Does anyone pay for slandering gambling websites on Bitcointalk? - page 3.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

That's possible but we have a smart community here, though we can see a lot of newbies destroying the reputation of a certain gambling sites, but without evidence, that's just an empty accusation, and of course no gamblers would believe on that especially if we have an experience on the site. In this tight competition in the gambling space, you can't expect a fair fight from other gambling sites, one site wants to be on the top over the other, that's the reality.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.

I often see dramas like that, the aim of a beginner to bring down his rival in gambling, in the world of gambling anything can happen unexpectedly, competition on gambling sites often occurs.

OP If you find a gambling site your trust is slandered and you come in with evidence that it is a lie, that's a good step for you to do and don't forget to report it to the mod.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 10, 2020, 04:29:05 PM

We as users have the ability to understand if such claims are true or not just by reading the arguments and heated discussions of both parties. If you don't mind, can I have those example threads that you think those newbie accounts sounds very trustworthy on their complaints?

I think malubit's ann thread is one example you could check since i've read one of their posts about getting attacked by several new accounts.

Another case is kawbet but I don't think it counts because they only mentioned what was seen on the site and it'll be like a psa instead of an attack.

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Quote from: leea-1334 on March 11, 2020, 05:01:54 AM

Yes,,, this is quite normal practice even in normal business. I see sometimes accounts not just on this forum but on local forums in my country. You can see them on Expedia sometimes for example, a sudden army of people giving ridiculously bad reviews and checking all their history it is no proof, no pics, just words.

We have shills and we have trolls.

It's called nowadays guerrilla marketing. Praise "your" product, thrash the competition, on all online channels possible. Some do it in a subtle way, some do it blatantly and without any support or proof.
I guess that some are better or worse qualified for such jobs Cheesy

And yes, there are shills and tolls doing the job for pennies, for free or for their own amusement.

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Quote from: DarkDays on March 10, 2020, 06:17:50 PM

Do you really think that anybody who pays other people to slander websites on here would outright admit it?

Wouldn't that completely undermine their agenda? Similarly, do you think that somebody paid to slander somebody else would admit that and then oust their client.... Obviously not.

The truth is there are almost certainly some companies on here that employ people to slander their main competitors. However, I wouldn't expect they would hire outside agencies to do this, since it's quite possible it could get leaked.

The best way to find out whether or not this occurs is by approaching all the different companies and see if they'll take you up on an offer to bash their competitors—I doubt many will.

Yes,,, this is quite normal practice even in normal business. I see sometimes accounts not just on this forum but on local forums in my country. You can see them on Expedia sometimes for example, a sudden army of people giving ridiculously bad reviews and checking all their history it is no proof, no pics, just words.

We have shills and we have trolls.

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It is just normal to see something like this since the forum is open and everyone can make their own account. A competitor will try everything they could to make their casino gain such publicity but they should have a legitimate evidence for their source of allegations to be verified by the gamblers/people. So far I haven't seen a legendary/hero account who's slandering a website without any proof.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

Since forum allow us to create multiple accounts either they pay or not still they could slandering to their competitors by creating multiple accounts. Perhaps there is contractors for slandering on off site like fiverr and they might hire. But surprisingly slandering by newbie accounts has been increasing now a days. Most likely competitors targeting each others which is really shady attempt.

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No gambling site is going to risk being permanently banned for slander (but if you venture into the Reputation section you will see slander is the number one contact sport there). Having said that the very fact that it's newbies and not Hero/Legendary accounts doing the slander is a tell tale sign that it's either a gambler that's lost out big time, or, the competition wanting to spread FUD.

The only ones likely to be banned first are the shill/sock-puppet accounts, hence the newbies.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 10, 2020, 04:29:05 PM

Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

I see nothing wrong for those newbie accounts to have a complaint against a site as long as they backed it up properly, explained it clearly and well-detailed, and able to show some valid evidence.

I also don't think that site owners will pay to crash the other site's credibility here in the forum's gambling section although, in the real world, this kind of activity really happens.

We as users have the ability to understand if such claims are true or not just by reading the arguments and heated discussions of both parties. If you don't mind, can I have those example threads that you think those newbie accounts sounds very trustworthy on their complaints?

Although that's really happening and we have nothing to do if that's what they want. But destroying other website's legitimacy and good image will not help you to become more successful. Some are just creating an alternate accounts here in bitcointalk so that they are anonymous in slandering other gambling websites. It is some sort of competition and not all gambling website owners are expecting that because all they want to do is to have some good reviews about their website.

We can see if the slander is true or not based on the feedback and reviews of the website, if the comments are really persuasive and legit then they are warning us not to used that site. But if it is opposite to his claim that the website is trash then that is slandering. It still depends if the account is verifiable and a certified gambling critique that will give us a reliable in formation to believe in.

i like it more when you said you cant be succesful when you destroy someone else image . that is true , instead you will only get a bad karma due to your bad deeds .

sure you can expect to earn on first few weeks after you succesfully done your evil plan but later on you will notice that all of your costumers will leaving or will winning . and the ones that you have done bad will soon recover and they will become succesful . so please be good guys even to your enemies .

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 10, 2020, 04:29:05 PM

Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

I see nothing wrong for those newbie accounts to have a complaint against a site as long as they backed it up properly, explained it clearly and well-detailed, and able to show some valid evidence.

I also don't think that site owners will pay to crash the other site's credibility here in the forum's gambling section although, in the real world, this kind of activity really happens.

We as users have the ability to understand if such claims are true or not just by reading the arguments and heated discussions of both parties. If you don't mind, can I have those example threads that you think those newbie accounts sounds very trustworthy on their complaints?

