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August 14, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
#90
I was seeing this Section and saw many people saying that your Skill Work mostly in Gambling, Yes There are a few types of games where skill can also play some role, but in most games, skill plays absolutely no role. . Independence of events, Randomness and House Advantages are the most important concept in the gambling that one Should have Knowledge when you are gambling.

Let’s look at where skill does, and doesn’t, come into play.

Games Based Purely on Chance
(No Skill element)

1. Lotteries
2. Scratch tickets & break-opens
3. Spinning reel games on slots and VLTs
4. Roulette
5. Mini-baccarat
6. Craps
7. Keno
8. Raffles
9. Dice

The results of these games are produced purely by chance – skill plays absolutely no role. There is nothing players can do to become “better” at these games. Each result is chosen by a random generating device, such as a roulette wheel or a random number generator on a VLT, and each result is completely independent from all the other bets.

Games Based Mostly on Chance
(Some Skill element)

Most of the games that fall into this category are card or sports-based games:

1. Blackjack
2. Pai Gow poker
3. Casino-based poker games (3 card poker, Caribbean stud, Texas hold ‘em bonus, etc.)
4. Sport Select®
5. Sports pools
6. Horse racing
7. P2P

In these games, there is some room for players to apply their skill. While skillful players may be able to keep their cost of play to a minimum, the gambling operator will still always have a house advantage.

The reason that skill can play a role in these games is that players must make decisions that can affect the outcome. Players who make bad decisions will win less often than players who consistently make good decisions.  You can read More here

Yes Skill Works , I apply my skills when i am playing poker but in a poker where players vs players , Even with a bad cards you can win a hand by using your skill. Sometimes when i am already losing and i just want to leave even with a bad card i just bluff and sometimes i win the hand.

It's depending on what kind of gambling that you choose to play, just like you had mentioned above.
For gambling, skill not mostly works but knowledge, experience, skill and luck that matter to win the game.
If want profit choose that you good at, not only depend on luck.
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August 14, 2016, 07:44:21 AM
#89
Ofcourse still works if you have skill on cards then you are going to win and luck beside you and if you have good skill in poker like reading your opponents cards thats awesome because of player are use to bluff each other both are equally important to keep you on winning track soome casinos are needs a player that has a skills on card
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August 14, 2016, 07:33:15 AM
#88
This is kinda funny reading the comments here.  Gamblers tend to ascribe to their luck an aspect of skill that is far too much.  It's magical thinking.   OP was right in describing the second category as mostly chance.   Skill does play a role,  but I think it's much less than a lot of players believe.

Agreed there is only one skill based casino game I know of and that's this game called c.o.r.e. on betterbets.io
Other than that it's luck to think otherwise is madness.

Very precisely, many gamblers who contended that luck is a major factor in getting the victory, so that when they do gambling 99% how used is indiscriminate (original play) so that when they are aware of. They are very angry, embarrassed, lethargy, because large losses. Skills in gambling is absolutely needed, because gambling is a game

How can you have skills when the numbers or cards are random? You never know what card or number to expect. Therefore, you can't play with 'skills' when it comes to gambling! The only skill we can have is to know when to deal or stand or whatever you have to do.
Yes if some people say i've a good skill in poker games and i can read the card. it's like something crazy for hear maybe they don't know if that card random so no one can know what the card will out.
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August 14, 2016, 07:20:43 AM
#87


Yes Skill Works , I apply my skills when i am playing poker but in a poker where players vs players , Even with a bad cards you can win a hand by using your skill. Sometimes when i am already losing and i just want to leave even with a bad card i just bluff and sometimes i win the hand.

In your post you clearly mentioned that you can win losing the game only sometimes with skill but all other games you still lose so in gambling along with skill, we need some luck also to win. Without luck I don't think we can win any bet or game always. I bet only one certain sure games to increase my winning % instead going after all matches and so for lucky to make some profit in sports betting with my skills and luck.
luck and skills are required in any type of gambling , both are equally important to keep you on winning track. even if you are a professional poker player who have skills and won so many tournaments it wouldn't gives you any guarantee to win every single game.
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August 14, 2016, 07:06:07 AM
#86
Poker, sports bet, and blackjack should be skillful games. Know the strategies and master the rules is the key of winning.

