Topic: Donald Chump: a Dimwit Man-Child made President - page 6. (Read 2235 times)

Nobody is saying Trump is putting on a lab coat and developing the vaccine.  Trump is promising Americans a timeline for the vaccine that is in direct conflict with the timeline the doctors have offered and it's obviously because of the election - this is from the same "I trust doctors, not Trump" speech by Biden:

“Scientific breakthroughs don’t care about calendars any more than the virus does, they certainly don’t adhere to election cycles. And their timing and their approval and their distribution should never, ever be distorted by political considerations. It should be determined by science and safety alone.”

This is about funding, really. I don't remember all the details about operation warp speed but like I said, that isn't Trump putting on the lab coat and heading into work lol

Right out of the White House:



https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-trump-leading-generation-effort-ensure-americans-access-covid-19-vaccine/

"Operation Warp Speed"

Do you think doctors are going to be silent about pushing an unproven vaccine that's skipped clinical trials? Trump is not involved in vaccine production, period. Joe Biden is absolutely implying that Trump is involved in this process and that "his vaccine" is unsafe. You either have a functional and safe vaccine, or you don't. Nothing Trump can do about this, no matter what timeline he refers to, or what timeline the CDC director refers to. Keep in mind, Kamala Harris was much more blunt about this than Joe Biden was. If you don't think they're politicizing a vaccine, I don't know what to tell you.



Yes, I do think this is absolutely insane to be completely honest. If I end up being wrong about this you can be the first one to tell me about it and I'll call Trump a retard, as I have done before on many occasions. This doesn't let Biden off the hook for this ''Trump" vaccine bullshit though.

No he's not, that's ridiculous.  He's insinuating that Trump has the power to over rule the experts and have the vaccine distributed to Americans prematurely.  And he does.  And he's already planted that seed.

The FDA is responsible for approving vaccines.
The commissioner is appointed by the president, and can be fired by the president.
While Senate approval is required for a permanent position, we all know Trump has a habit of skirting this requirement by appointing whoever he wants as 'Acting'.

He's already given himself an excuse to over rule the FDA if he wants the vaccine to happen sooner:



(@SteveFDA is the FDA commissioner)

Do you really think it's crazy to think Trump might fire the FDA comish and replace him with someone that will approve the vaccine right away if he thinks it will help him politically?

And he is insinuating that Trump is involved in vaccine production, when he's not. He's not in the lab making this thing.

His running mate was more blunt about all this: https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-health-delaware-wilmington-c668ece77e1457e5bfbe55cc2e92cbd9


Trump has absolutely said some brain dead things regarding vaccines in the past. Frankly, I think he says some routinely borderline mentally retarded things quite frequently. This doesn't excuse democrats now hopping on the anti-vax train trying to spread FUD about a vaccine. They don't actually believe that Trump is behind this vaccine, they just want to capitalize on the fear of the American people about coronavirus for votes. Quite disgusting imo.

In regards to what Trump said to reporters vs. what the CDC director said. Trump mouthing off bullshit with a silver lining of truth isn't new. I believe the CDC director when he says a coronavirus vaccine will likely be available by the end of the year, and I think Trump was conveying that too. I think Trump was obviously bullshitting when talking about the doses that can be produced, citing the figure 100 million. That doesn't mean the vaccine won't be safe or that it was Trump getting a vaccine rushed through.

These doctors are not going to stand by an unsafe vaccine.

All the quotes below are from last Wednesday.  All on the same day (might be off by a day on Bidens).  I could give you tons more examples of Trump contradicting experts that he should be listening to, resulting in the country hearing two different versions of reality. All things considered I think it's a totally reasonable assumption to make that Trump, if he thinks he can get away with it, is fully capable of using his power as president to have the vaccine released early for purely political purposes. Pushing back on that idea now is not muddying the waters.

Dr. Redfield (Director of the CDC) Senate Testimony, under oath:
"A potential coronavirus vaccine will likely be available in limited quantities by the end of this year, but it may only be about 70% effective"

"it would initially be a very limited supply and will have to be prioritized."

"hopefully Americans can start returning back to normal life in 6 to 9 months, late next year"

Trump to Reporters:
"We’re all set to distribute immediately. We are set to — it could be in October, or in November. It could be later than that, but I think it will be in October,"

"We will be able to distribute at least 100 million vaccine doses by the end of 2020. And a large number much sooner than that,"

"The vaccine is going to have tremendous power. It's going to be extremely strong. It's going to be extremely successful. We're not going to have a problem"


Biden:
"I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump,"



Here are some examples of what anti-vax rhetoric looks like, (from a year or so after Trump switched his party affiliation to Republican):






(heads up, BADecker and the anti vax army are on their way)

There's a bias in the response between Republicans and democrats, meaning there's politics involved. If a vaccine was produced that early, it would lend credence to the resilience of the scientific community, nothing to do with politics. I hope it would be the goal of every politician to get a vaccine out as soon as possible. I'm curious though, do you actually believe that a "Biden" vaccine would be safer than a "Trump" vaccine.

