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April 18, 2020, 12:09:15 PM
#50
You're all wasting your time asking theymos. As owner he can do what he wants with the forum. As I've found out before, you can ask a question in one of these missives and he just won't answer. He's made a decision and you may as well respect it as he doesn't usually clarify. (Look at his activity over the last.year or so)


But Satoshi needs to be aligned on this ?  Was he aligned with the changes  Cool
(P.S Its Just a joke)


Satoshi created both bitcoin.org and this forum, which was originally at bitcoin.org/smf.
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April 18, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
#49
The Blockstream propaganda of "Cobra is evil!" really has you totally duped.
Amusing that I am seeing this many years after I had first seen it used for "X is evil" (unrelated to you).  Roll Eyes
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April 18, 2020, 11:36:38 AM
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Ultimately, what has actively stopped BCH from winning the public-relations mindshare war is that an unorganized, decentralized cadre of Bitcoiners who have pushed back unequivocally.  This set very visibly includes Greg Maxwell, and also his former colleagues at Blockstream—Dr. Back, et al.  It very visibly includes laanwj and harding, whom Lauda mentioned.  It very visibly does not include you, the exclusive controller of bitcoin-dot-org.

Bitcoin Cash had no chance of ever getting called "Bitcoin" on major consumer services like Coinbase and wallets and payment rails. The attempts I fought against would have been presented as "Bitcoin" had they succeeded. At best, Bitcoin Cash might have confused and tricked a few people, but it wasn't as bad as the three wave of attacks that I was against. Adam Back supported something called the "Hong Kong agreement", a precursor to the "New York agreement" which Segwit2x was based off. Unfortunately, Adam for a brief moment also bought into the idea that Bitcoin could be changed by deals made between businesses.

There was no need for me to fight against Bitcoin Cash, because it clearly posed no risk to Bitcoin. It helped Bitcoin since big blockers left Bitcoin and focused their efforts on Bitcoin Cash. Some people just believe in scaling on-chain, others with solutions like Lighting, there was always going to be a split. The question was just whether it would happen by Bitcoin tearing itself apart, or by the big blockers just forking off into an altcoin.

To anyone with technical expertise, their self-evident agenda is, “Don’t trust us:  Keep Bitcoin trustless.”  I like that:  Keep down the blocksize so that ordinary people can keep running nodes (I say this with real-world experience needing to run Bitcoin on inexpensive hardware), and promote Lightning as the future of scaling and privacy.  For as long as that remains the agenda demonstrated by their actions and their code (not merely their words), I will continue to defend Blockstream’s reputation in public discussions.

For a company's who's motto is "don't trust, verify", all their products require quite a bit of trust. Let's go through and evaluate:

  • Blockstream Satellite: A service that broadcasts the Bitcoin blockchain to the entire world with the aim of reducing Bitcoin's dependency on internet access. It isn't hard to see where things fall apart here. First, you can't obviously do an initial sync from a satellite, it just broadcasts the latest blocks. Secondly, if you run the satellite receiver, you are putting all your faith in Blockstream's uplink to give you the right blocks. Should you find yourself in a situation with no internet, and only a satellite, you are blindly putting faith in Blockstream's version of the Bitcoin blockchain. It's even worse than running an SPV node, Blockstream is basically sybil attacking you. At any time they can just choose to stop sending you new blocks and you're shit out of luck.
  • Blockstream Green: Claims to be a simple and secure Bitcoin wallet. It isn't simple, nor secure. It uses 2-of-2 multi-sig, between you and Blockstreams' server. All transactions you do require Blockstream's signature. If their server goes down, you can't do any transactions, since they can't sign off on it. All your amounts are co-owned by Blockstream. It's even worse than running an SPV wallet. Because they sign all your transactions, they can also see all your transactions, and your IP addresses, destroying your privacy.
  • Blockstream's Liquid sidechain: A federated sidechain that lets you do faster transactions and apparently gives you privacy. Here, users are asked to hand over their BTC to a federation, so that it can become L-BTC, the federation can literally steal all your bitcoins and block any transactions you make. They tried to market it as "trustless", until one of their own co-founders called them out on it: https://twitter.com/TheBlueMatt/status/1060101587584991233.