I agree with you. That three gamblings games poker, sportsbet and blackjack need skills. Especially on sports betting that i also gamble on sports betting.

poker and blackjack pure play with strategy, but sportsbet still depends on luck, difficult to predict and sometimes unexpected results.

Not really, sportsbetting is a bit of both. Sports aren't that difficult to predict; sometimes there are upsets but not often. You can always analyze games, and see how big a chance of an upset will be. For example, a game in the regular season will have more chance of an upset than in the playoffs, as most teams try their hardest in the playoffs, as they want to go all the way to the finals.

Poker and blackjack are also strategy mixed with luck; however, strategy can help you beat the odds for sure.

Actually there are some professional sports bettors who master math and sports. They arbitrage on odds to make sure bets. You can search "sports betting arbitrage" in google. you will know it is very strategic.
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August 14, 2016, 05:11:45 AM
#85
Yes skill is working on gambling, if you have skill to not be greedy then you will earn your profit
im agree with this , patience is a virtue where people always chase for there lose if you always chase for you lose you always get nothing on your hand because you always greed , the more you greed the more chances you bet high and get lose in earning you always make your patience high so that you able to wait for the turn you gonna win
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August 14, 2016, 04:03:50 AM
#84
I will say skills work in p2p type of gambling in some specific card games. When you are playing against house believe me you are always exposed to many risks. Skills work in sports betting and poker type games where little luck plus skills become great combination. Most of the casino games are purely chances and luck based.
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August 14, 2016, 03:54:40 AM
#83
This is kinda funny reading the comments here.  Gamblers tend to ascribe to their luck an aspect of skill that is far too much.  It's magical thinking.   OP was right in describing the second category as mostly chance.   Skill does play a role,  but I think it's much less than a lot of players believe.

Agreed there is only one skill based casino game I know of and that's this game called c.o.r.e. on betterbets.io
Other than that it's luck to think otherwise is madness.

Very precisely, many gamblers who contended that luck is a major factor in getting the victory, so that when they do gambling 99% how used is indiscriminate (original play) so that when they are aware of. They are very angry, embarrassed, lethargy, because large losses. Skills in gambling is absolutely needed, because gambling is a game

How can you have skills when the numbers or cards are random? You never know what card or number to expect. Therefore, you can't play with 'skills' when it comes to gambling! The only skill we can have is to know when to deal or stand or whatever you have to do.

There are some card games that require some skills in order to win. Poker and blackjack is one of them, but chances are you are likely to lose unexpectedly.

Skills are required on that game is on how you  manage your  card and on decision making but the most important of all  is when luck is beside you then you would definitely win to those games but  it wouldnt guarantee you in the long rn because as we all know that gambling are just a matter of luck.
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August 14, 2016, 12:02:12 AM
#82
This is kinda funny reading the comments here.  Gamblers tend to ascribe to their luck an aspect of skill that is far too much.  It's magical thinking.   OP was right in describing the second category as mostly chance.   Skill does play a role,  but I think it's much less than a lot of players believe.

Agreed there is only one skill based casino game I know of and that's this game called c.o.r.e. on betterbets.io
Other than that it's luck to think otherwise is madness.

Very precisely, many gamblers who contended that luck is a major factor in getting the victory, so that when they do gambling 99% how used is indiscriminate (original play) so that when they are aware of. They are very angry, embarrassed, lethargy, because large losses. Skills in gambling is absolutely needed, because gambling is a game

How can you have skills when the numbers or cards are random? You never know what card or number to expect. Therefore, you can't play with 'skills' when it comes to gambling! The only skill we can have is to know when to deal or stand or whatever you have to do.

There are some card games that require some skills in order to win. Poker and blackjack is one of them, but chances are you are likely to lose unexpectedly.
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August 13, 2016, 11:33:49 PM
#81
This is kinda funny reading the comments here.  Gamblers tend to ascribe to their luck an aspect of skill that is far too much.  It's magical thinking.   OP was right in describing the second category as mostly chance.   Skill does play a role,  but I think it's much less than a lot of players believe.

