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July 26, 2017, 11:41:57 PM
In my opinion do not need an ATM, the cost to buy a machine and ATM care is very expensive, who will pay it? Even if it exists only in some special places, it is unlikely that bitcoin ATMs exist in every village, so bitcoin ATMs should not be a top priority
In whole thread i found your point is valid . Who will take care about ATM machine expenses ??. Here is my suggestion there is lots of exchange wallet in each country they can maintain machine if they are having proper plan and then they can charge small amount for transaction.

The fee for installing ATMs in countries is not a problem, the duration of bitcoin transactions is too long; it's a problem for an ATM, it needs speed in seconds, but bitcoin can not do that.
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Blackjack.fun
June 26, 2017, 08:52:24 AM
Yes, I need it very Badly. I can't make it cash. If Bitcoin provides ATM service it will be very helpful for me and others like me.

You need very badly something you don't have a clue how it works.
It is impossible for "bitcoin" to provide such service.
Bitcoin is a currency is a bunch of lines of code.
Bitcoin can't build atms juts like the usd can't build airplanes.

And why do you need it that badly?


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June 25, 2017, 06:15:52 AM
Yes, I need it very Badly. I can't make it cash. If Bitcoin provides ATM service it will be very helpful for me and others like me.
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June 25, 2017, 06:11:41 AM
bitcoin atms require a lot of attention to keep running. You need to make sure it has enough cash for people selling and enough bitcoin for people buying. You need to physically visit the machine every now and then to make sure it's still working properly before you can withdraw cash. Frankly it is easier withdrawing with with the trusted debit cards like Bitpay, If I use an Atm, it will be for buying coins.
Yes bitcoin ATM we must need in every country it is easy to withdraw and no risk. I heard that in some countries it is available, but in my country still, it not came. Once it comes, I will stop other wallets to withdraw my money. I use the only debit card to withdraw my money the charge is bit high, but still it's ok it is instant cash we don't need to wait for any confirmation and the exchanges will send money only in bank hours we can cut this time and get money instantly.

Yes it is available already in other country and here in my country still not available .  And perhaps it will take time before here in our country will have a btc atm.  I still wish we have it sooner but bitcoin is not yet that well recognized here in our country.
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June 25, 2017, 06:06:19 AM
bitcoin atms require a lot of attention to keep running. You need to make sure it has enough cash for people selling and enough bitcoin for people buying. You need to physically visit the machine every now and then to make sure it's still working properly before you can withdraw cash. Frankly it is easier withdrawing with with the trusted debit cards like Bitpay, If I use an Atm, it will be for buying coins.
Yes bitcoin ATM we must need in every country it is easy to withdraw and no risk. I heard that in some countries it is available, but in my country still, it not came. Once it comes, I will stop other wallets to withdraw my money. I use the only debit card to withdraw my money the charge is bit high, but still it's ok it is instant cash we don't need to wait for any confirmation and the exchanges will send money only in bank hours we can cut this time and get money instantly.
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June 25, 2017, 05:51:00 AM
bitcoin atms require a lot of attention to keep running. You need to make sure it has enough cash for people selling and enough bitcoin for people buying. You need to physically visit the machine every now and then to make sure it's still working properly before you can withdraw cash. Frankly it is easier withdrawing with with the trusted debit cards like Bitpay, If I use an Atm, it will be for buying coins.
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Blackjack.fun
June 25, 2017, 05:30:09 AM
First of all i'm suprised that this is an old thread created by op in 2012, when bitcoin was very young so op asked those who never used bitcoin ATM before about, does bitcoin really need an ATM? Well from my experience, we have 2 bitcoin ATMs here btw i don't think that we really need bitcoin ATM since you can buy bitcoin easily with your smartphone in a single click from your bedroom without going outside and with the cheaper price than bitcoin ATM charges. However this is gonna be an advertisment for the bitcoin itself, but as i can see no one cares i mean the common people ( our ATM is located in the mall ) i don't know maybe they are just too lazy to convert their fiat to the bitcoin or didn't know about bitcoin and what can they do with it, hoping this only happened here.
in this respect we do not need for any ATM, but if we can use the ATM for depositing our fiat in to  Bitcoin or Bitcoin in to Fiat then we really need ATM and it will be really too much convenience to use it.

In Nort America, people are facing difficulties on bitcoin to fiat currency transactions. It's saying Nort America has the plenty of bitcoin atms but it's not enough for user's need.

In north america people have no problem with that.
They can use thousands of alternatives for an atm and coinbase does a really good job at that.

That's why the atms many has stalled and they are charging those fees, trying to get money out of one time suckers rather than building a user base of some sorts.
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June 21, 2017, 05:02:57 PM
I've seen in many posts that you are interested in something like a Bitcoin ATM, and there has even been someone who has built a Bitcoin ATM somewhere in the USA.

I believe that reprogramming an existing vending machine (specially condoms or parking meters for their size), or even taking an old motherboard or android phone, and attach a coin acceptor and a thermal printer is not exactly something revolutionary (technically speaking). But it hasn't been done yet (well, it has, but a big and mostly proof-of-concept project, diametrically different from the low cost, widely deployed EUR/USD/GBP2BTC machine everyone want).

