There are pretty shady, underground markets buying/selling organs on the black market in the fiat world so I see no reason why there shouldn't be a market for it involving bitcoin.
People can become desperate to make money & selling e.g. a kidney is their decision. There are obviously major risks involved doing this but as a consenting adult people should be able to do what they like.
There will also be people on transplant lists who need an organ quickly to save their lives so they may turn to black markets to get what they need quickly. This kind of thing will never be regulated in the fiat or bitcoin world but to the the OP - Yes I do want organs to be bought & sold using bitcoin. I answer the same for fiat too.
Topic: Do you want human body parts and organs to be bought & sold with Bitcoin? - page 3. (Read 6312 times)
September 06, 2015, 07:27:10 AM
September 06, 2015, 04:06:01 AM
NO!!! look , if the human body parts and organs will be bought,
using bitcoins. it will be so easy and very comfortable to some people.
especially the bad guys.
using bitcoins. it will be so easy and very comfortable to some people.
especially the bad guys.
So according to you, everyone who is suffering from an organ failure is a bad guy? Organ trading needs to be legalized, as not enough organs are being donated voluntarily. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying every year as a result of lack of donor organs. If organ trading allows at least some of them to live, then I am all in for it.
Laws making harvesting of body parts mandatory for accidental deaths would save a lot more people. Some people might get offended, but at least you won't have organized rackets coming up.
September 06, 2015, 03:12:53 AM
trade of illegal body parts for Bitcoins should be illegal.... right?
I disagree. In many places, trading kidneys is illegal but I honestly think that the trade should be made legal (regardless of the medium of exchange employed).
Will you consider buying a kidney from someone {legally} with consent... ? {Remember.. we not saying illegally}
Sure.
Still... illegal trading with or without Bitcoin is wrong
I disagree. To me: Illegal trading is illegal. Immoral trading is wrong. I don't think that illegal things are automatically wrong.
but the different scenarios have merit to do it legally. 
I believe so, but the only place I know of where it is legal to do this is Iran. For those that don't live in Iran the scenario you described simply don't apply. Coincidentally, Iran doesn't have a kidney shortage (so no waiting list) and basically all other countries do.
I wonder how many people here think that the people trading kidneys in Iran are doing evil. Perhaps trade sanctions should be imposed to encourage Iran to mend its wicked ways and implement kidney waiting lists.
September 06, 2015, 02:15:38 AM
Let's make it interesting... We all or rather let's say most of us agree... trade of illegal body parts for Bitcoins should be illegal.... right? ... The organ known for having the longest
waiting list, seems to be the Kidney. Most humans have two of them and can live with one of them. Let's say your child suffer from kidney problems and have to receive daily
dialysis, and have a low life expectancy.. say 1 year. Will you consider buying a kidney from someone {legally} with consent... ? {Remember.. we not saying illegally}
If you are faced by these kind of questions, most people will do anything to help their child or even themselves. Still... illegal trading with or without Bitcoin is wrong,
but the different scenarios have merit to do it legally.
waiting list, seems to be the Kidney. Most humans have two of them and can live with one of them. Let's say your child suffer from kidney problems and have to receive daily
dialysis, and have a low life expectancy.. say 1 year. Will you consider buying a kidney from someone {legally} with consent... ? {Remember.. we not saying illegally}
If you are faced by these kind of questions, most people will do anything to help their child or even themselves. Still... illegal trading with or without Bitcoin is wrong,
but the different scenarios have merit to do it legally.
September 06, 2015, 01:11:56 AM
So: say eventually I'd like to upgrade to bionic limbs. If there were a market for real limbs it could help offset the cost. Did I get the moral of this right? Seems harmless enough.
If I could get IOT enabled bionic legs that mine btc as I walk... Let's just say... "Hand me that skill saw!!!!"
September 06, 2015, 12:11:07 AM
NO!!! look , if the human body parts and organs will be bought,
using bitcoins. it will be so easy and very comfortable to some people.
especially the bad guys.
using bitcoins. it will be so easy and very comfortable to some people.
especially the bad guys.
So according to you, everyone who is suffering from an organ failure is a bad guy? Organ trading needs to be legalized, as not enough organs are being donated voluntarily. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying every year as a result of lack of donor organs. If organ trading allows at least some of them to live, then I am all in for it.
September 05, 2015, 07:54:25 PM
NO!!! look , if the human body parts and organs will be bought,
using bitcoins. it will be so easy and very comfortable to some people.
especially the bad guys. and this will be not so good.
maybe after that happen anyone and whoever wants to sell or buy body parts
and organ will just freely buy here. this will put negativity to bitcoins and it industry.
using bitcoins. it will be so easy and very comfortable to some people.
especially the bad guys. and this will be not so good.
maybe after that happen anyone and whoever wants to sell or buy body parts
and organ will just freely buy here. this will put negativity to bitcoins and it industry.
September 05, 2015, 07:46:58 PM
Let's see, do I want human body parts to be traded like used auto parts in any currency.
September 05, 2015, 06:37:00 PM
If all of us become organ donors and no patient agrees to buy one, the black market will disappear and the timeframe for a transplantation would be very good.
A world full of consenting organ donors is an ideal we can work towards, unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon.
This is wishful thinking. Burying our heads in sand does not make murder go away.
September 05, 2015, 04:46:59 PM
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How would you feel if someone kidnapped your child or wife and after slaughter sold their organs piece by piece for profit and you never find a trace of the corpse of your beloved one?
Also many times the black market dealers to overcome the morale objections of the patient present to him a fake story like "Samuel" and sell to him the organs of a killed innocent victim instead.
If all of us become organ donors and no patient agrees to buy one, the black market will disappear and the timeframe for a transplantation would be very good.
