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April 18, 2020, 08:44:03 AM
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It's people like you that make this forum so unwelcoming. By the way, thanks for your negative trust feedback, funny that you only mustered up the courage to do that after I was no longer owner of bitcointalk.org, perhaps you understood negative trusting the owner of the domain of the very site you're using would be comical.
It is neutral feedback. Lying, as expected of you. Roll Eyes I did not do anything out of respect for theymoses mistakes, one of which was trusting you very early on. This is no longer necessary.

Doesn't sound very neutral to me:
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Refused to decentralize Bitcoin.org control very likely due to long term malicious goals. I would not trust this user until proven otherwise (Not doing evil is not proof of good).

No, you didn't do anything before because you were scared it would have consequences for you (it wouldn't have), or that it would make you look stupid (it would), so you only acted now, which is cute.
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April 18, 2020, 08:43:45 AM
#29
Sad to see Cøbra downing the control towards an important aspect of the Bitcoin ecosystem.

More than imaginable number of users still see many of his works towards maintaing some important aspects of Bitcoin to be over the mark and think him being more creditable than he is now.

Sad update though.
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April 18, 2020, 08:33:59 AM
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My reputation is fine, most people just don't care about these things
Living in a cave or refusing to admit it, either way works. Keep at it. Nobody respectable in this space, familiar with your words and actions, trusts you with $5.

It's people like you that make this forum so unwelcoming. By the way, thanks for your negative trust feedback, funny that you only mustered up the courage to do that after I was no longer owner of bitcointalk.org, perhaps you understood negative trusting the owner of the domain of the very site you're using would be comical.
It is neutral feedback. Lying, as expected of you. Roll Eyes I did not do anything out of respect for theymos and his mistakes, one of which was trusting you very early on. This is no longer necessary.
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April 18, 2020, 08:30:45 AM
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I handed bitcointalk.org over to theymos because; I trust him and his judgement, and I was not really active on the forum anyway. You can question my trust all you like, but I have been in a position for a long time to screw over you guys if I wanted too, but I didn't. Some users will instinctively understand that and ignore the nonsense you're spouting off, others will get sucked in, but either way I don't really care and I'm going to continue to do my best to help Bitcoin succeed.
How about you take yourself away from the position rather than boasting how you could but didn't do evil? Quite the accomplishment, only if you are actually evil. Thankfully your reputation is damaged beyond repair (it is nowhere near where it was a couple years back), and can only get worse given your failure to comply to the greater good.

teeGUMES you are an idiot, but go figure. Maybe merit some Hearnia and Andersonia too while you are at it.

My reputation is fine, most people just don't care about these things. Even if it was damaged beyond repair, being liked by random people on the internet isn't something I strive for. Who cares?

Take a look at the words you're using; "comply", "evil", "greater good", and insulting random users because they gave merit to one of my posts, how insecure, immature and ignorant are you? What are you so scared of? It's you that's the villain; screaming at me to comply, making demands, and aggressively smearing projects that have done more good for Bitcoin than you ever will. Shame on you.

It's people like you that make this forum so unwelcoming. By the way, thanks for your negative trust feedback, funny that you only mustered up the courage to do that after I was no longer owner of bitcointalk.org, perhaps you understood negative trusting the owner of the domain of the very site you're using would be comical.
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April 18, 2020, 08:25:23 AM
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I think peeps need to step back a step or two and be calm. There were a lot of times that bitcoin.org could've gone wrong but ultimately didn't. I think maybe some folks are assigning too much retrospective probability to Cøbra's potential to be malign. Functionally and operationally, and especially authoritatively nothing's changed, far as I can tell..? Right?

I think Cøbra says things a lot of the time that are ill-considered or appear to look one way or another; there was that odd security warning a few years back for example, but so far at least, either something has been moderating his response, or he's been arriving at an ultimately correct decision to act on his own. In the first case, hopefully whoever that is can continue to offer advice. In the second case, something in there has prevented him from heading towards e.g. bcash all on his own.

