Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 264. (Read 734937 times)

People are generally sceptical to self-mod threads. Even if I promise to only filter Pagan, will the opposition here believe that I'll not be filtering more?
Some find him entertaining, and sometimes he actually discloses some info that we should know about, so I say let him...

A school and a kindergarten have been shelled in Slavyansk as the city becomes increasingly unsafe in the intensified Kiev military campaign. At least 9 civilians were injured in Wednesday’s shelling incidents, including a child.

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RT talked to a male schoolteacher from Slavyansk school number 13, who asked not to be named.

“Around midday there was a loud explosion in the school, and I fell to the floor, taking cover,” the teacher told RT over the phone.

The man said that he rushed to the corridor to assemble all the teachers and children in the school and take them to a safe place. Clouds of dust were billowing on one side of the building.

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The Kiev forces quickly laid the blame on self-defense units, which they refer to as “terrorists.”

“Currently, we are confirming the information on the terrorists’ shelling of the residential quarters and the territory of the school in Slavyansk,” the commander of Kiev’s military operation in southeastern Ukraine, Vladislav Seleznyov, wrote on his Facebook page.

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“We are simply horrified – you see? Horrified that our 'brave army,' which we pay taxes to maintain, is [doing] nothing else but destroying us. And our president, who must protect the civilian population – he is determined to exterminate us,” a woman working at the damaged school no. 13 told RT’s Ruptly news agency.

“For some reason, they think that we here in Slavyansk are all terrorists,” the woman said.

theodore grapsas 28.05.2014 17:49

The simple fact is this. IF Russia and Mr Putin continues to contradict earlier promises and statements. they will lose every credibility and trust with planet earth. OK they have the Crimea rightly so but is it impossible to make absolutely clear and DEMAND or else that ALL military onslaughts in East/South UKR are ended??that talks on federalisation/auton omy take place?? HAVE THEY MADE A DEAL with US/EU?? if so what about the sacrosanct idea that Mother Russia cares for it,s own?

Speaking of , I don't now if you have him on ignore or not , but this :

https://twitter.com/Stopcensorship/status/471629086499278848/photo/1

Looks like we really have to deal with some pro Russian propaganda about fake shelling of civilians..

But agian , I have no clue what those people are talking and my google translate doesn't work on that page.

Could you start a separate self-moderated thread? I am against media censoring and moderation, but this is the only way to prevent the uncontrolled spamming by Pagan.

EDIT: Moving the by Pagan's shelling.

EDIT: Moving the by Pagan's shelling.

Interestingly, that was not an argument, when chopping up Yugoslavia.

True, some people move and marry, many have families that are on both sides of the existing border as it is now. That was not a bit deal, when everyone was living in de-facto one country.
And yes, people lived ok-ish, as long as they were not poked too much. But when someone tries to tell you that you are no longer allowed to use the language that you and your ancestors used, it shows one of the attitude changes that make people uneasy, to put it mildly.

On the other hand, the movement of people is not that great on the scale of a population - many continue to live in the same towns and villages, where they were born, where their fathers and mothers were born. In this context, one should remember, that the territories that all the fighting is about now, where given to Ukraine by Lenin in 1917 - only 2-3 generations back. There are still some grandfathers and grandmothers alive there, who were borne in Russia, in Novorossia county, before the chaos of 1917.

PS: Can't post - trying for the third time. Pagan is spamming again.

Most of you have always said thet this is russian territory , that there are lots of russians in the east , that urkaineans are mostly dominant in the west etc.I don't know this for sure and I won't be commenting this part.

But they have been living like that for 20 years. I have neighbors that came from 300 km to work in the capital. Lots of men change their homes , people at 20-30 marry and not always from the same village or city. Those people mix , it's inevitable.
How can you now draw a line over this and how can they openly say , let's cut the country in half we don't need those guys anymore , how about we shot them ? We were drinking buddies in the college but f*8 them.