Topic: Do you really believe gox has lost 740,000 BTC and has only 2,000 left? - page 4. (Read 8186 times)
February 25, 2014, 08:13:36 AM
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February 25, 2014, 07:59:21 AM
Just dropping this here:
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Brendan Support, Feb 15 08:37:
Dear Valued Customer,
Sorry for the inconvenience that have may caused. Our technical team is working hard to fix this issue and it will be fixed as soon as possible. All your BTC's are very safe and secured. Once the issue is fixed you will be able to initiate the BTC withdrawal and there is no time measure at this moment, we will be able to provide a clear picture soon.
We deeply apologize for the inconvenience caused, and thank you for your kind support and considerations.
Best regards,
MtGox Team
https://www.mtgox.com
Dear Valued Customer,
Sorry for the inconvenience that have may caused. Our technical team is working hard to fix this issue and it will be fixed as soon as possible. All your BTC's are very safe and secured. Once the issue is fixed you will be able to initiate the BTC withdrawal and there is no time measure at this moment, we will be able to provide a clear picture soon.
We deeply apologize for the inconvenience caused, and thank you for your kind support and considerations.
Best regards,
MtGox Team
https://www.mtgox.com
February 25, 2014, 07:21:57 AM
"The cold storage has been wiped out due to a leak in the hot wallet."
BULLSHIT ALERT
BULLSHIT ALERT
That made me wonder too.
How do paper wallets get wiped out unless their private keys are exposed to the internet?
I thought "cold storage" meant creating offline wallets.
February 25, 2014, 07:08:21 AM
"The cold storage has been wiped out due to a leak in the hot wallet."
BULLSHIT ALERT
BULLSHIT ALERT
That made me wonder too.
How do paper wallets get wiped out unless their private keys are exposed to the internet?
I thought "cold storage" meant creating offline wallets.
February 25, 2014, 06:46:03 AM
When there is an official look into this, legal or journalistic, we are very apt here in this forum to correct anything overlooked by authorities or reporters.
A German university do mass tracings of transactions (for research purposes) and there are now forensic tools to backtrack BTC's.
We will get to the bottom of the "whom stole which coins" part!
A German university do mass tracings of transactions (for research purposes) and there are now forensic tools to backtrack BTC's.
We will get to the bottom of the "whom stole which coins" part!
Exactly my thought.
Just read an article, not even completely incompetently written in general, on Forbes that more or less believes the "740k coin leak through hot wallet" bullshit explanation, and I got really depressed for a second.
But we're not idiots. Those bullshit excuses didn't work for pirate40, nor sheep marketplace owners, nor anyone else. And with Mark, at least his identity is know -- there's no way he's simply going to get away and sip margaritas on his own private island while his company still has liabilities in the range of a few hundred million.
I fully expect that the current events will spawn the, so far, biggest lawsuit in Bitcoin history.
February 25, 2014, 06:45:10 AM
This sounds really ridiculous. 2000BTC could not even cover 10% of the ask wall on gox. How could Mark not realize it far before the cold wallet becomes 0?
Indeed, the document is a hoax.
The fact that mtgox is dead meat does, however, appear to be true.
February 25, 2014, 06:41:08 AM
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At this point 744,408 BTC are missing due to malleability-related theft which went unnoticed for several years.
February 25, 2014, 06:36:05 AM
This is going to be one shitty week...
no, the shitty weeks are behind us...
Exactly, I actually feel a lot of relieve right now that MtGox is gone. I wish they could have fixed their shit instead but at least we have clarity now and the market can find a new equilibrium and move on.
Yeah but I feel bad for the people that lost their money....there are a lot of them you know.
After all the warning signs they got since June 2013, I feel they have had plenty of time to get out of there. So I really can't feel a whole lot of sympathy for them to be honest. But I don't think those still with funds stuck in Gox have lost it all, I've read and heard Gox got bought out and there are bigger parties involved now and they will insure that everyone will get back what they are owed.
I am one of those happy suckers
I will most probably lose about 25BTC
Why I didn't get out on time?
Well I used two exchanges one among those was gox. Although I knew that they have some problems, it was hard to imagine that company with longest experience in this business and operating on millions can simply disappear over night. Every time I was withdrawing money from them I had to wait so I was used to that as well. I was patient and forgiving.
To be specific I have made some withdrawals in november, first and second one arrived at begin of january , after that nothing. I started to loose my patience and finally I ordered to cancel my cash transfers one by one , than I started to buy bitcoin and withdraw them. This I started few days before they stop process withdrawals. As the result I get some of my bitcoins out, but more then half stuck there
February 25, 2014, 06:23:38 AM
I find it very hard to believe that a group of people could fail to notice that they were bleeding that many coins from cold storage. That said, not my problem, got my coins out of gox months ago.
