Donald Trump trolled by former Mexican president - page 2.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 29, 2017, 08:51:11 AM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 27, 2017, 05:31:30 PM

Wont US citizens actually pay this?
They are the ones paying import taxes

No. The US citizens won't pay. If the Mexican goods get more expensive, then they will import goods from Canada or Brazil. Already the Canadian Tar Sands producers are salivating at the idea of having an absolute monopoly in the US, at the expense of the Mexican Maya crude.

Which means the Mexicans won't also pay if US won't buys from them then there the wall will still be unconstructed and telling Canadians to pay for it will the the cost of the goods will increase and back to where we started from in addition to Mexico now leaving the border free for movement which is now a serious concern for Trump. If USA is really serious it should be more of partnership and not command or he will threaten them will military force like he did with IRAN?.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 02, 2017, 10:50:30 PM

Quote from: Aikonio on February 01, 2017, 06:34:57 AM

So the economy is working in a confined space. If Mexico is to put a Ford in America? If she will sell them abroad? America will be forced to use Ford only in the domestic market. But if in the place of Ford in Mexico, Toyota will come?

Who cares? Let Toyota replace Ford in Mexico (if they are ready for that idea). The American government receives zero taxes if Ford operates a plant in Mexico. No new jobs are created. Only the Ford corporation is gaining anything out of it.

You are not right. Taxes America gets from the income of the Corporation Ford. Cars are sold worldwide in dollars, and the income returned to America. If the demand for dollars in the world will fall, the Americans will be severely hit.

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Quote from: Aikonio on February 01, 2017, 06:34:57 AM

So the economy is working in a confined space. If Mexico is to put a Ford in America? If she will sell them abroad? America will be forced to use Ford only in the domestic market. But if in the place of Ford in Mexico, Toyota will come?

Who cares? Let Toyota replace Ford in Mexico (if they are ready for that idea). The American government receives zero taxes if Ford operates a plant in Mexico. No new jobs are created. Only the Ford corporation is gaining anything out of it.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 30, 2017, 11:38:08 PM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 30, 2017, 05:09:51 PM

Then how exactly is that "making the mexicans pay for it"?

It will only make the products more expensive for the american buyer

If the purpose was to promote purchase of american products, then importing products from other countries won't serve any purpose Cheesy

Let me give an example. A Ford F-150 Truck costs around $38,000, if it is imported from Mexico (pays thousands of USD in taxes to the Mexican government). After the tariffs, it costs $45,600. The same vehicle, manufactured in the US costs around $40,000 (after paying thousands of USD in taxes to the US government). Now the US government decides to give a tax break, amounting to $2,000 per vehicle. Under the revised scenario, a US manufactured vehicle costs $38,000 and the one imported from Mexico costs $45,600. So there is no additional expenses incurred by the US buyers.

So the economy is working in a confined space. If Mexico is to put a Ford in America? If she will sell them abroad? America will be forced to use Ford only in the domestic market. But if in the place of Ford in Mexico, Toyota will come?

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25billion dollars for a wall? Hahaha seriously thats what he came up with? That amount could go a very long way towards improving nit just america but worldwide issues. I think the former maxican president is making a very logical point here. That idea seems it's straight out of a comedy film

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 30, 2017, 05:09:51 PM

Then how exactly is that "making the mexicans pay for it"?

It will only make the products more expensive for the american buyer

If the purpose was to promote purchase of american products, then importing products from other countries won't serve any purpose Cheesy

Let me give an example. A Ford F-150 Truck costs around $38,000, if it is imported from Mexico (pays thousands of USD in taxes to the Mexican government). After the tariffs, it costs $45,600. The same vehicle, manufactured in the US costs around $40,000 (after paying thousands of USD in taxes to the US government). Now the US government decides to give a tax break, amounting to $2,000 per vehicle. Under the revised scenario, a US manufactured vehicle costs $38,000 and the one imported from Mexico costs $45,600. So there is no additional expenses incurred by the US buyers.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 29, 2017, 08:51:11 AM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 27, 2017, 05:31:30 PM

Wont US citizens actually pay this?
They are the ones paying import taxes

No. The US citizens won't pay. If the Mexican goods get more expensive, then they will import goods from Canada or Brazil. Already the Canadian Tar Sands producers are salivating at the idea of having an absolute monopoly in the US, at the expense of the Mexican Maya crude.

Then how exactly is that "making the mexicans pay for it"?

It will only make the products more expensive for the american buyer

If the purpose was to promote purchase of american products, then importing products from other countries won't serve any purpose Cheesy

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Quote from: DrVaribo on January 30, 2017, 07:14:55 AM

Quote from: darkseid1199 on January 30, 2017, 07:07:30 AM

I think Trump should assemble weaponized drones at the border that will shoot anyone who tries to enter. I bet that will rather stop lots of people from even trying to cross the border. But He should rather focus on ISIS and those terrorist organizaions those are the real threats to America not people who want to work and make a livelihood.

If we assume that ISIS is at war with the Russians, Assad and Turkey I have a question for you what is the interest of America? Russians don't hide that after the war in Syria plans to establish control over the region.

What you call ISIS, the pentagon and other senior military personnel in the will call rebels fighting against the dictatorship regime. No wonder the USA were against Russian involvement in the Syria. They are cause of most of the unrest in the middle with the exception of Arabs who have the passion for spilling blood for no reason whatsoever.

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Quote from: darkseid1199 on January 30, 2017, 07:07:30 AM

I think Trump should assemble weaponized drones at the border that will shoot anyone who tries to enter. I bet that will rather stop lots of people from even trying to cross the border. But He should rather focus on ISIS and those terrorist organizaions those are the real threats to America not people who want to work and make a livelihood.