I think even Cøbra himself would agree that downloading the client from bitcoin.org is probably not the best idea. And probably distributing information about Bitcoin out to other places is also almost certainly a good idea.

If I were Cøbra sitting on that asset, emboldened by the fact that people have to listen to me or perceived repercussions are impossibly severe (would anyone care if he didn't control bitcoin.org?) — tbh, the constant abuse from people I respected would probably be wearing on me by now.
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April 18, 2020, 07:48:37 AM
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I handed bitcointalk.org over to theymos because; I trust him and his judgement, and I was not really active on the forum anyway. You can question my trust all you like, but I have been in a position for a long time to screw over you guys if I wanted too, but I didn't. Some users will instinctively understand that and ignore the nonsense you're spouting off, others will get sucked in, but either way I don't really care and I'm going to continue to do my best to help Bitcoin succeed.
How about you take yourself away from the position rather than boasting how you could but didn't do evil? Quite the accomplishment, only if you are actually evil. Thankfully your reputation is damaged beyond repair (it is nowhere near where it was a couple years back), and can only get worse given your failure to comply to the greater good. Absence of evil is not proof of good.
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April 18, 2020, 07:01:47 AM
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I am now arguing from a business perspective.  Any reasonable prospectus on Bitcoin must disclose that Bitcoin’s biggest vulnerability is fork-attacks, also known as the trust attack.  Any reasonable investor should recognize it as in his own self-interest to fight those attacks.  The forked shitcoins falsely advertised as “Bitcoin” will, in and of themselves, never amount to anything in the long term; they are purely a negative, which harms the market as a whole by intentionally, fraudulently diluting the “Bitcoin” brand and financially diluting Bitcoin’s market capitalization. and reducing overall investor confidence in Bitcoin’s uniqueness.  To invest exclusively in the one and only genuine Bitcoin, and to defend your investment by defending Bitcoin against dilution attacks, is a strategy perfectly matched in both principle and practicality.

Whereas Cøbra is perfectly positioned to stab Bitcoin in the back.  He is a trusted party for a vital public relations channel—one to which such well-intended people as LoyceV (and unfortunately, I myself) have been referring newbies.  If Cøbra were just some guy posting his opinions on the Internet, it would be a different matter.  Whereas the trusted party exclusively controlling a website with major public mindshare is known to be at best equivocal—at best:

Wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. These forked coins are not Bitcoin's biggest vulnerability, I would actually argue that Bitcoin Cash forking hurt the big blocker movement within Bitcoin pretty badly. Bitcoin Cash basically came out of nowhere, and many big blockers eventually kind of *had* to support it, after all the hard forks they tried in Bitcoin failed. Bitcoin Cash basically removed all the extreme big blockers from the Bitcoin community, it even took Roger Ver a little while to jump on board, but once they all did, it actually made Bitcoin safer as there was no longer a group of big blockers shouting a uniform narrative from within the Bitcoin community. Without Bitcoin Cash, we would have still had these extreme big blockers in the community for a lot longer. The forked coins with "Bitcoin" in the name are mostly harmless. As far as I'm aware, basically every place where you actually can purchase Bitcoin is clear to present BTC as Bitcoin, and everything else as "Bitcoin Cash" or "Bitcoin SV", etc. Users don't ever really get confused, they quickly intuitively understand that Bitcoin is what they really want, and everything else is some kind of derivative.

The real risk to Bitcoin was in the hard fork attacks which were supported by most of the major consumer companies and exchanges and were aimed to takeover Bitcoin completely. A lot of the companies that didn't support it explicitly would have also jumped on board once the hard fork actually won. It was essentially a corporate attempt to takeover Bitcoin, with decision making power shifted from open source developers to a handful of big companies. Had they won, Bitcoin would still get developed and worked on, but ultimately it would have been them guiding the development in ways that favor their interests. Over time the community would have also shifted and been brainwashed to accept the new reality.