So, my question is why. And thinking about the question I found that Bitcoin is not what people need. It will, when it  succeedes (I'm optimistic about Bitcoin) be an extraordinary medium of storing wealth, something like gold today, with the additional advantages that everybody in this forum knows. But I don't think that people need to change their salary to Bitcoin (price fluctuations aside), exactly, again, as they don't need to buy gold with their salary. It's just not worth it. Bitcoin is not useful for buying bread. You can argue, of course, that if the baker accepted Bitcoin, people could use them to buy bread. But why would the baker accept Bitcoin, if he must pay his taxes in euros? It just adds more headache to his accountant.

Another reason I think that people will not rush into the ATM to buy BTC is the responsibility. Who would want to be considered the only responsible of protecting its own wealth? If you are stolen/threatened/forgetful that's it, game over. With a bank, despite all the inconveniences, hidden fees etc, if your credit card is stolen, you can chargeback. And the Bitcoin community does not support the idea of trusting a Bitcoin bank (which, given the past experience, I understand).

So, when I enthusiastically tell my friends about the wonders about Bitcoin, they ask me, skeptically, "how can I use them?" And in the answer I realize that they don't really need them, as well as they don't need gold coins.
People don't mind paying 2 euros more in an item of 60 euros because of the fees of Paypal, if they know that they can recover their money if something goes bad. Bitcoin has primitive escrow services, but are they below the Paypal fees? If yes, for how long, when the Bitcoin economy expands?

In conclusion, when I was looking for a catch phrase to write in the ATM describing why everybody needs Bitcoin, I realized that Bitcoins are useful for wealthy individuals and from a macroeconomic point of view, but not for the people that would casually buy them in an ATM.
 
I hope with this post to get contrary opinions about this fact, since I want to be convinced that a Bitcoin ATM would be useful, since I find the project of building one really, really cool :-)

A bitcoin ATM could improve access to bitcoins to those that aren't willing to spend the time to figure out how to gets bitcoins. If a bitcoin ATM were user friendly, even people that aren't computer savvy might use it to get some bitcoins just for the novelty of it or to just try it out. It would bring bitcoin to a segment of the population that might not otherwise take the time to learn about it.
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June 21, 2017, 04:54:56 PM
First of all i'm suprised that this is an old thread created by op in 2012, when bitcoin was very young so op asked those who never used bitcoin ATM before about, does bitcoin really need an ATM? Well from my experience, we have 2 bitcoin ATMs here btw i don't think that we really need bitcoin ATM since you can buy bitcoin easily with your smartphone in a single click from your bedroom without going outside and with the cheaper price than bitcoin ATM charges. However this is gonna be an advertisment for the bitcoin itself, but as i can see no one cares i mean the common people ( our ATM is located in the mall ) i don't know maybe they are just too lazy to convert their fiat to the bitcoin or didn't know about bitcoin and what can they do with it, hoping this only happened here.
in this respect we do not need for any ATM, but if we can use the ATM for depositing our fiat in to  Bitcoin or Bitcoin in to Fiat then we really need ATM and it will be really too much convenience to use it.

In Nort America, people are facing difficulties on bitcoin to fiat currency transactions. It's saying Nort America has the plenty of bitcoin atms but it's not enough for user's need.
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June 21, 2017, 03:34:40 PM
First of all i'm suprised that this is an old thread created by op in 2012, when bitcoin was very young so op asked those who never used bitcoin ATM before about, does bitcoin really need an ATM? Well from my experience, we have 2 bitcoin ATMs here btw i don't think that we really need bitcoin ATM since you can buy bitcoin easily with your smartphone in a single click from your bedroom without going outside and with the cheaper price than bitcoin ATM charges. However this is gonna be an advertisment for the bitcoin itself, but as i can see no one cares i mean the common people ( our ATM is located in the mall ) i don't know maybe they are just too lazy to convert their fiat to the bitcoin or didn't know about bitcoin and what can they do with it, hoping this only happened here.
in this respect we do not need for any ATM, but if we can use the ATM for depositing our fiat in to  Bitcoin or Bitcoin in to Fiat then we really need ATM and it will be really too much convenience to use it.
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June 21, 2017, 02:38:56 PM
Does email need paper?
Yes.

Bitcoin is less reliant on ATMs than classic money, but like email and paper, there are many people who need it. If there is a market, it will be done.