Agreed there is only one skill based casino game I know of and that's this game called c.o.r.e. on betterbets.io
Other than that it's luck to think otherwise is madness.

Very precisely, many gamblers who contended that luck is a major factor in getting the victory, so that when they do gambling 99% how used is indiscriminate (original play) so that when they are aware of. They are very angry, embarrassed, lethargy, because large losses. Skills in gambling is absolutely needed, because gambling is a game

How can you have skills when the numbers or cards are random? You never know what card or number to expect. Therefore, you can't play with 'skills' when it comes to gambling! The only skill we can have is to know when to deal or stand or whatever you have to do.
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August 13, 2016, 11:26:52 PM
#80


Yes Skill Works , I apply my skills when i am playing poker but in a poker where players vs players , Even with a bad cards you can win a hand by using your skill. Sometimes when i am already losing and i just want to leave even with a bad card i just bluff and sometimes i win the hand.

In your post you clearly mentioned that you can win losing the game only sometimes with skill but all other games you still lose so in gambling along with skill, we need some luck also to win. Without luck I don't think we can win any bet or game always. I bet only one certain sure games to increase my winning % instead going after all matches and so for lucky to make some profit in sports betting with my skills and luck.

Poker is the one gambling game where you don't play against the casino but against other players. And you still need luck to win the game. Skill helps you in some games but overall luck is the biggest factor in gambling.

Yeah , the luck is needed for getting good cards and when you must to raise your bet or fold your card.
But for video poker the luck is very important because you must choose right table to win that bet , unlike PvP where you must have the skill about card strategy and winning tricks.
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August 13, 2016, 11:24:08 PM
#79


Yes Skill Works , I apply my skills when i am playing poker but in a poker where players vs players , Even with a bad cards you can win a hand by using your skill. Sometimes when i am already losing and i just want to leave even with a bad card i just bluff and sometimes i win the hand.

In your post you clearly mentioned that you can win losing the game only sometimes with skill but all other games you still lose so in gambling along with skill, we need some luck also to win. Without luck I don't think we can win any bet or game always. I bet only one certain sure games to increase my winning % instead going after all matches and so for lucky to make some profit in sports betting with my skills and luck.

Poker is the one gambling game where you don't play against the casino but against other players. And you still need luck to win the game. Skill helps you in some games but overall luck is the biggest factor in gambling.
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August 13, 2016, 11:20:57 PM
#78


Yes Skill Works , I apply my skills when i am playing poker but in a poker where players vs players , Even with a bad cards you can win a hand by using your skill. Sometimes when i am already losing and i just want to leave even with a bad card i just bluff and sometimes i win the hand.

In your post you clearly mentioned that you can win losing the game only sometimes with skill but all other games you still lose so in gambling along with skill, we need some luck also to win. Without luck I don't think we can win any bet or game always. I bet only one certain sure games to increase my winning % instead going after all matches and so for lucky to make some profit in sports betting with my skills and luck.
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August 13, 2016, 08:09:58 PM
#77
I was seeing this Section and saw many people saying that your Skill Work mostly in Gambling, Yes There are a few types of games where skill can also play some role, but in most games, skill plays absolutely no role. . Independence of events, Randomness and House Advantages are the most important concept in the gambling that one Should have Knowledge when you are gambling.

Let’s look at where skill does, and doesn’t, come into play.

Games Based Purely on Chance
(No Skill element)

1. Lotteries
2. Scratch tickets & break-opens
3. Spinning reel games on slots and VLTs
4. Roulette
5. Mini-baccarat
6. Craps
7. Keno
8. Raffles
9. Dice

The results of these games are produced purely by chance – skill plays absolutely no role. There is nothing players can do to become “better” at these games. Each result is chosen by a random generating device, such as a roulette wheel or a random number generator on a VLT, and each result is completely independent from all the other bets.

Games Based Mostly on Chance
(Some Skill element)

Most of the games that fall into this category are card or sports-based games:

1. Blackjack
2. Pai Gow poker
3. Casino-based poker games (3 card poker, Caribbean stud, Texas hold ‘em bonus, etc.)
4. Sport Select®
5. Sports pools
6. Horse racing
7. P2P

In these games, there is some room for players to apply their skill. While skillful players may be able to keep their cost of play to a minimum, the gambling operator will still always have a house advantage.