They present themselves as in support of trustless solutions, but everything they put out there is inevitably worse than the very stuff they used to criticize so much. These were the guys rallying hard against SPV wallets, and now they push a wallet in which you can't even transact without their permission. These were the guys criticizing other projects because their networks were too centralized, now they run a network that will gladly gobble up your BTC, give you some L-BTC, to let you transact faster, all while giving them the power to steal every last satoshi from you, but "Bitcoin Cash is a scam!" right?

Let's assume for a moment that Adam Back owned bitcoin.org, would you character assassinate him for supporting the Hong Kong agreements? Or what about Luke-jr, would you smear him because he pushed UASF very hard which could have split the network? What about Peter Todd, for pushing that shady coin Viacoin? Maybe you would claim Jameson Lopp is a scammer because he once supported Bitcoin XT? Andreas is obviously a scammer too, he says good things about Ethereum and wrote a book about it, ETH is pre-mined garbage, fuck him too right? Can't trust him. theymos must be a scammer too, he said too many good things about Grin, screw him too right?

Some of you really need to chill out. The Blockstream propaganda of "Cobra is evil!" really has you totally duped.
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April 18, 2020, 10:38:09 AM
#47
Anyone reading the actually comment would not agree. Very likely you are a pedo? Is that neutral enough for you?
How would you view that under the guise of a neutral tag?
Not that i believe you are, but I hope you get the point

As long as it's not negative and puts a -1 in my account to new members - people can write whatever they want in feedback - it's not moderated.  


That statement does not refute my assertion that if a person wrote vod is very likely a pedo under the guise of a neutral feedback that you would believe that was a neutral comment or was intended to give a neutral impression to the reader.

So yes that is a negative comment but placed under a neutral rating.

Anyway, I don't think approaching the new sole owner of bitcoin.org in this manner that lauda the scammer is trying to pull this thread is the optimal path to take.

Character attacks are best reserved for those where there is strong or irrefutable evidence of wrong doing like in Laura's history here.
Lauda is actually throwing dirt on theymos judgement here also. So I hope that is clear.
You believe theymos has not considered all of this plus a lot of other information that we are not privy to?
Ask questions...don't leave known scammers to attempt character assassination based on weak sauce evidence

" very likely for malicious intent" 

Too strong and too viscous based on the evidence presented.  "Possible danger"  or " less secure"  okay fine. Very likely Malicious  intent NO.

The immediate support from nullius was predictable Smiley 
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April 18, 2020, 09:31:11 AM
#46
Would I be right in assuming it's not the existence of forkcoins you oppose, but rather just the false advertising part to sucker in new users?  Because I'd argue that being opposed to forks unconditionally simply isn't practical.  If people vehemently want to incorporate ideas into Bitcoin that are fundamentally incompatible with its underlying principles, do we really want them to stick around forever, still desperately trying to inflict their delusions on the Bitcoin protocol?  Surely it's better to excrete such toxins?  It's never "dilution" to release waste.  Let them build their faulty clones and pretend it's the real thing.  I'd argue it's still preferable to an alternative outcome where no forks had taken place and the toxic "blocksize debate", instead of being a footnote in the annals of history like it is now, had still raged on to this day because those people never got what they believed they wanted.

The fact they still market their shitcoins as "Bitcoin" is inexcusable, but they're off doing their own thing now, leaving us to get on unopposed with our thing.  
Forks are good, forks claiming that they are Bitcoin or have Bitcoin in their name are evil (even if they were 100x technologically superior) and anyone making pro-such-fork-statements is evil too.
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April 18, 2020, 09:28:10 AM
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I had kind of noticed the parts about some questionable deviance into being sympathetic into shitcoins and nonsense BIG blocker theories, but sometimes it is NOT clear about the various connections and maybe they do not matter too much in the whole scheme of things and if I feel that I am able to engage within the forum and share ideas, mostly about bitcoin, then I am good...

Jay, I think that it would be a real eye-opener (and ultimately beneficial to Bitcoin) if you were to do a market analysis to estimate approximately where Bitcoin should be today, were it not for the fork-attacks.  Bitcoin’s “honey badger” power in resisting those attacks has been phenomenal; but where would we be without those attacks?