Bitcoin.org was one of the most extreme and hostile towards these hard fork attacks: like here https://bitcoin.org/en/posts/denounce-segwit2x, and here, https://bitcoin.org/en/posts/hard-fork-policy. I was fervently against attempts like Bitcoin XT, BU, Segwit2x, etc, anyone who was around at the time will remember how aggressive Bitcoin.org and I were. We removed wallets from companies that supported the hard forks. We removed the exchanges. We notified users with big notices at the top of the site, had I wanted to "backstab" Bitcoin this was my chance, especially when some of these companies and people approached me in private to try to "turn me", but I still was vocally hostile and did everything I could to damage them. So did theymos, and he will back me up on this that all my private communications with him showed me to be someone who above all was concerned with Bitcoin being co-opted and fought as hard as I could to resist it. And yet shamefully, people like you with no knowledge of anything are so quick to present me as a risk or threat.

Their attempts to takeover Bitcoin would probably have had a much higher probability of success had I sided with them. If you're going to convincingly take over Bitcoin maliciously, you need 3 things: the miners so you can claim to have the most secure chain and have a stable blockchain (they had 80% of the hash rate), the consumer facing companies and exchanges so you can present your hard fork as Bitcoin to users (they had a lot of the companies backing them), and key public facing resources of trust like Bitcoin.org, that give you legitimacy and an endless number of incoming users from people searching "Bitcoin" through which you can gradually rebuild a new "Bitcoin community". The fact that they didn't have that hurt them a lot. No matter how much you try to trick users, if the first Bitcoin site started by Satoshi himself, and mentioned in the whitepaper is calling your hard fork a fake, it's really hard to build legitimacy.

The real nightmare scenario is not these coins with Bitcoin in the name damaging trust, but a world in which there are disagreements over the name "Bitcoin" itself. Imagine a world in which a user learns about Bitcoin through Bitcoin.org, then goes on Coinbase and buys "Bitcoin", and then hears on Twitter or Reddit that what they bought was not Bitcoin, and then finds out about this software called Bitcoin Core and a community of people claiming *that* to be the real Bitcoin, and then finds an exchange like Bitstamp and buys something else called "Bitcoin" on there which some people say is the real Bitcoin. Then this user interacts on social media with folks, never knowing which is the real Bitcoin since at that point it would be hard to answer. We got very close to that being our world had me and others not done everything we could to damage these hard fork attempts.

And about your screenshots of the Slack chats: I don't really see anything wrong there to be honest with you. It's funny how Adam Back was so hostile to me back then about me seeing some good things in Bitcoin Cash because I always thought a blockchain that sacrifices some decentralization in order to be able to handle more transactions was kind of necessary, and now he's out there pushing Blockstream's Liquid which is literally a sidechain controlled by companies in which your BTC gets morphed and required to be held in trust by federation partners so you can get the benefit of quicker transactions since blocks are more regular.

More or less the reason people don't trust me is because I said some good things about Bitcoin Cash a while ago, that's all it boils down too. They don't actually have a reason beyond that, and their calls for me to transfer the domain to others are intended to push me out because they fear me. They'd rather have someone in control of bitcoin.org who is easier to manipulate and who bends to groupthink and public pressure more easily. They won't ever talk about how much I've done to fight off many attacks, or when people were pressuring me to hand over the domain to the Bitcoin Foundation because it was more "respectable" and legitimate seeming, and I resisted because the foundation seemed shady (back then very few people realized it).

I handed bitcointalk.org over to theymos because; I trust him and his judgement, and I was not really active on the forum anyway. You can question my trust all you like, but I have been in a position for a long time to screw over you guys if I wanted too, but I didn't. Some users will instinctively understand that and ignore the nonsense you're spouting off, others will get sucked in, but either way I don't really care and I'm going to continue to do my best to help Bitcoin succeed.
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April 18, 2020, 06:38:29 AM
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It's funny to hint I'm malicious or untrustworthy, despite managing these domains for years without any wrongdoing. I remember when these same people were hinting at me eventually turning bitcoin.org into a Bitcoin Cash site, yet it never happened, but it didn't stop them scaremongering and screaming about it like it was inevitable. Now here people are, hinting at some vague notion of me being untrustworthy, despite me safely and without incident handing the domain over to theymos. I think this is a problem with some people on this forum in general, they just assume everyone is malicious and some scammer, unless said user is in their clique.