I'm sure it's all Trump's fault for wanting a quick vaccine and Biden shares no responsibility for peddling anti-vax bullshit claiming a Trump vaccine isn't safe. Everything's Trump's fault, democrats can do no wrong.


What in your link are you referring to? Your source doesn't say Trump is getting rid of all FDA regulations and guidelines for the hell of it to push an unsafe vaccine. There's a lot of red tape involved in getting therapeutic drugs out in the market, I have no doubt that some FDA guidelines would need to be broken. This isn't a bad thing. This does not mean clinical trials will be sped up. This is what's important.


If you recall when this mess started, Washington was where confirmed cases began to spiral out of control.

It was a researcher that had taken flu swabs that essentially sounded the alarm that COVID-19 was spreading in far greater numbers than the confirmed cases records indicated. In essence, this researcher took flu swabs from people in a study months prior to cases spiraling out of control. She had to bypass federal officials to test these flu swabs for coronavirus in order to sound the alarm at how fast cases were spreading - https://www.businessinsider.com/seattle-flu-study-coronavirus-testing-washington-2020-3

The only reason she was not allowed to take these already collected flu swabs and test them for coronavirus was because of bureaucratic red tape.

If Biden wins, he will undoubtedly authorize vaccine production ASAP which will probably violate a few FDA guidelines. Again, this doesn't mean the FDA doesn't have oversight.

"Before election day" is obviously a key moment. If you ask a question like that you're gonna get an answer based on people assuming that it's going to be rushed for political purposes. And Trump is definitely feeding those assumptions, he's not very subtle about his goals:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/23/politics/trump-fda-coronavirus-vaccine/index.html


What were you saying about the FDA being in charge? Trump disagrees with you. He seems to think the White House is in charge.

Biden, and Kamala Harris for that matter, have muddied the waters about a vaccine - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/16/us/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine.html

Insinuating that it's going to be rushed and that magically a vaccine would be safer under their administration is political mudslinging at the lowest level. It's anti-vax garbage.

By the way, public perception on a vaccine has gone down too. Democrats are more unlikely to get a vaccine compared to the numbers a few months ago.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/press-release/poll-most-americans-worry-political-pressure-will-lead-to-premature-approval-of-a-covid-19-vaccine-half-say-they-would-not-get-a-free-vaccine-approved-before-election-day/

More democrats are suspect of a vaccine than Republicans. This isn't legitimate criticism. Trump is not in charge of producing a vaccine quickly. The CDC and FDA are in charge of this. Being more optimistic about the timeline is no reason to not trust a vaccine the U.S. produces. Biden's campaign staff told him to push this trash.

Biden is criticizing Trump for contradicting his own experts timelines on the vaccine.  There's good reason to worry that Trump will find a way to push the vaccine into production and distribution too quickly.

Trump trying to convince people that Biden is an anti-vaxxer is an obv troll.  Just fun and games.

1. Government tends to be anti-Bitcoin because they can't tax it but in what way has Trump purposefully derailed Bitcoin?

2. How many brain cells are you missing to think Trump is in the lab with a microscope working on vaccine production? Do you believe Biden's lies and think that it's a "Trump vaccine", and that it isn't doctors and scientists that are behind vaccine production? Guess the party of science is now anti-vax.

Anyone else smell sig spam, or is it just me?

The President of the United States is the head of state and government of the country. The president is the head of the executive branch of the federal branch of the country and his responsibility is to ensure the proper implementation of state laws provided by the constitution and written by Congress, and every member of the United States has confidence in the vaccine. The United States is far ahead in terms of bitcoin use so there is no fear of being scammed.

Within the shadow of such a gigantic Dem tank that nobody can comprehend the size of it.

Anybody can write garbage without a link to what is really going on. Even Rense. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-child-rape-settlements/

I assume you are talking about 200K Covid deaths. This isn't known, because CDC lies, and the fact that the virus was never isolated in the first place. Or do you have solid evidence to the opposite? Believe China, would you?

The best example of this is covered in depth in this report.  (Volume 1, Section 2)

Don't underestimate losers that let politics dominate their lives to the point they freely go into online comment sections and post all day about how Trump shit in their cheerios.


Ahhh, and the crowd goes wild. Good one

During the May/June riots, some people were calling the prospect of Democrats doing this as being similar to using tanks against their own people.

Every vote counts, and every impression on voters count. I don't know if you read the comments section of WSJ online articles, but there is a "Kevin Smith" who posts thousands of posts over time, almost all as replies to the most 'upvoted' (aka top, and most read) comments, maximizing the number of views his posts gets. This "Kevin Smith" (I am nearly certain this is a fake name) is feverishly anti-Trump, and would be surprised if he is not getting paid one way or another to post.

If an operative can pass themselves off as a person of casual interest, the impact of their posts can be higher for a voter. This is something i am seeing here.

Likely the Dems, due to all their bad behavior the last two years, lose the house majority. What's it take, 18 to flip? And Dems have twice that many up for grabs.