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Topic: Doge-Dice.com : Play or Invest : 1% House Edge : Banter++ - page 2. (Read 11680 times)

newbie
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So you are saying it's purely hard programmed to fuck you?

After all my attempts to explain how the site works, this is the best you can do?

No, I am not saying that it is hard programmed to fuck you.

It doesn't know about our care about you. It's a sequence of pseudorandom numbers you're paying against. The numbers have no desire to fuck or be fucked, they are simply the result of running a particular published algorithm over and over.



pseudorandom = FAKE random


*rolls eyes*
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
monitoring /observing changes the outcome ..you have heard of quantum dynamics right?

If you monitor someone adding 2 and 2, does it change the outcome?

In the same way, the dice rolls are entirely deterministic and not subject to quantum effects.

it depends what "2" represents!

....ok now you are REALLY talking stupid ! I thought you were smarter than that!!! ?=(


I WANT MY $$$ YOU STOLE IN BACK IN BITCOIN(rounded up) NOT DOGE!!!!


*must read*>>>>

http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
According to this guy though, the house has much more than a 1% advantage.  That's the topic right now isn't it..?


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What is this place?

Doge-Dice.com is a Dogecoin casino where you can play a fast paced dice game with a low 1% house edge and gamble with your DOGE. Pick your chance to win and how much to bet, then select "hi or lo" to roll the dice and get an instant result, win or lose. There is also a live chat where you can interact with other players on the site. They will probably try to convince you to bet more. Smiley

Alternatively you can invest in the site's bankroll, and share in the site's profits (or losses), while helping us offer bigger maximum bets to the players. This is why the players in the chat are trying to convince you to bet more - they win when you lose...


Reference: https://doge-dice.com/#q1

Pretty sure poor HAIGHT STREET got dropped acid on his head at a young age (or thrown.)


keep yappin' fuck head ~ when you get to prison be sure to tell them how you got there!

*must read* ====> http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/

legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1330
The biggest investment at the moment is 231,043,429 DOGE.

And now, without him doing anything, it's 231,355,233 DOGE.  Up roughly 0.1% in a few hours.

It's just a shame the price of DOGE went down by more than 0.1% in the same period, but you can't have everything!
legendary
Activity: 3920
Merit: 1248
Owner at AltQuick.com & FreeBitcoins.com
If the house is manipulating the odds of individual bets, that makes it a lot more than 1%.  I think you need to read the last couple pages before you post.  I was responding to the idiot who was accusing dooglus of scamming, and now you're flailing your arms around over nothing.

I see what you are saying and I assure you my arms aren't flailing! Cheesy I thought their was actual confusion.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1330
hey
i like it

I'd count that as a "substantial post" for sure!  Wink

Lmao

So what is the maximum I can invest?

There's no maximum.  The biggest investment at the moment is 231,043,429 DOGE.  Recently investments have been doing very well, averaging about 0.2% growth per day - but of course sometimes players win too, and so investors lose.
legendary
Activity: 1717
Merit: 1125
hey
i like it

I'd count that as a "substantial post" for sure!  Wink

Lmao

So what is the maximum I can invest?

Your life savings and whatever you can get in a loan
member
Activity: 112
Merit: 10
hey
i like it

I'd count that as a "substantial post" for sure!  Wink

Lmao

So what is the maximum I can invest?
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1330
hey
i like it

I'd count that as a "substantial post" for sure!  Wink
newbie
Activity: 1
Merit: 0
hey
i like it
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
According to this guy though, the house has much more than a 1% advantage.  That's the topic right now isn't it..?


Answers

What is this place?

Doge-Dice.com is a Dogecoin casino where you can play a fast paced dice game with a low 1% house edge and gamble with your DOGE. Pick your chance to win and how much to bet, then select "hi or lo" to roll the dice and get an instant result, win or lose. There is also a live chat where you can interact with other players on the site. They will probably try to convince you to bet more. Smiley

Alternatively you can invest in the site's bankroll, and share in the site's profits (or losses), while helping us offer bigger maximum bets to the players. This is why the players in the chat are trying to convince you to bet more - they win when you lose...


Reference: https://doge-dice.com/#q1
Pretty sure poor EEPICYO got dropped on his head at a young age (or thrown.)

If the house is manipulating the odds of individual bets, that makes it a lot more than 1%.  I think you need to read the last couple pages before you post.  I was responding to the idiot who was accusing dooglus of scamming, and now you're flailing your arms around over nothing.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1330
So you are saying it's purely hard programmed to fuck you?

After all my attempts to explain how the site works, this is the best you can do?

No, I am not saying that it is hard programmed to fuck you.