How is it necessary atm if the banking course until now still no one recognize as a legitimate transaction ??
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June 21, 2017, 01:05:33 PM
I've never used or needed to use a bitcoin ATM so for me personally, no I don't think bitcoin needs ATM's. The issue is for people who live in countries with restrictive or poor internet connection/availability, they will need ATM's.
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June 21, 2017, 10:56:48 AM
A lot of people need cash for various reasons. If they can get cash for bitcoin easily they'll hold more coin and be more likely to be willing to work or sell for it.
Yes the more people hold a cash by their hand the more interesting it brings to them to earn and saved bitcoin. Just like me i was motivate to work hard more for it to earn more bitcoin where i can convert into fiat. If bitcoin will have an atm then this would be good for us because we get it easily.
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June 21, 2017, 09:21:24 AM
First of all i'm suprised that this is an old thread created by op in 2012, when bitcoin was very young so op asked those who never used bitcoin ATM before about, does bitcoin really need an ATM? Well from my experience, we have 2 bitcoin ATMs here btw i don't think that we really need bitcoin ATM since you can buy bitcoin easily with your smartphone in a single click from your bedroom without going outside and with the cheaper price than bitcoin ATM charges. However this is gonna be an advertisment for the bitcoin itself, but as i can see no one cares i mean the common people ( our ATM is located in the mall ) i don't know maybe they are just too lazy to convert their fiat to the bitcoin or didn't know about bitcoin and what can they do with it, hoping this only happened here.
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June 21, 2017, 07:19:31 AM
It's a good introduction to bitcoin for people who haven't heard about it yet. You can for example accompany a friend to one. If there were educational pamphlets nearby, it's even possible for the curious to just walk up to an ATM and start on their way into the crypto world.

I don't know how these ATMs would operate (there are none in my country) but if it does allow anonymously buying bitcoins, then that would be great. The way we buy bitcoins here, you have to go to a 7-11, or some remittance center, or bank. You'd still leave a trail. Not to mention the bought bitcoin ends up in an exchange, rather than your personal wallet.
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June 21, 2017, 07:04:22 AM
My answer to your question is "Yes" Roll Eyes
Because:
1. Bitcoin ATMs are a great face for the first time Bitcoin buyer all the way to the seasoned cypherpunks simply for their very familiar interface.
2. Bitcoin ATMs  are without a doubt the easiest way that I have ever used to acquire bitcoin.
3. If you want to avoid bank accounts, the long waits and suspect claims put out by exchanges, the Bitcoin ATM is a great place to go. The near frictionless experience of buying through an ATM is one of it’s greatest features.
4. Some Bitcoin ATMs even offer the ability to print out a paper wallet and have your coins sent their for transfer to another wallet shortly thereafter. And because of the speed of ATMs, they offer a very tangible peace of mind, knowing that you aren’t waiting for your coins for 3-5 business days.
5. You will need cash to Buy bitcoin from your local ATM and nothing is more private than cash.
6. ATM might just be one of the best viable options for you since you don’t need much more than some cash and sometimes a cell phone number.
7. The ability to walk up to a machine with cash in hand and walk away seconds or minutes later with bitcoin is something that appeals to a rather large number of people because of it’s instant liquidity.
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June 21, 2017, 06:51:31 AM
Bitcoin does not literally needs an ATM. However, having an ATM for Bitcoin would give convenience for its users. Just like banks across the world, do they need an ATM? No. ATMs are just made for convenience of the users and not to cope with their needs. That alone shall answer your concern, simple and without any complexities.

Exactly. Bitcoin ATMs are only needed for convenience of the users, so that they can convert Bitcoins to Cash whenever they want, instantly.
yes that can be the great idea that it become possible to use Bitcoin ATM for the purpose to convert bitcoin into fiat without involving exchange directly, because in my area it take a day to convert bitcoin in to fiat.
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June 21, 2017, 06:49:28 AM
Bitcoin does not literally needs an ATM. However, having an ATM for Bitcoin would give convenience for its users. Just like banks across the world, do they need an ATM? No. ATMs are just made for convenience of the users and not to cope with their needs. That alone shall answer your concern, simple and without any complexities.

Bitcoin ATM will gave convenience for all of us because transaction will become much easier and more faster rather than creating cash out from third party exchanger. I believe soon it will happen in the whole wide world bitcoin becoming popular in every country that it emerge because of the high probable income year by year it goes up.
It gives convenience alright but when you look at it the exchange rate or their conversion rate is to unfavorable for you, which means you would get less then what your money is really worth. That is why you need to pick up a good wallet service provider in which they are the ones buying your Bitcoin through your wallet. With that being said I would prefer the wallet exchange rather than the ATM exchange.
Yeah it gives convenience for the users, but exchanges will always serve as the better way for all the withdrawal needs based on the decreased commissioning. In my view bitcoin ATM will always help in making it more popular as people will come to know about it.
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June 21, 2017, 06:37:44 AM
ATM is for convenience and perhaps anonymity, nothing more. The fees are sky high so people only really use them when they need something quick.
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June 21, 2017, 06:33:08 AM
ATM is a big thing when wanting to buy bitcoin, most of them the fee is %5 which is much cheaper than doing a deal on localbitcoins methods. The only thing hindering them less useful is how scarce they are available only in very few limited countries.. it will also be better if you can sell bitcoins for cash too.
Why do you need cash? Almost everything can be bought using credit cards. Easier to fill the balance of the credit cards with a home computer and to pay to her. You will drive all over town looking for an ATM? With the advent of smartphones even Fiat ATMs are no longer needed.
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