Although that's really happening and we have nothing to do if that's what they want. But destroying other website's legitimacy and good image will not help you to become more successful. Some are just creating an alternate accounts here in bitcointalk so that they are anonymous in slandering other gambling websites. It is some sort of competition and not all gambling website owners are expecting that because all they want to do is to have some good reviews about their website.

We can see if the slander is true or not based on the feedback and reviews of the website, if the comments are really persuasive and legit then they are warning us not to used that site. But if it is opposite to his claim that the website is trash then that is slandering. It still depends if the account is verifiable and a certified gambling critique that will give us a reliable in formation to believe in.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

It is all about evidences and proofs that should be beyond doubt. Otherwise, such accusations should be disregarded as shady and cheap attempts to bring down a a gambling website. It may be out of jealousy or competition but it does not matter. Such strategy, if it could be considered as such, should not be acceptable.

An accusation should not be taken or appreciated the way it is presented even if it sounds trustworthy. It should all boil down to hard facts complete with the tiniest detail. Either a show of these or everything is pure garbage.

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what to expect from Jealous sites?specially if the other site offers almost the same or much better than what they can give?
because the way i see it is these so called "Newbies" seems like very knowledgeable about every single things about gambling operation and looks like alt account created just to make this noise?
so for me yes i believe either these are paid to slander or they are part of the team that is affected by the presence of the accused gambling site.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

I don't know, and I never think like that. If the newbie account tries to slander the gambling site, which has a reputation, people will know if that story is real or not. People will give their opinion, or some people can be a bridge between that "Newbie" to the gambling site, so if there is a problem, the gambling site can solve it right away.

We don't know for sure because we are not in their management, and we don't know what their plan to grow their website. But that could be true since the gambling website wants to get the reputations among the gambler, but I hope that there is no slander.

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Do you really think that anybody who pays other people to slander websites on here would outright admit it?

Wouldn't that completely undermine their agenda? Similarly, do you think that somebody paid to slander somebody else would admit that and then oust their client.... Obviously not.

The truth is there are almost certainly some companies on here that employ people to slander their main competitors. However, I wouldn't expect they would hire outside agencies to do this, since it's quite possible it could get leaked.

The best way to find out whether or not this occurs is by approaching all the different companies and see if they'll take you up on an offer to bash their competitors—I doubt many will.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

I think it's their ways of promoting newly established gambling sites, that why having trustworthy thoughts had been circulating all over the forum. That might sounded strange when we don't have interest on some of those gambling sites. However, if someone slanders here I guess it's beyond our control because everyone can pay enough money just to make their gambling site popular.

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Quote from: crwth on March 10, 2020, 03:53:04 AM

Since it is easy with regards to creating an account here in Bitcointalk, it's safe to say that almost "ANYONE" could create an account. Making a statement to a rival gambling website is easy. It's the people who would take it either real or fake. I think it would be trustworthy (even if it's a newbie account) if it's accompanied by the list below.

Facts with verifiable source/evidence
Unbiased view of the situation
The timestamp should agree with the events

Mostly, I think that's it. Maybe other members could add as well.

Or this newbie account has an older account in the forum but he doesn't want to get involved in this battle. So even if it is a newbie account, one can verify the authenticity of the complaint by assessing what he presented as crwth already mentioned above. And if someone debate about the given complaint, he is consistent of what he is saying and can always provide snapshots to further support his allegations.
Because if he just wants to tarnish the image of that gambling sites, it will show and easy to spot on.

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It's a quite easy task to do this and any online casino owner may have interest in slandering a competitor for their own good.

I doubt there's anyone paying someone to do it though.. Unless there is a huge loss a company is suffering from and they need to take desperate measures. But falsely accusing and slandering someone here is going to fall short and, thanks to our great members here, the owner of the account slandering the respective business may even be identified.

Therefore, this might be a bad path to go for. If you want to have advantage in front of other competitors, slandering them on a forum won't do much. Moreover, in the end it could cause even more harm.

If a business wants advantage, they need to come up with better marketing and maybe implement some innovative systems and/or games.. or update their UI for a better customer experience.

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Quote from: longyenthanh on March 10, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

I see nothing wrong for those newbie accounts to have a complaint against a site as long as they backed it up properly, explained it clearly and well-detailed, and able to show some valid evidence.

I also don't think that site owners will pay to crash the other site's credibility here in the forum's gambling section although, in the real world, this kind of activity really happens.

We as users have the ability to understand if such claims are true or not just by reading the arguments and heated discussions of both parties. If you don't mind, can I have those example threads that you think those newbie accounts sounds very trustworthy on their complaints?

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Absolutely, and it's even possible that higher-ranked members are being paid to slander other sites. That's just how it'll be as long as Bitcointalk exists, though most of the time one strategy I use to avoid potential fake slander is to only read reviews from higher-ranked members and posts from older accounts as well. That doesn't mean I completely disregard newbie posts, though, because newbie members are sometimes the first to get the news out about some situations.

Most of the larger casinos on this forum also go out of their way to respond to any scam reports or just negative feedbacks made from this forum as well, and it's sometimes the case that some of the negative comments end up being completely unfounded.

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If the claims of a newbie have got enough proof to show us that the website is acting shady and/or has scammed/will scam their users/any jackpot related issues, bugs on the website, payment issues, etc. and after verifying the given information, if found true, then I believe that such newbie should be considered trustworthy based on accurate information being shared. I don't think anyone would pay a newbie or even a review writer to write something bad against their competitor here as they can easily purchase a copper membership and post anything (from content to images and much more) and present it in a fancy way and due to that, some may even believe them due to the show off they'll do here, but smart guys will go, research a lot before coming to any conclusion and if that newbie is found guilty instead, will tag him for his misleading tactics.

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