Does anyone pay for slandering gambling websites on Bitcointalk? - page 2.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on March 10, 2020, 09:53:54 PM

what to expect from Jealous sites?specially if the other site offers almost the same or much better than what they can give?
because the way i see it is these so called "Newbies" seems like very knowledgeable about every single things about gambling operation and looks like alt account created just to make this noise?
so for me yes i believe either these are paid to slander or they are part of the team that is affected by the presence of the accused gambling site.

I agree with you because even if the newbie is making a scam report how come they visit the right section in the forum and make a correct formatted accusation against the casino? This tend of knowledgeable newbie always makes me wonder whether they are old members of forum just making behind a newbie. But, all that said since those newbie cannot prove the casino is a scam how does it even mater?

I mean because they are paid puppets they will only create a thread and later can't prove anything and they stop bashing the casino.

There must be some sort of rule that to create a scam accusation you must deposit maybe 0.001 btc and if you prove your claims you get it back else they are donated to the person being accused.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

We can't completely deny the fact that competitors does pay other users to try and destroy the reputation of a casino. That is why sometimes you will see a newbie user making a fake account and accusing the casino for scamming them without any strong proof.
Again, there are users that get really triggered or mad because they lost a good amount of coins on a casino. Thus, they end up making multiple fake accounts and start accusing the casino of scamming them. They even make fake reviews everywhere.

That is true but the nature of the person doing the slandering is different, if a person losses a lot of money in a casino, even if it was done legitimately, you can still understand their frustration and even if what they are doing is not right you will give them a pass and maybe even advice them to not gamble with money they cannot afford to lose, but if someone is doing this because they are being paid to do so that is completely different since they are showing they will do anything for money and that is a person that is not to be trusted in my eyes.

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I think it is normal to see someone slander the other gambling website because that person wants to give a bad name to that gambling site. We can see what was happening in real life, which many cases occur as what the OP said. They do that such thing because they want to see their rival lost their member, and they also lose the reputations. But if the gambling site can defend their website from the slander, I think nothing will happen to that site because their member still trusts them.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

If they pay to newbies to slander the trusted sites, they are wasting their money. No one can slander any trusted gambling site reputation and no one will believe anything without proof. You can pay someone to say bad words about them but you cannot have fake proofs. These attempts by the competitors are not worth and they should focus on increasing their own service levels.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

We can't completely deny the fact that competitors does pay other users to try and destroy the reputation of a casino. That is why sometimes you will see a newbie user making a fake account and accusing the casino for scamming them without any strong proof.
Again, there are users that get really triggered or mad because they lost a good amount of coins on a casino. Thus, they end up making multiple fake accounts and start accusing the casino of scamming them. They even make fake reviews everywhere.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

We cannot tell but that is very possible. Other sites might be too jealous of what others have achieved that they badly need to employ below-the-belt tactics. But I don't think this will do them good. At the end of the day, the gamblers will stick to where they have had the most fun and convenient experiences. If these sites are really determined to rise to the top, they should rather be developing their own site well rather than focus their money and effort to destroying other sites.

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Quote from: Meowth05 on March 14, 2020, 06:28:23 AM

I agree with what he said but I don't think there are people that pay for slandering because this forum is just a part of vast sea of World Wide Web. It is the same as the trolls that flame other people. One thing that a slandered website can do would be to prove that they are trustworthy and that they have a solid reputation, this thing sometimes outweighs the slandering.

In terms of competition of businesses, I think there are some events that led to someone paying for scandalous type of comment in a certain business. In life, I'm sure we have those moments where we think negatively of a certain business and some even giving feedback for a negative experience. Maybe you could easily pay someone BTC just to put negative comments but it won't stick if the reputation is great, right? Just like you said.

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I don't think that there would be some people who would waste their money to pay anyone for slandering some website.
I don't see the point on it and also I don't see what would they gain from doing it.

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Quote from: ReiMomo on March 11, 2020, 11:41:16 AM

Maybe there is but I dont think so what benefits they get on this slandering and destroy other gambling platforms just because of their business. But it is hard to prove if they dont have evidence once newbie asking support without exact valid proof. Most of the issues like that will not entertain others once you have a lack of support as proof. As I noticed is that regarding withdrawal and bug issues.

But, when you hear there is an scam accusation being made against a specific casino then it actually creates a doubt in your mind whether I should gamble or just choose another one. This is the main reason why it might be true that some casinos that are new to market pay guys to slam bigger casinos to attract a part of their audience and gamblers.

Still that said, these slandering attempts also do some free marketing for the alleged casino as the name is spread among the market and more people come to know about the casino, for example there are users who don't visit the gambling section and they will get to know about such casinos and once the casino comes clean they actually get more free advertising.

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Quote from: crwth on March 10, 2020, 03:53:04 AM

Since it is easy with regards to creating an account here in Bitcointalk, it's safe to say that almost "ANYONE" could create an account. Making a statement to a rival gambling website is easy. It's the people who would take it either real or fake. I think it would be trustworthy (even if it's a newbie account) if it's accompanied by the list below.

I agree with what he said but I don't think there are people that pay for slandering because this forum is just a part of vast sea of World Wide Web. It is the same as the trolls that flame other people. One thing that a slandered website can do would be to prove that they are trustworthy and that they have a solid reputation, this thing sometimes outweighs the slandering.