I am now arguing from a business perspective.  Any reasonable prospectus on Bitcoin must disclose that Bitcoin’s biggest vulnerability is fork-attacks, also known as the trust attack.  Any reasonable investor should recognize it as in his own self-interest to fight those attacks.  The forked shitcoins falsely advertised as “Bitcoin” will, in and of themselves, never amount to anything in the long term; they are purely a negative, which harms the market as a whole by intentionally, fraudulently diluting the “Bitcoin” brand and financially diluting Bitcoin’s market capitalization. and reducing overall investor confidence in Bitcoin’s uniqueness.  To invest exclusively in the one and only genuine Bitcoin, and to defend your investment by defending Bitcoin against dilution attacks, is a strategy perfectly matched in both principle and practicality.

Would I be right in assuming it's not the existence of forkcoins you oppose, but rather just the false advertising part to sucker in new users?  Because I'd argue that being opposed to forks unconditionally simply isn't practical.  If people vehemently want to incorporate ideas into Bitcoin that are fundamentally incompatible with its underlying principles, do we really want them to stick around forever, still desperately trying to inflict their delusions on the Bitcoin protocol?  Surely it's better to excrete such toxins?  It's never "dilution" to release waste.  Let them build their faulty clones and pretend it's the real thing.  I'd argue it's still preferable to an alternative outcome where no forks had taken place and the toxic "blocksize debate", instead of being a footnote in the annals of history like it is now, had still raged on to this day because those people never got what they believed they wanted.

The fact they still market their shitcoins as "Bitcoin" is inexcusable, but they're off doing their own thing now, leaving us to get on unopposed with our thing.  
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April 18, 2020, 09:27:31 AM
#44
I hope you mean the US.  THe northern people in North America are very intelligent - we manage to outperform the US in per capita production despite the hardships of living in a frozen wasteland.  Smiley
Sorry, I have corrected it. You are very right about this!
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April 18, 2020, 09:24:52 AM
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America and brains often don't correlate.

I hope you mean the US.  THe northern people in North America are very intelligent - we manage to outperform the US in per capita production despite the hardships of living in a frozen wasteland.  Smiley
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April 18, 2020, 09:19:14 AM
#42
Right now Cøbra is sitting back laughing because with this split he has absolutely zero obligations to the very people that think they're bitcoin bigshots in this thread. Sorry theymos.. 100% your baby now that you've nurtured and let fester.
AmericaThe US and brains often don't correlate.
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April 18, 2020, 09:16:37 AM
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Right now Cøbra is sitting back laughing because with this split he has absolutely zero obligations to the very people that think they're bitcoin bigshots in this thread. Sorry theymos.. 100% your baby now that you've nurtured and let fester.
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April 18, 2020, 09:08:41 AM
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Is Cøbra seriously pretending not to know the meaning of the term “neutral” in the context of forum feedback?  Roll Eyes

I myself have been critical of the avoidance of responsibility for substantively negative neutral feedback based on only rumour and innuendo.  But that is clearly not what is happening here.  Lauda made a well-supported observation, and marked it as “neutral”.  Why is Cøbra deliberately confusing the issue by speaking as if she red-tagged him?

Also, it’s always nice to see whom the troll brigade is defending.  Anyway, as to the substance of the matter...



They won't ever talk about how much I've done to fight off many attacks, or when people were pressuring me to hand over the domain to the Bitcoin Foundation because it was more "respectable" and legitimate seeming, and I resisted because the foundation seemed shady (back then very few people realized it).

If you showed the foresight and wise judgment to distrust the clusterfork misadvertised as the so-called “Bitcoin Foundation”, then you should damn well know why people are worried about the potential that you may turn out to be another Gavin Andresen.

I so note this as the first and, thus far, only person who has red-tagged Gavin’s forum account.  Yes, that is symbolic; but if people won’t step up even that much...  Anyway, I think my point is clear about why people do not trust you to exclusively control bitcoin-dot-org:


References:
https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/929377620000681984
https://twitter.com/CobraBitcoin/status/1023566782001541120
https://twitter.com/CobraBitcoin/status/1037102542537334785
https://twitter.com/CobraBitcoin/status/1036652944916140032




Bitcoin.org was one of the most extreme and hostile towards these hard fork attacks: like here https://bitcoin.org/en/posts/denounce-segwit2x, and here, https://bitcoin.org/en/posts/hard-fork-policy. I was fervently against attempts like Bitcoin XT, BU, Segwit2x, etc, anyone who was around at the time will remember how aggressive Bitcoin.org and I were.

