Topic: Does the planet really need saving? - page 3. (Read 718 times)

One big volcanic eruption, or one solar flare, could easily erase any results of people trying to not pollute... or TO pollute, for that matter.  It's happened in the past. It will happen again.

One of the major things we need to do in life is to stop being fearful. "The sky is falling. The sky is falling." Lol.

Except in big cities locally, climate change is a lie. The idea that CO2 is causing global warming is an invention of some people with an agenda to control the world.

CO2 is plant food. As the population of the word grows, we get more CO2 from people, and the CO2 helps plants grow to feed the people.

The whole thing is as simple as that. Besides, the evidence over the last 2 decades is that we are having global cooling. If CO2 were a global heater, we need it to protect from the next ice age.

   We're human who made our earth worsen we're just the one who used it. Nature or Earth need us , same us people who live down there. Nature is horrible that makes revenge, that's why treat them good and with love.

Not everyone is getting what is happening to the planet as a result of human activity, as a direct result of global warming. There are waves of extinction for many types of creatures, whether on land or in the sea, and this in itself causes an imbalance in the ecosystem from which it is difficult for nature to recover in a short time.
Capitalism has created consumer societies and globalization has increased the spread of a culture of excessive consumption among all societies, even those that do not have the elements of a good economy have been pushed to exploit all their resources to meet the needs of rich societies. If this system continues over the next two decades, its consequences will be disastrous for all of us.

Unfortunately, it's true. During Covid-19 quarantine measures, pollution was radically decreased, the air was a lot cleaner and the effects of human isolation were very evident for the environment. However, that was only temporary, since after the measures were drawn, we quickly reverted to our previous state. Human activity is harmful for the environment, period. I strongly believe that future generations, including mine, are pretty much doomed to face the severe side effects of our actions.

When I remember the changes that took place on the planet during the period of mass quarantine when the pandemic spread, I realize that the planet indeed deserves an urgent rescue mission.
All indicators of the scientific community confirm that the health of the planet requires urgent intervention. Unfortunately, there are no practical solutions that are effectively implemented on the ground, despite all the warnings of danger.

The modern green initiatives don't do much to actually stop climate change so the question to ask is whether people should feel comfortable paying 2x-3x their energy cost in order to reduce carbon emissions by using renewable/cleaner energy sources. And by doing so, making only a fractional impact on global average temperature increases over the next 100 years. Most people wouldn't even pay 1.1x their current energy costs even if it made a more sizeable impact than what the projections show. Russia, India, China, don't have any intentions on reducing their emissions any time soon.

The green energy hippies would rather have you freeze to death in the winter than emit carbon pollution.

Supposedly, the ozone layer is showing signs of healing after 2000, a result of reducing the usage of ozone depleting substances, such as Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), however, HCFCs are yet to be banned and are still used in refrigerators and freezers.



In 2019, the ozone hole was considerably smaller, but honestly, I don't see too much improvement in recent years.

I'm starting to believe that our generation is pretty much doomed.

The planet does not need saving. We need to protect our environment and our limited resources.

We are only protected by a 1-3 mm ozone layer. When it will be gone, most of life will go with it.

We need to stop using fossil fuels, and we need to stop the exponential growth of the human population.

Don't shit where you eat.

It doesn't need saving, it just needs us to make a step back and stop polluting it. We only have one Earth.

You can see how easy it is to pull nature out of balance and how damaging it can be. There's a recent problem on a river between Germany and Poland where tons of fish were found dead because apparently the water became too salty.

