Topic: Does Anyone Else Believe In Jesus Christ ? - page 16. (Read 18077 times)

Does making fun of the beliefs of others make you better?  Or worse?

How safe will you feel when you are standing in front of Jesus on the throne trying to explain why it was OK to mock his followers for decades?

Hope you're right that Christianity is wrong...

Here it is from Revelation:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2013:16-18&version=NIV

It could be a 1968 Camaro with flames on the side...

This was in response to religious leaders wanting him to perform miracles at their whim:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matt%2016&version=NIV

He pointed out that if someone refuses to accept miracles outright, there is no point in performing more of them.  If you are resistant to the idea of an all-powerful God that can bend time, space and physics to His will on occasion, then there is no point in continuing to try to convince you about Jesus, you are already convinced.

Well, then you may want to read The Case for Christ.  It was written by a journalist attempting to disprove that Jesus was who he said he was using the types of methods he used to find truth from eyewitnesses and reports about news stories:

http://www.amazon.com/Case-Christ-Journalists-Investigation-ebook/dp/B000FC2KEM/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1383148637&sr=8-5&keywords=evidence+demands+a+verdict

There are "impossible" events in the Bible for sure.  A few examples: the parting of the red sea, the virgin birth, the fact that Jesus rose again.  All of this is a mystery and it takes Faith.  We can use logic to deduce that there is evidence in the world that supports Christianity and that Jesus really did live.  There is plenty of historical evidence that lends credence to the Bible if one really wants to study it.  But miracles are just that- Miracles.  I will not try to argue that it is difficult for someone logical and intelligent to believe but this is why the Bible says, "I tell you the truth, anyone who doesn't receive the Kingdom of God like a child will never enter it."  

I believe.

My proof of existence of Christ: If there was nobody like Christ, why there is so much noise about his deal ??

Yes, we leave the discussion of what is a "true Christian" to be made between them.

As far as I know, if someone says "I'm a Christian" he his a Christian...

Typically an athiest will look at something like a creed of christianity, and note the various impossible events therein which one is asked to believe in - that will be how he frames the argument as to what a christian is, rather than looking at the introspective tests as you've mentioned.

How do you respond to that?

The road is narrow and many so called "Christians" are not even walking on the road even though they think they are.

Just because someone says that they are "Christian" does not mean that they are.  Many will say "Lord I did all these things in Your name and He will say, depart from me you evil doers I never knew you."

To be a true Christians requires much more than just joining a "club" or attending religious services.  It is about a change of heart, so that we know Jesus in an intimate way and want to serve Him wholeheartedly in everything we do and we become changed from the inside out.  The way you can really test to see if someone is a Christian or not is by the "fruit" in their life.  Are they loving, kind, gentle, patient, slow to anger?  These sorts of things are the "fruit" that the Bible talks about and that you will know a "tree by it's fruit."

And we wonder why Christians are not liked? 

I bellive and i dont give a fuck for thoose who doesent

What I think she's implying, which you would likely agree with ... is that not many Christians have it figured out....

Wrong!!!

There are like 2 billion Christians in the planet, not a "narrow" road, when I was born there was something like 95% Christian population in my country, now there are 80%, how the fuck is that narrow?


There were quite a few Christs at the time, I suppose it was good business to be a messiah, and yes the apostles were persecuted by Paul, and then he became Christian too, but this was after Jesus death.

nah, never heard of him. Is he selling some godspeed ASICs or hashing on his own?

True, there is nothing wrong with good old pagan traditions as long as we understand that they are such.

I just wish we could look forward.

I don't think Jesus wanted us to become frozen in time. He would have wanted us to build temples to other great men. And challenge other great systems. And understand oppression.

Honestly, Christianity was a more valuable religion when they had it in the lion pits. We have passionate Christians today, but they do not know what the word oppression really means. And I know that statement is over-general, but I mean to say that it is more widespread within the faith than it should be.

The Jewish community understands oppression. Understands austerity. Understands what it means to be auspicious. The Christian churches just try to get bigger and bigger and bigger.

I am not TRYING to compare the two, I just naturally do. But you can see the difference. The Jewish community is supportive in a much larger way than the standard Christian families (especially in the cities, where Christians lack structure that is not completely centered around economy).

Like, compare the acceptance of Hebrew people around the world, compared to the acceptance of Free Masons (mainly protestant and sometimes even Mormon members). And Free Masons don't have a history of murder for god and conquering everything they see (unless you automatically tie them to the Templars, which some people say you can. And unless you consider the current priorities of the US gov).

Do you make any other sorts of decisions in your life that way? Do you ever close your eyes at a stop light and use your heart to "feel" what color the light is? If you ever use your heart to "feel" whether or not food is expired instead of looking at the expiration label? If this is such a reliable method for separating what is true from what is false than why dont you use your heart to "feel" what stocks you should buy and become rich on the stock market? My guess is that you only use this tactic in situations where the negative consequences for being wrong are not immediate and not severe, but if it is such a reliable tactic than you should also apply it to situations where consequences are immediate and are severe as well. if you are not willing to use this tactic in situations where consequences are immediate and severe than perhaps you should consider admitting that it is in fact not a reliable way of separating fact from fiction.

Of course, I don't think people celebrate that he died but what legacy he left behind him.