It doesn't know about our care about you. It's a sequence of pseudorandom numbers you're paying against. The numbers have no desire to fuck or be fucked, they are simply the result of running a particular published algorithm over and over.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1330
monitoring /observing changes the outcome ..you have heard of quantum dynamics right?

If you monitor someone adding 2 and 2, does it change the outcome?

In the same way, the dice rolls are entirely deterministic and not subject to quantum effects.
legendary
Activity: 1717
Merit: 1125
an early version of Just-Dice Custom API (works for doge dice as well) has been uploaded to GitHub. This api will eventually allow you to do everything you can do on the site.

Most of it is already there, except the Google Auth stuff. I have not tested anything, like login with GA either.

https://github.com/seuntie900/jdcapi

The api will be ported to mono so you can use it on mac and linux as well
legendary
Activity: 3920
Merit: 1248
Owner at AltQuick.com & FreeBitcoins.com
According to this guy though, the house has much more than a 1% advantage.  That's the topic right now isn't it..?


Answers

What is this place?

Doge-Dice.com is a Dogecoin casino where you can play a fast paced dice game with a low 1% house edge and gamble with your DOGE. Pick your chance to win and how much to bet, then select "hi or lo" to roll the dice and get an instant result, win or lose. There is also a live chat where you can interact with other players on the site. They will probably try to convince you to bet more. Smiley

Alternatively you can invest in the site's bankroll, and share in the site's profits (or losses), while helping us offer bigger maximum bets to the players. This is why the players in the chat are trying to convince you to bet more - they win when you lose...


Reference: https://doge-dice.com/#q1
Pretty sure poor EEPICYO got dropped on his head at a young age (or thrown.)
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
it works off "fields" so if you try to beat the streak it equates the higher bracket into the % ratio

How it works is documented on the 'Fair?' tab.  All rolls are predetermined based on a pair of seeds, one of which the server provides and one of which the user provides.

Nice words though.  I particularly liked the bit where you said "it equates the higher bracket into the % ratio".  That nearly sounded like it meant something!

i figured it out by reading about the time adjustments for different size bets..lol

Congratulations!  Except there's no time element in the roll generation.


monitoring /observing changes the outcome ..you have heard of quantum dynamics right?
member
Activity: 112
Merit: 10
This site is amazing thank you Doog!
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
there's no time element in the roll generation.

^you fucking liar it says it right on your site!

Are you referring to this?

http://i.imgur.com/zGnidYV.png

I expect so.  Can you understand the difference between HOW the rolls are generated and WHEN they are displayed?  The delays described above simply DELAY the roll, they don't AFFECT it.  Also, they only affect tiny bets.  People typically don't care about such small bets.  The bets you pasted were all above the threshold for delays.

>>yes I have found that it demonstrates how stated % is not exclusive to all bet placed but rather BET SIZE ,so perhaps in in your mind it's somehow justified? How this is achieved by monitoring or automation or what combination of these i'm not entirely clear. You do have someone monitoring the site at all times ...right?... GOTCHA!!! ;-) *just flip the "lose" switch? = odds will change

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here.  Do you have a friend who can help you with your posts?

If you're saying that big bets lose more often than small bets, that's just wrong.  The rolled numbers are predetermined as soon as you pick your client seed, before you pick your chance or stake.  No amount of monitoring or automation is able to change the predetermined sequence of rolls.

I don't have anyone monitoring the site most of the time.  I leave myself logged in most of the time, but don't watch it.  The server keeps logs of all bets though, so you can call that monitoring if you like.


after playing DOGE-DICE for +10hours straight that day i got the feeling of what to expect as using consistant size bets will produce smaller red streaks than when you try to "beat the game" and go from small bets to "whale" bets. I've gone beyond trying to prove to myself this happens~ to HOW it happens. So by recognizing your time delay feature i deduct this is how the % ratio equation works. So as long as you know what the fields are programmed you could better predict the likely outcome of rolls. I've seen you do some tricky stuff picking "good seeds" and whatnot. So you are saying it's purely hard programmed to fuck you?

...regardless when you get 10 out of 13 loss to win that isn't %77!!!!(DO THE MATH!!!)



sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1330
I found this very interesting, I'd recommend it for anyone who'd like to read about this.

Thanks for the link.  I hadn't see it before, and you're right, it is interesting.

I hadn't realised this:

Quote
Another reason for errors in our understanding of randomness may be confusion between the way the word random is used in everyday speech and the way it is used in statistics and mathematics. According to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, the most common meaning of the adjective random is “lacking a definite plan, purpose, or pattern.”  It also lists “haphazard” as a synonym

And so "H H H H H H" is thought to be "less random" than "H H T H T T", even though both have the same chance of happening at random.
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