If we assume that ISIS is at war with the Russians, Assad and Turkey I have a question for you what is the interest of America? Russians don't hide that after the war in Syria plans to establish control over the region.

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Quote from: 00hash01 on January 30, 2017, 06:46:07 AM

Quote from: mainpmf on January 30, 2017, 04:34:11 AM

Shhhhhhhhhhh
let Trump supporters believe that 20% taxe will be enough to make American products competitive to Mexican production.

Let them believe. They'll pay anyway. As long as it's for their glorious leaders.

And I don't believe that 20% will save American manufacturing. Moreover, what will America do if the world will go the way of robotics production? If it does not skimp on production of goods in China, American manufacturers are able to give jobs to robots.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh
We all know that unemployment is only due to immigration.
I mean, there is no way that glorious capitalisme could be at fault here right?
No. Immigration. Without immigrants we wouldn't have unemployment!

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I think Trump should assemble weaponized drones at the border that will shoot anyone who tries to enter. I bet that will rather stop lots of people from even trying to cross the border. But He should rather focus on ISIS and those terrorist organizaions those are the real threats to America not people who want to work and make a livelihood.

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Quote from: yoseph on January 30, 2017, 06:47:51 AM

Maybe The President of Mexico should arrest the drug dealers and give it to Trump since most of the profits that is about 90% are from the USA. Trump should then use that money to build the wall. That should settle the case. But the wall should definitely be built. Just the old days where every city is surrounded by walls.

You like little children. What wall in our time, the time can stop smuggling or illegal immigration? There are many ways to overcome it. Like Trump for example by a wall can leave the drones?

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Maybe The President of Mexico should arrest the drug dealers and give it to Trump since most of the profits that is about 90% are from the USA. Trump should then use that money to build the wall. That should settle the case. But the wall should definitely be built. Just the old days where every city is surrounded by walls.

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Quote from: mainpmf on January 30, 2017, 04:34:11 AM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 27, 2017, 05:31:30 PM

Quote from: ifightformerkel on January 27, 2017, 05:25:25 PM

Donald Trump was not trolled, by the mexicans.

I think they dont want to realize, that trump will introduce customs punishment of 20% or more for mexican products.

This mean the u.s.a. can take more than 16 billion dollar every year more.
And the wall will only cost about 20 billion, so they will pay for the wall if the want or not.

Wont US citizens actually pay this?
They are the ones paying import taxes

Shhhhhhhhhhh
let Trump supporters believe that 20% taxe will be enough to make American products competitive to Mexican production.

Let them believe. They'll pay anyway. As long as it's for their glorious leaders.

And I don't believe that 20% will save American manufacturing. Moreover, what will America do if the world will go the way of robotics production? If it does not skimp on production of goods in China, American manufacturers are able to give jobs to robots.

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on January 27, 2017, 05:31:30 PM

Quote from: ifightformerkel on January 27, 2017, 05:25:25 PM

Donald Trump was not trolled, by the mexicans.

I think they dont want to realize, that trump will introduce customs punishment of 20% or more for mexican products.

This mean the u.s.a. can take more than 16 billion dollar every year more.
And the wall will only cost about 20 billion, so they will pay for the wall if the want or not.

Wont US citizens actually pay this?
They are the ones paying import taxes

Shhhhhhhhhhh
let Trump supporters believe that 20% taxe will be enough to make American products competitive to Mexican production.

Let them believe. They'll pay anyway. As long as it's for their glorious leaders.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 29, 2017, 10:45:41 PM

Quote from: darkangel11 on January 29, 2017, 06:38:44 PM

Quote from: darkseid1199 on January 29, 2017, 10:29:01 AM

Trump is not only trying to stop the mexicans out of the country, but He is trying to stop the flow of terrorists from coming through from that side. That place of the border is highly unsupervised and need a big beautiful wall 20 feet tall with electric fence.

The fence already exists and they are dealing with it by digging tunnels Cheesy

People will always find a way.

They WILL NOT find a way if the trespassers are detained and sent to the labor camps. But the American human rights organizations make it extremely difficult for the enforcement agencies to detain these illegals.

we'll see about that.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on January 29, 2017, 06:38:44 PM

Quote from: darkseid1199 on January 29, 2017, 10:29:01 AM

Trump is not only trying to stop the mexicans out of the country, but He is trying to stop the flow of terrorists from coming through from that side. That place of the border is highly unsupervised and need a big beautiful wall 20 feet tall with electric fence.

The fence already exists and they are dealing with it by digging tunnels Cheesy

People will always find a way.

They WILL NOT find a way if the trespassers are detained and sent to the labor camps. But the American human rights organizations make it extremely difficult for the enforcement agencies to detain these illegals.

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Quote from: darkseid1199 on January 29, 2017, 10:29:01 AM

Trump is not only trying to stop the mexicans out of the country, but He is trying to stop the flow of terrorists from coming through from that side. That place of the border is highly unsupervised and need a big beautiful wall 20 feet tall with electric fence.

The fence already exists and they are dealing with it by digging tunnels Cheesy

People will always find a way.

Quote from: desertfox470 on January 29, 2017, 04:04:37 PM

I think it would be smarter to put more sensors around the border and have more agents on duty rather than building the wall. With that much distance for a wall it will hard to look after

I agree drones with thermal imaging and infrared barriers would do the job.

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I think it would be smarter to put more sensors around the border and have more agents on duty rather than building the wall. With that much distance for a wall it will hard to look after

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Trump is not only trying to stop the mexicans out of the country, but He is trying to stop the flow of terrorists from coming through from that side. That place of the border is highly unsupervised and need a big beautiful wall 20 feet tall with electric fence.

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