The truth is, while you are spinning up nonsense and trying to spook people and smearing bitcoin.org's reputation, we are educating tens of thousands of new users each day. Millions of users learn about Bitcoin with us yearly, we send so much traffic to exchanges and wallets it's ridiculous, all of which translates into expanding the Bitcoin community. When you measure the objective good Bitcoin.org has done for Bitcoin over many years, it becomes really hard to trash it. You can find flaws in the best of people, MLK was a plagiarist, Gandhi was a racist in his youth, Mandela literally blew up civilians, but judgements about people and entities are generally done by subtracting some abstract idea of total good by total bad.

With respect to Greg's comments, I don't really know what he's hinting at either. My interactions with Greg have bounced between courteous and hostile over the years. I'm really confused by his response. I would hazard a guess that he generally doesn't trust me, and that he prefers bitcoin.org be owned by someone he's associated more intimately with.
How about you give up singular control to shared control by known and honest individuals such as Wladimir, harding and others? Oh right, we have tried this before and you refused. There is absolutely not a single valid good reason (opposite of evil in this context) why you would not want to do this. Purely virtuous you are, surely I am mistaken. Roll Eyes

Not a post worth meriting.

I have no particular feelings other than Cobra's proclamations seem to come from several different people depending on the time of day, or lunar cycles. I'd rather someone that erratic, or easily rented out, is nowhere near controlling an important resource.
Correct. For quite some time I have spent giving out the following consultations to both individuals and companies (in order of severity and danger): Do not use or touch: BSV website, the Bcash website, Bitcoin.org.
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April 18, 2020, 06:33:14 AM
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I have no particular feelings other than Cobra's proclamations seem to come from several different people depending on the time of day, or lunar cycles. I'd rather someone that erratic, or easily rented out, is nowhere near controlling an important resource.
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April 18, 2020, 05:55:41 AM
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It's only first page and the discussion already derailed from (domain ownership to Cøbra action/reputation)

And the two subjects are not inextricably entwined when a single individual is trusted to control one of the most important Bitcoin websites, because...?




You should download Bitcoin Core only from https://bitcoincore.org. Please stop giving bad information on Core related matters. Thanks.

Unfortunately you are giving bad advice here. You shouldn't trust a particular domain name to download Bitcoin Core at all, not bitcoin.org, or bitcoincore.org, or Github. You can download Bitcoin Core from just about anywhere safely, so long as you verify the signatures are valid, something I always urge users to do. Don't trust particular domain names, ever.

I have made the mistake of referring newbies to bitcoin-dot-org, because it is more newbie-friendly (i.e., glitzy Web 2.0 style that breaks in my browser) than good old-fashioned bitcoincore.org.

I myself will STOP DOING THAT.

For years, for my own purposes, I have depended primarily on bitcoincore.org (onion) and the Github site for code, plus bitcoin-dev and this forum for information.  Observe that the Github project links to bitcoincore.org, not bitcoin.org.

Why did you cut from your quotation the part where I said this?

Of course, it does not matter where you get your download, if you verify the integrity of your download using strong cryptography.  But let’s start by referring people to the download site that is actually run by Core.

That was edited in; but that edit was done within a few minutes after I posted, long before your reply.  (I also wanted to add links to two of my favourite websites, Gitian and Reproducible Builds; but I figured that may overwhelm nontechnical people who are just looking for the place to download Bitcoin.)

I question your judgement directing newbies to bitcoincore.org, a plain site with no real information about what Bitcoin actually is.

It offers the best place for people to download Bitcoin Core.

As a practical matter, I have spent 20+ years fighting to get people to actually verify digital signatures, etc.  I have been pushing that particular issue since long before Bitcoin even existed.  I know that people do not actually verify things; therefore, it is important to minimize potential damage by referring people to a better source which, by the way, has better information than bitcoin-dot-org does on verifying downloads.  See the link in my above quote about verifying the integrity of downloads.