EDIT: Also i don't want to strengthen the accusation that the bitcoin is a means to support illegal activities.
I wouldn't like it very much at all....don't think anyone in their right mind would.
A world full of consenting organ donors is an ideal we can work towards, unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon.
September 05, 2015, 02:20:47 PM
no way man..i think this is horrible ...and those man who do this must must get in the prison..i understand when you die and other people need ..but you die anyway so that is something else
September 05, 2015, 02:17:11 PM
NO.
Human body parts and organs should be donated only.
IMHO poor fellows that are in a waiting list for an organ transplantation must have a chance to survive.
EDIT: Also to stop this kind of sell activities that promote criminality, like kidnapping of inocent people that they will be killed in order to sell their organs in black market, a patient that needs an organ transplantation should not try to buy one. By buying an organ to save your life you condemn another innocent person to death. The selling or buying of organs is immoral, doesn't promote the spirit of humanity and is illegal in many countries.
Human body parts and organs should be donated only.
IMHO poor fellows that are in a waiting list for an organ transplantation must have a chance to survive.
EDIT: Also to stop this kind of sell activities that promote criminality, like kidnapping of inocent people that they will be killed in order to sell their organs in black market, a patient that needs an organ transplantation should not try to buy one. By buying an organ to save your life you condemn another innocent person to death. The selling or buying of organs is immoral, doesn't promote the spirit of humanity and is illegal in many countries.
Hypothetical situation.
Your wife or your child needs a vital organ replacement and has been given 24hrs to live. With a donation only system there would be less chance of a matching replacement being found within the timeframe.
Now I find the whole organ harvesting thing as ghoulish as anyone but when it comes to my family I can't be a saint. We all want life. 😇
How would you feel if someone kidnapped your child or wife and after slaughter sold their organs piece by piece for profit and you never find a trace of the corpse of your beloved one?
Also many times the black market dealers to overcome the morale objections of the patient present to him a fake story like "Samuel" and sell to him the organs of a killed innocent victim instead.
If all of us become organ donors and no patient agrees to buy one, the black market will disappear and the timeframe for a transplantation would be very good.
EDIT: Also i don't want to strengthen the accusation that the bitcoin is a means to support illegal activities.
September 05, 2015, 12:44:54 PM
If you cannot buy organ parts with Bitcoin, strictly speaking it would not be a currency..... because you should be able to buy anything with Bitcoin that you can buy with any
other currency. Would it be good for the community if it is associated with illegal trade of body parts... most certainly YES... and we do not want that. On the other hand, if you
could pay with Bitcoin for legal organ transplant ... Why not?
other currency. Would it be good for the community if it is associated with illegal trade of body parts... most certainly YES... and we do not want that. On the other hand, if you
could pay with Bitcoin for legal organ transplant ... Why not?
September 05, 2015, 12:14:24 PM
Supposedly its already happening.
https://youtu.be/DaXn8uR9Ybg?t=5m27s
WARNING: Only watch this video if you don't mind feeling disturbed for the rest of the day!
So much could go wrong that this is a niche of business that I would absolutely want regulated.
https://youtu.be/DaXn8uR9Ybg?t=5m27s
WARNING: Only watch this video if you don't mind feeling disturbed for the rest of the day!
So much could go wrong that this is a niche of business that I would absolutely want regulated.
September 05, 2015, 11:40:24 AM
I think they should be donated, but not sold. When money enters the equation, there always appear people to get it the criminal way. Also, getting crime out of the possibilites, the organs would go to those who have more money. It is not right, as something so valueble should be a gift. You cannot really pay for it.
September 05, 2015, 11:28:55 AM
If it is done the right way as you stated 'legit docs and market places etc, I believe it should be allowed with Bitcoin of course. But, money/bitcoin will soon corrupt shady docs and markets working together on some dodgy schemes/scams would soon show their ugly self.
September 05, 2015, 11:13:22 AM
Isn't body organ selling illegal in some countries? I don't want such organs to be sold nor bought with bitcoin
September 05, 2015, 11:12:43 AM
I want anything I can do with fiat to be able to be done with bitcoin, regardless of the item, because that means I still have freedom with my money.
September 05, 2015, 11:01:06 AM
NO.
Human body parts and organs should be donated only.
IMHO poor fellows that are in a waiting list for an organ transplantation must have a chance to survive.
EDIT: Also to stop this kind of sell activities that promote criminality, like kidnapping of inocent people that they will be killed in order to sell their organs in black market, a patient that needs an organ transplantation should not try to buy one. By buying an organ to save your life you condemn another innocent person to death. The selling or buying of organs is immoral, doesn't promote the spirit of humanity and is illegal in many countries.
Human body parts and organs should be donated only.
IMHO poor fellows that are in a waiting list for an organ transplantation must have a chance to survive.
EDIT: Also to stop this kind of sell activities that promote criminality, like kidnapping of inocent people that they will be killed in order to sell their organs in black market, a patient that needs an organ transplantation should not try to buy one. By buying an organ to save your life you condemn another innocent person to death. The selling or buying of organs is immoral, doesn't promote the spirit of humanity and is illegal in many countries.
Hypothetical situation.
Your wife or your child needs a vital organ replacement and has been given 24hrs to live. With a donation only system there would be less chance of a matching replacement being found within the timeframe.
Now I find the whole organ harvesting thing as ghoulish as anyone but when it comes to my family I can't be a saint. We all want life. 😇
September 05, 2015, 10:51:46 AM
No it should not be used to buy human body parts.
BTW you should also have added a poll to your post too, it would have been convenient for us to see the results.
BTW you should also have added a poll to your post too, it would have been convenient for us to see the results.
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