I was around at the time; and I do recall that it was specifically the “denounce-segwit2x” page linked above that gave bitcoin.org sufficient ongoing credibility for me to continue recommending it to newbies.

Should you doubt how hard I myself was against S2X particularly, back in 2017:

Traitors always evoke an intense feeling of horror and personal violation in those who trusted them.  Whenever I think of jgarzik, I think of dooglus’ comment which I memorialized in this screenshot when I was a Newbie, when I had been actively posting for less than five days:  What have you done with the old jgarzik and how much will it cost us to buy him back?  This was when 2X tried to subvert the Bitcoin P2P network; committer: jgarzik, whose code is not trustworthy.  Read that 28ebbdb commit for details.  Underhanded bastard.


[...]

Another one of my Newbie posts, from when I had been actively posting for seventeen days:

You fork, you die.

Genuine Bitcoin has crushed numerous forks and attempted forks:  “Bitcoin XT”, “Bitcoin Unlimited”, “Bitcoin Classic”, and the “New York Agreement” (misnamed “Segwit2X”; nothing to do with Segwit), to name but a few.  These no longer exist.  For the current outbreak of forks, if you wish to claim some fork coins, then dump them in exchange for real Bitcoin, and enjoy your free bitcoins.  Otherwise, simply ignore.  Anything from “Bitcoin Cash” to “Bitcoin Super Diamond Plus2X Plutonium With Ponies” is only a scam; and these scams will die sooner or later, just as did their antecedents.

Loading nya/tombstone.jpg...

There are many pretenders to the Bitcoin title.  However:

There is only one Bitcoin.
(Note:  Quote changed to refer to an imgur upload of the image that I originally obtained from http://segwit.party/nya/tombstone.jpg)

That tombstone could also read:  Here lies Jeff Garzik’s reputation in Bitcoinland.

Whereas Gavin Andresen is worse, much worse.



Their attempts to takeover Bitcoin would probably have had a much higher probability of success had I sided with them. If you're going to convincingly take over Bitcoin maliciously, you need 3 things: the miners so you can claim to have the most secure chain and have a stable blockchain (they had 80% of the hash rate), the consumer facing companies and exchanges so you can present your hard fork as Bitcoin to users (they had a lot of the companies backing them), and key public facing resources of trust like Bitcoin.org, that give you legitimacy and an endless number of incoming users from people searching "Bitcoin" through which you can gradually rebuild a new "Bitcoin community". The fact that they didn't have that hurt them a lot.

Within the four corners of what I just quoted, it is a good analysis.  However, you are drawing a false dichotomy between the threat of XT/BU/2X types of fork-attacks, and the threat of BCH/BSV/“Bitcoin Super Diamond Gold Mauve” types of fork-attacks.

Both are destructive to Bitcoin.  Both are based on lies, greed, and mass-manipulation.  This argument is like positing that it’s better for a cancer to metastasize outside the original tumour:

I would actually argue that Bitcoin Cash forking hurt the big blocker movement within Bitcoin pretty badly. Bitcoin Cash basically came out of nowhere, and many big blockers eventually kind of *had* to support it, after all the hard forks they tried in Bitcoin failed. Bitcoin Cash basically removed all the extreme big blockers from the Bitcoin community, it even took Roger Ver a little while to jump on board, but once they all did, it actually made Bitcoin safer as there was no longer a group of big blockers shouting a uniform narrative from within the Bitcoin community. Without Bitcoin Cash, we would have still had these extreme big blockers in the community for a lot longer.

Say what?

The real nightmare scenario is not these coins with Bitcoin in the name damaging trust, but a world in which there are disagreements over the name "Bitcoin" itself.

Have you not been around for long enough to see all the “Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin” arguments? Roll Eyes

ill say it here...BITCOIN CASH IS THE REAL BITCOIN

I got red trust because i speak the truth....This thread shows why many long term users are being tagged red, ...https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.24593043 , chk theymos comment.
Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/


Signature quoted to illustrate a point:  What’s with the martyrdom complex?