There are plenty of good resources for newbies, bitcoincore.org definitely isn't one of them. Personally I find bitcoin.org the best for newbies, since it's well established, translated into a ton of languages, guides users through a linear process to learn about Bitcoin, has a good wallet picker to point users to the right wallet based on their needs, etc.

What guarantees that bitcoin-dot-org will stay the same tomorrow?  Your personal integrity alone?

It's funny to hint I'm malicious or untrustworthy, despite managing these domains for years without any wrongdoing. I remember when these same people were hinting at me eventually turning bitcoin.org into a Bitcoin Cash site, yet it never happened, but it didn't stop them scaremongering and screaming about it like it was inevitable. Now here people are, hinting at some vague notion of me being untrustworthy, despite me safely and without incident handing the domain over to theymos. I think this is a problem with some people on this forum in general, they just assume everyone is malicious and some scammer, unless said user is in their clique.

Please advise:  If you yourself were not Cøbra, then would you trust this person to be the exclusive trusted party in control of the Bitcoin.org domain?  That is pretty much a yes-or-no question.  Be objective here.








Just e.g., from an imgur album, “Uploaded Jul 26 2018”.  Thanks to an anonymous little birdie for the tip.

The truth is, while you are spinning up nonsense and trying to spook people and smearing bitcoin.org's reputation, we are educating tens of thousands of new users each day. Millions of users learn about Bitcoin with us yearly, we send so much traffic to exchanges and wallets it's ridiculous, all of which translates into expanding the Bitcoin community. When you measure the objective good Bitcoin.org has done for Bitcoin over many years, it becomes really hard to trash it. You can find flaws in the best of people, MLK was a plagiarist, Gandhi was a racist in his youth, Mandela literally blew up civilians, but judgements about people and entities are generally done by subtracting some abstract idea of total good by total bad.

I question the judgment of anybody who thinks that that’s a good argument in your favour; but anyway...

Would you want for Bitcoin.org to be under the exclusive, trusted control of a single individual with the history of public statements that you have made, if you were not that individual?

You could do much for Bitcoin (and for your own reputation) by answering that question honestly, and acting accordingly.

With respect to Greg's comments, I don't really know what he's hinting at either. My interactions with Greg have bounced between courteous and hostile over the years. I'm really confused by his response. I would hazard a guess that he generally doesn't trust me, and that he prefers bitcoin.org be owned by someone he's associated more intimately with.

I would hazard a guess that many people would prefer for bitcoin.org to be not be exclusively under your control.

Bitcoin.org Domain Ownership #2548

https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/issues/2548#issuecomment-408711051
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April 18, 2020, 05:54:34 AM
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It's only first page and the discussion already derailed from (domain ownership to Cøbra action/reputation)

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April 18, 2020, 05:39:00 AM
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I am also concerned about this comment, it may be a little more explicit.

If he had wanted to elaborate explicitly, I think he would have.

Greg Maxwell is known for his general outspokenness.  If he is here being cryptic, I infer that he is choosing to be so.

An intriguing phrase of this nature (forecast of extreme winds towards Bitcoin) in the context of this thread made by one of the most recognized people in the forum, will always require an explanation of the meaning.
For my part, I take any GMax post, comment or opinion very seriously, in any direction.

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April 18, 2020, 05:21:59 AM
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You should download Bitcoin Core only from https://bitcoincore.org. Please stop giving bad information on Core related matters. Thanks.

Unfortunately you are giving bad advice here. You shouldn't trust a particular domain name to download Bitcoin Core at all, not bitcoin.org, or bitcoincore.org, or Github. You can download Bitcoin Core from just about anywhere safely, so long as you verify the signatures are valid, something I always urge users to do. Don't trust particular domain names, ever.

I have made the mistake of referring newbies to bitcoin-dot-org, because it is more newbie-friendly (i.e., glitzy Web 2.0 style that breaks in my browser) than good old-fashioned bitcoincore.org.