I feel like we're focusing on the carbon footprint and melting ice caps but the real disaster will hit us where no one expects it.

we are able to drill holes deeper then aquifers and water tables to suck oil up..

yet when it comes to disposing of plastics and toxic chemicals
we try to just lay them in shallow ground pretending we cannot put them in safer places any deeper. pretending its impossible to go down deep enough to put them in places.

the solution is simple. fill up the deep mines/underground reservoirs we first got the oil out of way below the water table, way below aquifers, where they cannot leak into our ground water systems.

same with nuclear. put them in the very spot we got the nuclear material from
if we were able to extract them, refine them and transport them safely to nuclear power plants, we can do the same in reverse
..
the actual excuse is not ability. but cost.
just putting plastic in landfill is free because humans pay their local government utility company (trash companies) to take it away and dispose of on cheap land handed to them for free by local government
..

if it was good enough to have nuclear material in those spots for millions of years before us, then we can put it back where it came from(in reverse)

EG
coal quarries.
we can sequester carbon into solids and put it into the quarries coal was extracted from.

silly people have silly idea.s to sequester carbon and then sell it to fizzy drinks companies to carbonate drinks which we should then consume.

however they think its impossible to put it back into the very mines from which it came

Unfortunately, that's the impossibility to the situation. Resources would always be mined and used. It doesn't matter if they are plants, animals and minerals. As humans, we've got taste and needs and these things in our environs is what we could used in satisfying them. We aren't going to leave things be to fly out of space and get the resource we need to fix ourselves up. We would always get it right here but, our actions to the correction of the problems we create is what matters.

If we are to say, they shouldn't cut trees, do nothing and there won't be any heavy breathing and no CO₂ increase in the environment, then wht about the athletes. At least, they aren't cutting trees but thy get to perform there sports, burn energy and in turn, release CO₂ into the atmosphere.
In all, we still have to try and follow processes that ensures its remediation.

But, but, but...

People who cut trees down and plant new trees, work harder than if they did nothing. This puts more CO2 into the atmosphere from all their heavy breathing. That means more climate change, right.

Stop both, cutting trees down and re-planting, right?

Nature doesn't need saving, it can live without us, it'll take thousands or even millions of years to recover but eventually our footprint will have been deleted. We're the ones who can't live without it, each year, we're depleting more resources that can be produced, pollution is rapidly increasing and so is the temperature of the planet, if action isn't taken now, the future generations are doomed. On top of that, our forests, the source of oxygen, are being depleted, either by wildfires or for our own personal gain.

Cut one tree and plant two in its place. This is another of those and the truth is, they all help. Humans, we are both creative and destructive in nature and have altered so much about the earth's structure due to our curiosity but in all that, we are doing our best to remediate and build.

If we are to look at it, nature doesn't really needs us to save it but it could save itself. I mean, the design is so unique that it goes in circles to correct what alterations that might have been done in the past but, should we let nature save itself, its going to follow a path that might bring harm to humans.
It therefore means, in our plight to save nature, we act as facilitators an indeed save ourselves in the process.

You should see how scrawny, brown and withered those trees look in the winter.

If we don't stop doing all the things which harm the environment will not only be the reason for extinction of human but also most of the living things in this world sooner than what it supposed to be. However climate change will happen for sure even if we stop everything but it slowen the process so more time for human or atleast a century more.

We are saving the earth because we are making a better world for the next generations where is less pollution and have someplace to stay like how it used to be. When there were more trees on the road that can shade you from direct sunlight and the like of it. I think those people who weren't aware of how bad it is to live in a place where there are no trees, are people who live with some air conditioner in their homes. People that are used to living in those kinds of places are already feeling the changes that's why some people are dedicating their lives to making it back. Like these couple here:

Lemme then gives a counterargument to that, why would we save the humans, if we are all going today anyway? What would be the point? Why procreate if you basically just give birth to someone on a death sentence?

The earth itself might not care for us, but its unique conditions (and yes, since we haven't seen many examples besides earth, they are somewhat unique, at least to our solar system) ''cared'' enough to give us a chance to form and evolve, so by caring for the planet would be caring for something that is not ours (we did not make it, therefore, we are not permitted to destroy it, we are not the Gods of 'it'), but gave birth to us, no matter if we as a species outlive it in whatever form or condition.

I hope I made that clear enough.

The sad truth is that the earth’s days are numbered. It is going to die a fiery death at the hands of the sun. The only way to ensure the survival of mankind is to make it a multi planetary species. That’s the Elon Musk speech anyway. I think it’s the proper way to think about things as well. While we are destroying the earth at unacceptable levels by over utilizing resources, we shouldn’t forget that the ultimate goal is not needing the earth to survive.