ASICBOOSTCOIN has the odour of a cult/sect.  Not even one of the fun ones:  I mean the boring kind of garden-variety cult whose messiah shears disciples of all their money, whereafter everybody commits mass suicide.  As such, it seems eerily appropriate that this scamcoin is fronted by a self-touted “Bitcoin Jesus”, Roger Ver.

That is one of my “Newbie” posts, from the same thread as:

Bitcoin Cash was spawned from the Bitcoin blockchain, and as such, maybe it should be allowed to use the word "Bitcoin" with a qualifying suffix.
No. Bitcoin Cash is nothing other than a blatant scam.

I quote that specifically because n.b. that Jet Cash is neither a n00b nor a shill.  That makes it particularly alarming that he would fall for this type of scam argument.



No matter how much you try to trick users, if the first Bitcoin site started by Satoshi himself, and mentioned in the whitepaper is calling your hard fork a fake, it's really hard to build legitimacy.

Although bitcoin.org is a very influential site (and we would not be otherwise having this discussion), the set of all people who know that bitcoin-dot-org is “the first Bitcoin site started by Satoshi himself” is numerically minuscule relative to the set of all people who see bitcoin-dot-com as legitimate because it is the Dot-Com.

Ultimately, what has actively stopped BCH from winning the public-relations mindshare war is that an unorganized, decentralized cadre of Bitcoiners who have pushed back unequivocally.  This set very visibly includes Greg Maxwell, and also his former colleagues at Blockstream—Dr. Back, et al.  It very visibly includes laanwj and harding, whom Lauda mentioned.  It very visibly does not include you, the exclusive controller of bitcoin-dot-org.

And about your screenshots of the Slack chats: I don't really see anything wrong there to be honest with you. It's funny how Adam Back was so hostile to me back then about me seeing some good things in Bitcoin Cash because I always thought a blockchain that sacrifices some decentralization in order to be able to handle more transactions was kind of necessary, and now he's out there pushing Blockstream's Liquid which is literally a sidechain controlled by companies in which your BTC gets morphed and required to be held in trust by federation partners so you can get the benefit of quicker transactions since blocks are more regular.

The day that Blockstream starts pushing Liquid as something other than a private commercial venture that is complementary to Bitcoin, primarily for the handling of non-Bitcoin assets, is the day that I unequivocally condemn Blockstream and everybody involved in it.  Whereas there are no indications of any such thing; and as it stands, Blockstream has a stainless track record for promoting privacy, decentralization, solid Bitcoin R&D, and Lightning.  (Also as a coder, I appreciate the cleanliness of their open-source code.)  Thus your statement is basically FUD on Dr. Back, Dr. Wuille, and their current and former colleagues at Blockstream.

To be execruciatingly clear, I don’t trust Blockstream!  To anyone with technical expertise, their self-evident agenda is, “Don’t trust us:  Keep Bitcoin trustless.”  I like that:  Keep down the blocksize so that ordinary people can keep running nodes (I say this with real-world experience needing to run Bitcoin on inexpensive hardware), and promote Lightning as the future of scaling and privacy.  For as long as that remains the agenda demonstrated by their actions and their code (not merely their words), I will continue to defend Blockstream’s reputation in public discussions.

(I have been intending to write a forum essay about this.  Disclosure:  I have no affiliation with Dr. Back, other than that I always liked his cypherpunks stuff, and I first discovered Hashcash in the 90s.)

Whereas, with a different emphasis:

And about your screenshots of the Slack chats: I don't really see anything wrong there to be honest with you. It's funny how Adam Back was so hostile to me back then about me seeing some good things in Bitcoin Cash because I always thought a blockchain that sacrifices some decentralization in order to be able to handle more transactions was kind of necessary

Thanks for clarifying.  The highlighted portion is exactly why people don’t trust you to be the exclusive controller of bitcoin-dot-org.

More or less the reason people don't trust me is because I said some good things about Bitcoin Cash a while ago, that's all it boils down too. They don't actually have a reason beyond that,

We don’t actually need a reason beyond that.

and their calls for me to transfer the domain to others are intended to push me out because they fear me.