I myself will STOP DOING THAT.

For years, for my own purposes, I have depended primarily on bitcoincore.org (onion) and the Github site for code, plus bitcoin-dev and this forum for information.  Observe that the Github project links to bitcoincore.org, not bitcoin.org.

I question your judgement directing newbies to bitcoincore.org, a plain site with no real information about what Bitcoin actually is. There are plenty of good resources for newbies, bitcoincore.org definitely isn't one of them. Personally I find bitcoin.org the best for newbies, since it's well established, translated into a ton of languages, guides users through a linear process to learn about Bitcoin, has a good wallet picker to point users to the right wallet based on their needs, etc.

It's funny to hint I'm malicious or untrustworthy, despite managing these domains for years without any wrongdoing. I remember when these same people were hinting at me eventually turning bitcoin.org into a Bitcoin Cash site, yet it never happened, but it didn't stop them scaremongering and screaming about it like it was inevitable. Now here people are, hinting at some vague notion of me being untrustworthy, despite me safely and without incident handing the domain over to theymos. I think this is a problem with some people on this forum in general, they just assume everyone is malicious and some scammer, unless said user is in their clique.

The truth is, while you are spinning up nonsense and trying to spook people and smearing bitcoin.org's reputation, we are educating tens of thousands of new users each day. Millions of users learn about Bitcoin with us yearly, we send so much traffic to exchanges and wallets it's ridiculous, all of which translates into expanding the Bitcoin community. When you measure the objective good Bitcoin.org has done for Bitcoin over many years, it becomes really hard to trash it. You can find flaws in the best of people, MLK was a plagiarist, Gandhi was a racist in his youth, Mandela literally blew up civilians, but judgements about people and entities are generally done by subtracting some abstract idea of total good by total bad.

With respect to Greg's comments, I don't really know what he's hinting at either. My interactions with Greg have bounced between courteous and hostile over the years. I'm really confused by his response. I would hazard a guess that he generally doesn't trust me, and that he prefers bitcoin.org be owned by someone he's associated more intimately with.
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April 18, 2020, 05:18:29 AM
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In fairness, I don’t think it’s ipso facto wrong to use multiple identities.  (Cypherpunk here.)  The question is of intent.
It was never my intention to do so, but I would strongly argue that you do not want somebody doing that (very unlikely for virtuous reasons)

It is not a good sign when Cøbra speaks with a forked tongue, as Cøbra—in addition to that multiple-identity thing.

to be the sole owner and responsible person for Bitcoin.org.

I am much more worried by his equivocation over Btrash, of which I was hereto unaware due to my having slept for almost two years.  Equivocation is always a bad sign.

No, just no.

No argument from me here!




On Principled Practicality

oh and say fuck you to the shitcoiners once in a while, that tends to be a bonus.

Whereupon:

Essentially nobody trusts Cøbra except theymos and maybe a couple of bamboozled individuals. There is a reason for this, and there is a reason why many here have praised Cøbra when he has appeared here before: It is called ignorance.

I had kind of noticed the parts about some questionable deviance into being sympathetic into shitcoins and nonsense BIG blocker theories, but sometimes it is NOT clear about the various connections and maybe they do not matter too much in the whole scheme of things and if I feel that I am able to engage within the forum and share ideas, mostly about bitcoin, then I am good...

Jay, I think that it would be a real eye-opener (and ultimately beneficial to Bitcoin) if you were to do a market analysis to estimate approximately where Bitcoin should be today, were it not for the fork-attacks.  Bitcoin’s “honey badger” power in resisting those attacks has been phenomenal; but where would we be without those attacks?