February 25, 2014, 05:58:42 AM
where did you get this picture? this guy looks like mark! i think it's really him! oh..ok no worries we are saved!
February 25, 2014, 05:52:40 AM
February 25, 2014, 05:51:48 AM
banks ?
governments
If its governments or banks, great. If they made such a mistake, we'll be able to prove it. We'll put them in a pillory in a burning pit and nail Nietzsches eternal truth to their forehead:
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Aber der Staat lügt in allen Zungen des Guten und Bösen; und was er auch redet, er lügt – und was er auch hat, gestohlen hat er's.
Falsch ist Alles an ihm; mit gestohlenen Zähnen beisst er, der Bissige. Falsch sind selbst seine Eingeweide.
Falsch ist Alles an ihm; mit gestohlenen Zähnen beisst er, der Bissige. Falsch sind selbst seine Eingeweide.
February 25, 2014, 05:41:53 AM
These 'thieves' have probably silently been profiting from this MtGox exploit for years now, and I guess they wanted to keep it silent. No reason to think there are governments behind this, the incentives are all there for anyone to exploit this loophole once they find it and keep it silent as long as possible.
February 25, 2014, 05:39:18 AM
The document is utterly, without doubt, fake!
No clue about the real balances though.
No clue about the real balances though.
February 25, 2014, 05:37:49 AM
I don't understand why any hacker/scammer would attack gox to death like this. Their stash of stolen coins are all of a sudden worth a whole lot less! It's like when ghash.io was nearing 50% hash rate and everyone started worrying what they would do. Of course theyy would not attack their own primary source of income! Why would anyone that makes money from Bitcoin sabotage the network like that!?
right question: coi bono ?
banks ?
governments
alts ?
payment processors ?
goldbugs ?
February 25, 2014, 05:28:31 AM
I don't understand why any hacker/scammer would attack gox to death like this. Their stash of stolen coins are all of a sudden worth a whole lot less! It's like when ghash.io was nearing 50% hash rate and everyone started worrying what they would do. Of course theyy would not attack their own primary source of income! Why would anyone that makes money from Bitcoin sabotage the network like that!?
February 25, 2014, 05:25:35 AM
This is going to be one shitty week...
no, the shitty weeks are behind us...
Exactly, I actually feel a lot of relieve right now that MtGox is gone. I wish they could have fixed their shit instead but at least we have clarity now and the market can find a new equilibrium and move on.
Yeah but I feel bad for the people that lost their money....there are a lot of them you know.
After all the warning signs they got since June 2013, I feel they have had plenty of time to get out of there. So I really can't feel a whole lot of sympathy for them to be honest. But I don't think those still with funds stuck in Gox have lost it all, I've read and heard Gox got bought out and there are bigger parties involved now and they will insure that everyone will get back what they are owed.
February 25, 2014, 05:21:31 AM
This is going to be one shitty week...
no, the shitty weeks are behind us...
Exactly, I actually feel a lot of relieve right now that MtGox is gone. I wish they could have fixed their shit instead but at least we have clarity now and the market can find a new equilibrium and move on.
Yeah but I feel bad for the people that lost their money....there are a lot of them you know.
February 25, 2014, 05:17:27 AM
This is going to be one shitty week...
no, the shitty weeks are behind us...
Exactly, I actually feel a lot of relieve right now that MtGox is gone. I wish they could have fixed their shit instead but at least we have clarity now and the market can find a new equilibrium and move on.
February 25, 2014, 05:17:17 AM
This doc looks very fishy to me.
-Written from an outsider's perspective, but no mention of who wrote it, or for what purpose. Could just as well never have been used internally, but by a third party planning a takeover, assuming they had access to Gox data.
-Also arguing against internal Gox use is the writer saying Gox "deserves" to go bankrupt, general brutality.
-The claim of the cold wallets getting entirely wiped due to coin leakage seems very hard to credit. They would have had to manually empty the wallets, they're cold after all. I don't see how you accidentally lose *everything* in your cold wallet without realizing, when someone is manually transferring funds from said wallet.
-The CEO's apology draft - temp graphic of a scapegoat on the gox mountain? Really?
-Written from an outsider's perspective, but no mention of who wrote it, or for what purpose. Could just as well never have been used internally, but by a third party planning a takeover, assuming they had access to Gox data.
-Also arguing against internal Gox use is the writer saying Gox "deserves" to go bankrupt, general brutality.
-The claim of the cold wallets getting entirely wiped due to coin leakage seems very hard to credit. They would have had to manually empty the wallets, they're cold after all. I don't see how you accidentally lose *everything* in your cold wallet without realizing, when someone is manually transferring funds from said wallet.
-The CEO's apology draft - temp graphic of a scapegoat on the gox mountain? Really?
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