Fear has nothing to do with it, I assure you.

They'd rather have someone in control of bitcoin.org who is easier to manipulate and who bends to groupthink and public pressure more easily.

laanwj et al. bend to groupthink and public pressure?  LOL.  Try pushing them around, and see how far you get.


Edit 2020-04-22:  Fixed a very embarrassing typo.  Alas, I erred!  :-(
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April 18, 2020, 09:08:01 AM
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I handed bitcointalk.org over to theymos because; I trust him and his judgement, and I was not really active on the forum anyway. You can question my trust all you like, but I have been in a position for a long time to screw over you guys if I wanted too, but I didn't. Some users will instinctively understand that and ignore the nonsense you're spouting off, others will get sucked in, but either way I don't really care and I'm going to continue to do my best to help Bitcoin succeed.
How about you take yourself away from the position rather than boasting how you could but didn't do evil? Quite the accomplishment, only if you are actually evil. Thankfully your reputation is damaged beyond repair (it is nowhere near where it was a couple years back), and can only get worse given your failure to comply to the greater good.

teeGUMES you are an idiot, but go figure. Maybe merit some Hearnia and Andersonia too while you are at it.
Cute ninja edit Lauda (emphasis mine to show Lauda's edit, quoted by Cøbra but then Foxpup merited it after Lauda's personal attack). Goes to show how your opinion sways when Foxpup, DdmrDdmr and others merit the post aswell. Scaredy cat.

What the coward changed it to once their friends started to merit.

Not a post worth meriting.

Cøbra sums you up perfectly here Lauda so no need for me to repeat anything. This is truly believed by well over half of the forum.
Take a look at the words you're using; "comply", "evil", "greater good", and insulting random users because they gave merit to one of my posts, how insecure, immature and ignorant are you? What are you so scared of? It's you that's the villain; screaming at me to comply, making demands, and aggressively smearing projects that have done more good for Bitcoin than you ever will. Shame on you.

It's people like you that make this forum so unwelcoming. By the way, thanks for your negative trust feedback, funny that you only mustered up the courage to do that after I was no longer owner of bitcointalk.org, perhaps you understood negative trusting the owner of the domain of the very site you're using would be comical.
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April 18, 2020, 09:05:02 AM
#38
Anyone reading the actually comment would not agree. Very likely you are a pedo? Is that neutral enough for you?
How would you view that under the guise of a neutral tag?
Not that i believe you are, but I hope you get the point
As long as it's not negative and puts a -1 in my account to new members - people can write whatever they want in feedback - it's not moderated.  
The exact point of neutrals is that you can rant whatever you want in there, anything that is not a valid reason to give somebody a negative. Theymoses rules.
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April 18, 2020, 09:02:59 AM
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Anyone reading the actually comment would not agree. Very likely you are a pedo? Is that neutral enough for you?
How would you view that under the guise of a neutral tag?
Not that i believe you are, but I hope you get the point

As long as it's not negative and puts a -1 in my account to new members - people can write whatever they want in feedback - it's not moderated.  
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April 18, 2020, 09:01:17 AM
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It's 100% not a neutral comment.

It 101% is - negative comments are in red.  

Anyone reading the actual comment would not agree. Very likely you are a pedo? Is that neutral enough for you?
How would you view that under the guise of a neutral tag?
Not that i believe you are, but I hope you get the point
Vod
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April 18, 2020, 08:57:35 AM
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It's 100% not a neutral comment.

It 101% is - negative comments are in red
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April 18, 2020, 08:56:31 AM
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It's people like you that make this forum so unwelcoming. By the way, thanks for your negative trust feedback
It is neutral feedback

Doesn't sound very neutral to me:

Lauda did enter it as neutral, and he is the one who best understands the tone of his feedback.  

This centralized DT system is broken (Techy is proof).  Maybe the new system will use AI and auto generate the feedback type based on the tone.  Until then, we should view trust as it was intended by the person leaving it.   We ALL know the difference to accounts for a negative vs neutral rating.

It's 100% not a neutral comment.

Lauda is known for lashing out using the trust system as a weapon.
The merit system is totally broken. Trust is being conflated with merit.