I am now arguing from a business perspective.  Any reasonable prospectus on Bitcoin must disclose that Bitcoin’s biggest vulnerability is fork-attacks, also known as the trust attack.  Any reasonable investor should recognize it as in his own self-interest to fight those attacks.  The forked shitcoins falsely advertised as “Bitcoin” will, in and of themselves, never amount to anything in the long term; they are purely a negative, which harms the market as a whole by intentionally, fraudulently diluting the “Bitcoin” brand and financially diluting Bitcoin’s market capitalization. and reducing overall investor confidence in Bitcoin’s uniqueness.  To invest exclusively in the one and only genuine Bitcoin, and to defend your investment by defending Bitcoin against dilution attacks, is a strategy perfectly matched in both principle and practicality.

Whereas Cøbra is perfectly positioned to stab Bitcoin in the back.  He is a trusted party for a vital public relations channel—one to which such well-intended people as LoyceV (and unfortunately, I myself) have been referring newbies.  If Cøbra were just some guy posting his opinions on the Internet, it would be a different matter.  Whereas the trusted party exclusively controlling a website with major public mindshare is known to be at best equivocal—at best.  If he were deadly principled, it may arguably be a different matter; but he is obviously not, wherefore:

Next step: Cøbra to give up access to Bitcoin.org.
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April 18, 2020, 04:47:23 AM
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Next step: Cøbra to give up access to Bitcoin.org.

Do you believe that theymos and Cøbra should have attempted to maintain a connection between the sites or the operations?  
Essentially nobody trusts Cøbra except theymos and maybe a couple of bamboozled individuals. There is a reason for this, and there is a reason why many here have praised Cøbra when he has appeared here before: It is called ignorance.

I had kind of noticed the parts about some questionable deviance into being sympathetic into shitcoins and nonsense BIG blocker theories, but sometimes it is NOT clear about the various connections and maybe they do not matter too much in the whole scheme of things and if I feel that I am able to engage within the forum and share ideas, mostly about bitcoin, then I am good... oh and say fuck you to the shitcoiners once in a while, that tends to be a bonus..


I'm really sad to hear this. It seems like bitcoin faces such tremendous headwinds.

Thanks.

Surely, I do not understand enough to understand the significance of your comments.

I think you get it.



I am also concerned about this comment, it may be a little more explicit.

If he had wanted to elaborate explicitly, I think he would have.

Greg Maxwell is known for his general outspokenness.  If he is here being cryptic, I infer that he is choosing to be so.
 

I was going to suggest that there might have been some double meanings, and perhaps it is NOT necessary for me to attempt to explore any further.  Even with some ambiguity, I feel that matters are sufficiently less muddy for me anyhow.
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April 18, 2020, 04:32:19 AM
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How about the time he outed himself manipulating the public with multiple identities? Roll Eyes

In fairness, I don’t think it’s ipso facto wrong to use multiple identities.  (Cypherpunk here.)  The question is of intent.

I am much more worried by his equivocation over Btrash, of which I was hereto unaware due to my having slept for almost two years.  Equivocation is always a bad sign.
It was never my intention to do so, but I would strongly argue that you do not want somebody doing that (very unlikely for virtuous reasons) to be the sole owner and responsible person for Bitcoin.org. No, just no.
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April 18, 2020, 04:02:15 AM
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“Not your keys, not your coins.”

“Not your domain, not your website.”

The key difference is, of course, that a domain name is a (0) non-cryptographic identifier (1) under centralized control.  There is no avoiding that, unless you use only v3 onions, Namecoin, etc.  Still, it is critical to avoid reliance on domain names controlled by untrustworthy people such as, oh, say, Roger Ver.

E tu, Cøbra?



I'm really sad to hear this. It seems like bitcoin faces such tremendous headwinds.

Thanks.

Surely, I do not understand enough to understand the significance of your comments.

I think you get it.

I don't get it either. Please elaborate gmaxwell.

I am also concerned about this comment, it may be a little more explicit.

If he had wanted to elaborate explicitly, I think he would have.

Greg Maxwell is known for his general outspokenness.  If he is here being cryptic, I infer that he is choosing to be so.



And I wouldn't download Bitcoin Core anywhere else than Bitcoin.org anyway.

I have made the mistake of referring newbies to bitcoin-dot-org, because it is more newbie-friendly (i.e., glitzy Web 2.0 style that breaks in my browser) than good old-fashioned bitcoincore.org.