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I am pretty sure there are times when this was done but I am not entirely convinced that it is a common thing.

What I mean is, there must have been many cases that people paid others to slander other casinos because that would be great for any other casino, think about it in crypto world money is not something you can prove that is yours and call back, when your bank account gets emptied you can sue the bank for negligence and get your money back, however in crypto if your money is gone it is gone, so if you tell others that a casino is denying to give you your winnings, it would basically be a huge risk for that casino, hell there must have been people who have given negative trusts as well I am sure.

However, I just doubt its common, it must be rare thing.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.

I sometimes see such kind of scenarios more particularly on the Reputation/Scam Accusations section but I never think that they intentionally do it simply because they are the one who complain so I presume that they are the victim. When it comes to talk of using newbie accounts, my opinion about that is this they only use such accounts in order to protect their own security or at least their btctalk account. In short, they are only playing safe IMO

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Hmm if slandering websites is really a new trend of earning from doing shady stuff then this is scary definitely. Fake news greatly affect the image of a certain site. Whether the accusations are hoax or proven right, the fear has been scattered already and sooner or later it will cause for disaster on behalf of the founder and its developers. I just hope this kind of modus are not true at all Sad

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on March 12, 2020, 12:45:21 AM

Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

I have seen so many newbie accounts on common gambling website post doing the same. Some also posted on the Gambling thread about few famous website being scams. It all depends on whether you have used those platforms and have there been any issues that were not solved. I would never believe them untill I have verified the facts myself.

Report them to the DT members and they will be painted with red tag, that's the way to make the community aware that such account are just made to destroy certain site/s reputation. We can see this, actually not only in gambling sites, even in altcoins, there are those who shill and there are those who destroy, different people and good thing we have a good trust system in the forum.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

Obviously yes, as a frequent visitor to reputation and scam accusation board, sometimes when I read some accusations towards specific gambling site, without much investigate you'll notice the accusations are been forged. Mostly the rank engaging in this acts are newly created account then their main account of the accomplice are used to support their claims.

Things like this happens in the business world outside the forum therefore the forum can't be excepted, it's considered a dirty business strategy to win over their competitors by painting them (their reputation) bad.

Indeed you're right. When money is involved, a lot can happen just like how businessess hires advertisers to promote their product, while on the other hand their competeting oponent might hire people to slander their oponent. Well even though its true sometimes we need to have facts and evidences before we can accuse someone whether they are hired to criticize or not.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

Obviously yes, as a frequent visitor to reputation and scam accusation board, sometimes when I read some accusations towards specific gambling site, without much investigate you'll notice the accusations are been forged. Mostly the rank engaging in this acts are newly created account then their main account of the accomplice are used to support their claims.

Things like this happens in the business world outside the forum therefore the forum can't be excepted, it's considered a dirty business strategy to win over their competitors by painting them (their reputation) bad.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

I have seen so many newbie accounts on common gambling website post doing the same. Some also posted on the Gambling thread about few famous website being scams. It all depends on whether you have used those platforms and have there been any issues that were not solved. I would never believe them untill I have verified the facts myself.

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Maybe there is but I dont think so what benefits they get on this slandering and destroy other gambling platforms just because of their business. But it is hard to prove if they dont have evidence once newbie asking support without exact valid proof. Most of the issues like that will not entertain others once you have a lack of support as proof. As I noticed is that regarding withdrawal and bug issues.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

In the past I have seen similar complains with icos in which the developers of some projects saw their threads being full of newbies saying bad things about their project and they believed this was due to a competing project sending those people their way, however pay no attention to them if it happens an accusation only holds any ground if the person making the accusation presents evidence to back up their claims, and if a person does present evidence then his rank does not matter at all if he is telling the truth.

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There is much Thread here in the forum that is surely just slandering people you can surely check it by checking the site if it's legit you can always look for a review if the sire is a scam or not, I have seen many threads here that are only just a copy-paste of the previews ones that would lead to phishing other users in the forum we should be cautious of the URL link that we are clicking, Don't click it and make a research first or ask somebody in the forum about it there are still many people in the forum that are willing to help in their small ways.

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Quote from: leea-1334 on March 11, 2020, 05:01:54 AM

Quote from: DarkDays on March 10, 2020, 06:17:50 PM

Do you really think that anybody who pays other people to slander websites on here would outright admit it?

Wouldn't that completely undermine their agenda? Similarly, do you think that somebody paid to slander somebody else would admit that and then oust their client.... Obviously not.

The truth is there are almost certainly some companies on here that employ people to slander their main competitors. However, I wouldn't expect they would hire outside agencies to do this, since it's quite possible it could get leaked.

The best way to find out whether or not this occurs is by approaching all the different companies and see if they'll take you up on an offer to bash their competitors—I doubt many will.

Yes,,, this is quite normal practice even in normal business. I see sometimes accounts not just on this forum but on local forums in my country. You can see them on Expedia sometimes for example, a sudden army of people giving ridiculously bad reviews and checking all their history it is no proof, no pics, just words.

We have shills and we have trolls.

That is fierce competition in the gambling business so there must be a group of newbie accounts that will continue to attack and spread bad news with their words so they cannot prove clear evidence of what they really want.
What is clear if there is a gambling site that is famous there will be a rival from them so they always want to drop even give a bad reputation, of course I do not care about it where I am comfortable with the gambling site then I think it's safe

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