Nobody in their right mind would have lauda anywhere near a trust system.

This is a character assassination and is totally the wrong way to approach this matter.
If you want cobra to be reasonable then you are going the wrong way about it.

Best case he and theymos revert things to how they were.

Who suggested it theymos or cobra first?
Either way best to debate this change without a scammer like lauda going full hate on the new sole controller of bitcoin.org.
Lose lose
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April 18, 2020, 08:49:26 AM
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It's people like you that make this forum so unwelcoming. By the way, thanks for your negative trust feedback
It is neutral feedback

Doesn't sound very neutral to me:

Lauda did enter it as neutral, and he is the one who best understands the tone of his feedback.  

This centralized DT system is broken (Techy is proof).  Maybe the new system will use AI and auto generate the feedback type based on the tone.  Until then, we should view trust as it was intended by the person leaving it.   We ALL know the difference to accounts for a negative vs neutral rating.
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April 18, 2020, 08:47:16 AM
#32
It's people like you that make this forum so unwelcoming. By the way, thanks for your negative trust feedback, funny that you only mustered up the courage to do that after I was no longer owner of bitcointalk.org, perhaps you understood negative trusting the owner of the domain of the very site you're using would be comical.
It is neutral feedback. Lying, as expected of you. Roll Eyes I did not do anything out of respect for theymoses mistakes, one of which was trusting you very early on. This is no longer necessary.
Doesn't sound very neutral to me:
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Refused to decentralize Bitcoin.org control very likely due to long term malicious goals. I would not trust this user until proven otherwise (Not doing evil is not proof of good).
No, you didn't do anything before because you were scared it would have consequences for you (it wouldn't have), or that it would make you look stupid (it would), so you only acted now, which is cute.
You could have not done anything and you know it, because I have known it for a long time. Try again. "Random", I wish.
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April 18, 2020, 08:47:01 AM
#31
I handed bitcointalk.org over to theymos because; I trust him and his judgement, and I was not really active on the forum anyway. You can question my trust all you like, but I have been in a position for a long time to screw over you guys if I wanted too, but I didn't. Some users will instinctively understand that and ignore the nonsense you're spouting off, others will get sucked in, but either way I don't really care and I'm going to continue to do my best to help Bitcoin succeed.
How about you take yourself away from the position rather than boasting how you could but didn't do evil? Quite the accomplishment, only if you are actually evil. Thankfully your reputation is damaged beyond repair (it is nowhere near where it was a couple years back), and can only get worse given your failure to comply to the greater good. Absence of evil is not proof of good.

1. If theymos who knows him better than you trusts him enough to hand it to him?
2. If he has had opportunities before to sabotage but has not done so?
3. Many years he has been solid in terms of correctly defending btc as bitcoin?

I will not heed the warnings of a proven scammer like you lauda nor the old perv nullius that seems to be their first to support your every whim over the judgement of theymos and the key points listed above. Also cobras post seems level headed and courteous in light of the snipes at him.

The only slight worry is that GM seemed not to be in the loop, because I would have assumed theymos and cobra may have mentioned the idea to him prior. Without hearing his detailed objections it is impossible to analyse and evaluate them.

I expect many will continue to use bitcoin.org

I accept there is risk in having a sole individual controlling bitcoin.org, but this hachette job a scumbag scammer and extortionist like lauda and that old perv nullius that follows lauda around are attempting is grotesque and unfair.

Let's hear theymos reasoning and GM  reasoning on it in detail before we start butchering a guys reputation to get what "we" think is best. Perhaps there are set in place some measures we are not aware of.

I don't see cobra has done anything against bitcoin that deserves this kind of abuse by the likes of lauda.

I liked it best when cobra and theymos shared ownership of both. I think both have served bitcoin well to this point so no need to start attacking either one in this way.

For sure it seems undeniably more risky for a sole controller, but character assassination is not fair at this point. You are likely to get a more desirable result with a reasonable and honest person if you treat them reasonably.

Lauda seems to be pushing cobra out all together that is not the way to approach it.

If the community really really disliked the idea,  Its possible they may reconsider.

End of the day I don't immediately see how this is better for bitcoin but I will hear more details of the concerns from trusted and solid members before becoming super concerned.  It does seem a very big change.




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