I myself will STOP DOING THAT.

For years, for my own purposes, I have depended primarily on bitcoincore.org (onion) and the Github site for code, plus bitcoin-dev and this forum for information.  Observe that the Github project links to bitcoincore.org, not bitcoin.org.

Of course, it does not matter where you get your download, if you verify the integrity of your download using strong cryptography.  But let’s start by referring people to the download site that is actually run by Core.

Please heed Lauda here.

Again: Wrong. You should download Bitcoin Core only from https://bitcoincore.org. Please stop giving bad information on Core related matters. Thanks.



How about the time he outed himself manipulating the public with multiple identities? Roll Eyes

In fairness, I don’t think it’s ipso facto wrong to use multiple identities.  (Cypherpunk here.)  The question is of intent.

I am much more worried by his equivocation over Btrash, of which I was hereto unaware due to my having slept for almost two years.  Equivocation is always a bad sign.
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April 18, 2020, 02:12:45 AM
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Next step: Cøbra to give up access to Bitcoin.org.

Do you believe that theymos and Cøbra should have attempted to maintain a connection between the sites or the operations?  
Essentially nobody trusts Cøbra except theymos and maybe a couple of bamboozled individuals. There is a reason for this, and there is a reason why many here have praised Cøbra when he has appeared here before: It is called ignorance.

I'm really sad to hear this. It seems like bitcoin faces such tremendous headwinds.
Surely, I do not understand enough to understand the significance of your comments.
I don't get it either. Please elaborate gmaxwell.
Most of the high ranking individuals on this forum today have next to no clue about anything Bitcoin related really (writing tech support answers based on what you find online is a triviality not knowledge).

Under user's avatar, there is: News: Latest Bitcoin Core Release: <-- Will download url be changed with bitcointalk.org instead of bitcoin.org ?
I don't think so. And I wouldn't download Bitcoin Core anywhere else than Bitcoin.org anyway.
Again: Wrong. You should download Bitcoin Core only from https://bitcoincore.org. Please stop giving bad information on Core related matters. Thanks.

How about the time he outed himself manipulating the public with multiple identities? Roll Eyes

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It seems like bitcoin faces such tremendous headwinds.

I am also concerned about this comment, it may be a little more explicit.
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April 18, 2020, 01:55:28 AM
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Therefore, we decided to separate the domains: I no longer have any access to the bitcoin.org domain name, and Cøbra no longer has any access to the bitcointalk.org domain name. The two sites should be viewed as totally separate, which in practice they have been for years.
Did this change happen recently? Both domains were last updated on November 24 last year:
Code:
Domain Name: BITCOINTALK.ORG
Registry Domain ID: D162601474-LROR
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.namecheap.com
Registrar URL: http://www.namecheap.com
Updated Date: 2019-11-24T14:01:10Z
Creation Date: 2011-06-24T05:19:00Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2029-06-24T05:19:00Z
Code:
Domain Name: BITCOIN.ORG
Registry Domain ID: D153621148-LROR
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.namecheap.com
Registrar URL: http://www.namecheap.com
Updated Date: 2019-11-24T13:58:35Z
Creation Date: 2008-08-18T13:19:55Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2029-08-18T13:19:55Z

Under user's avatar, there is: News: Latest Bitcoin Core Release: <-- Will download url be changed with bitcointalk.org instead of bitcoin.org ?
I don't think so. And I wouldn't download Bitcoin Core anywhere else than Bitcoin.org BitcoinCore.org anyway.
This is better:
You shouldn't trust a particular domain name to download Bitcoin Core at all, not bitcoin.org, or bitcoincore.org, or Github. You can download Bitcoin Core from just about anywhere safely, so long as you verify the signatures are valid, something I always urge users to do. Don't trust particular domain names, ever.

I'm really sad to hear this. It seems like bitcoin faces such tremendous headwinds.
Surely, I do not understand enough to understand the significance of your comments.
I don't get it either. Please elaborate gmaxwell.
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