The reason that skill can play a role in these games is that players must make decisions that can affect the outcome. Players who make bad decisions will win less often than players who consistently make good decisions.  You can read More here

Yes Skill Works , I apply my skills when i am playing poker but in a poker where players vs players , Even with a bad cards you can win a hand by using your skill. Sometimes when i am already losing and i just want to leave even with a bad card i just bluff and sometimes i win the hand.
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August 13, 2016, 07:49:07 PM
#76
This is kinda funny reading the comments here.  Gamblers tend to ascribe to their luck an aspect of skill that is far too much.  It's magical thinking.   OP was right in describing the second category as mostly chance.   Skill does play a role,  but I think it's much less than a lot of players believe.

Agreed there is only one skill based casino game I know of and that's this game called c.o.r.e. on betterbets.io
Other than that it's luck to think otherwise is madness.

Very precisely, many gamblers who contended that luck is a major factor in getting the victory, so that when they do gambling 99% how used is indiscriminate (original play) so that when they are aware of. They are very angry, embarrassed, lethargy, because large losses. Skills in gambling is absolutely needed, because gambling is a game
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August 13, 2016, 07:20:50 PM
#75
This is kinda funny reading the comments here.  Gamblers tend to ascribe to their luck an aspect of skill that is far too much.  It's magical thinking.   OP was right in describing the second category as mostly chance.   Skill does play a role,  but I think it's much less than a lot of players believe.

Agreed there is only one skill based casino game I know of and that's this game called c.o.r.e. on betterbets.io
Other than that it's luck to think otherwise is madness.
legendary
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August 13, 2016, 07:13:41 PM
#74
It only helps a bit in sports bets. You can't have or use any skills in purely luck dependent games like dice games. As i said, you either lucky or not when you play dice. Sports betting is a bit different though. You can study teams, players, managers and after your studies you may come to a conclusion about the winning team. Now, that study takes serious skills. Still, it doesn't guarantee anything, only helps a little.
You nailed it dude. You still need a luck even if its a skill based games simply because it is gambling. If your a skilled player it doesnt mean that you will win it is just you have a bit of advantage.

Because everything in gambling is based on luck although strat can help us track that where doing healthy gambling but still yet it cannot gaurantee us to win and earn money with it, but yeah the strat are working on some sportsbook since if you do some wise bet and a sportsfan and frequently follows the league daily will can get have advantage to point out who's gonna win and who is the underdog for that game.


But if you think theres working strat in dice game will throw that thoughs because it actually fools you since we can still lose with that remember house is still the champ in the end of the game.
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August 13, 2016, 07:04:30 PM
#73
It only helps a bit in sports bets. You can't have or use any skills in purely luck dependent games like dice games. As i said, you either lucky or not when you play dice. Sports betting is a bit different though. You can study teams, players, managers and after your studies you may come to a conclusion about the winning team. Now, that study takes serious skills. Still, it doesn't guarantee anything, only helps a little.
You nailed it dude. You still need a luck even if its a skill based games simply because it is gambling. If your a skilled player it doesnt mean that you will win it is just you have a bit of advantage.
Yeah you should still need to have a luck in skills base games.. because every thing in gambling are need luck because its a card game or sports betting.
Almost all in gambling are needs luck in order to win even that game needs skills.
legendary
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August 13, 2016, 06:48:44 PM
#72
I think I agree with your list but what do you mean by Sport Select® and Sports pools? Why not just sports betting, since although I don't know what those are, I believe they should be related to that. I do agree that you put horse racing in a different category, since they are very hard to predict. Also where is poker?
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August 13, 2016, 05:52:58 PM
#71
It only helps a bit in sports bets. You can't have or use any skills in purely luck dependent games like dice games. As i said, you either lucky or not when you play dice. Sports betting is a bit different though. You can study teams, players, managers and after your studies you may come to a conclusion about the winning team. Now, that study takes serious skills. Still, it doesn't guarantee anything, only helps a little.
You nailed it dude. You still need a luck even if its a skill based games simply because it is gambling. If your a skilled player it doesnt mean that you will win it is just you have a bit of advantage.
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