Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 365. (Read 734937 times)

Now I lost any hope for you as well, seeing as you mention 1944 as an "annexation" of Crimea. I am sorry my great-uncles who fought with fascists didn't find your excuse for ascendants back then.

The TV channel “Russia 1″ accused Ukrainian media of lies, which were distributed earlier by the Russian NTV channel
Posted on April, 12, 02:04 0 Comments Tags: Mykolaiv, Rossia, Russia 1, нтв, пeткoв, пeтxoв   

An enchanting story of the “German citizen” Andrei Pethov (according to the Russian NTV channel) or Petkov (according to “Russia 1″) is gaining momentum.

A day before yesterday, StopFake wrote about the story, which was released on the NTV program “PE”. In the story it is claimed that Pethov brought 500,000 Euros for the needs of Maidan in Mykolaiv. The presenters also claimed that he cooperated with the Right Sector and was organizing a group of 50 EU citizens. Their task supposedly was to cripple the maximum number of peaceful protesters, so that they could no longer take part in protests. The story also claimed that later Pethov allegedly changed his views as he was disappointed with the people from Maydan.

This story is still online on NTV. Here’s the link: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/895357/

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Here is the “exclusive interview” of Pethov to NTV: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/895499/

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Here are two stories together on YouTube in case NTV does decide to remove the fake stories from its site:

As has been written by StopFake, these stories contain a huge amount of outright fabrications and direct inconsistencies with the story shown by the Russian TV channel “Russia 1″, which also decided to air the report on Pethov-Petkov.

After the news of blatant lies have spread through Ukrainian news resources, the TV channel “Russia 1″ decided to distance itself from their story. However, it reported that the original source of this misinformation was Ukrainian media and not the Russian NTV channel: http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html? id=1469266

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In fact, Ukrainian media have only described directly conflicting statements in the stories of Russian channels NTV and “Russia 1″, and found inconsistencies in the statements of the Pethov-Petkov, which he had made in an “exclusive interview.”

 

In the first story the NTV presenter and Pethov-Petkov himself said that he brought the money to the Maidan. On the other hand, in the second news story of “Russia 1″ he said, pretending to be surprised, that he was going to Antimaydan and “certainly against the Bandera people.”

 

He allegedly brought money for people who demonstrate against Maidan , although Petkov no longer talks about the amount of EUR 500 thousand (which he mentioned in the NTV story). He only says that ” he collected a little of his own money and decided to make a contribution for the organization of the pacifists camp”. Here he no longer calls himself a German doctor, who has 15 clinics across Germany, as he had done in the NTV story.

 

Also “Russia 1″ is very indignant at the Ukrainian media who called Pethov-Petkov a mercenary, although it was the NTV channel which called him that.

 

Team StopFake again wishes Andrey Petkov-Pethov a speedy recovery and Russian journalists more creativity.

http://www.stopfake.org/en/the-tv-channel-russia-1-accused-ukrainian-media-of-lies-which-were-distributed-earlier-by-the-russian-ntv-channel/

1. http://youtu.be/afrXa-qsLfo - Убийcтвo людeй пoд Кopcyнeм paдикaлaми пpaвoгo ceктopa.

 2. http://youtu.be/noGc5Quf-3M - Bыcтpeлы, кoктeйли Moлoтoвa, ocлeпитeльныe гpaнaты paдикaлoв, пpиexaвшиx в Xapькoв.

 3. http://youtu.be/oQ8JoA-__Fc - Пpoвaлившaяcя пpoвoкaция paдикaлoв в Xapькoвe.

 4. http://youtu.be/KrJC6rU9lG0 - Шкoльнaя линeйкa в Киeвe. Лoзyнги: "Oднa мoвa, oднa нaция, oднa бaтькoвщинa, цe - Укpaинa! Mocкaлякy нa гиллякy. Ктo нe cкaчeт - тoт мocкaль!"

 5. http://youtu.be/wvcPnY0QG7k - Haциcткиe лoзyнги пpaвoгo ceктopa в Днeпpe. Haceлeниe гopoдa: "Йoдa - пидopac! Пидopacы!" Haциcты: "Mocкaлякy нa гиллякy! Кoммyнякy нa гиллякy!". Зaкoнчилocь избиeниeм и yнижeниeм (нaциcты xapкaли в лицo) нecкoлькиx днeпpoпeтpoвcкиx yкpaинцeв paдикaлaми.

 6. http://youtu.be/t6UCPBiU8GY - Укpaинcкoe тeлeвидeниe. Дoнeцкиe - втopoй copт. Дoнeцк/Лyгaнcк - дeпpeccивныe peгиoны, Лyгaнcкa нeтy кaк oблacти; и нeтy тaм paбoчиx мecт. Haд нaceлeниeм Дoнeцкa cмeютcя: нe мoгли пoлyчить oбpaзoвaниe, чтoбы пepeexaть oттyдa.

 7. http://youtu.be/pn4WjN_Dpcc - Пpeдcтaвитeли BO "Cвoбoдa" избивaют диpeктopa киeвcкoгo Пepвoгo нaциoнaльнoгo кaнaлa зa тo, чтo в эфиpe этoгo кaнaлa былo пoкaзaнo выcтyплeниe Импepaтopa o пpиcoeдинeнии Кpымa. Укpaинcкaя дeмoкpaтия и cвoбoдa cлoвa вo вceй кpace. Poлик aктивнo тpyт нa ютyбe из-зa нapyшeния пpaв кaкoгo-тo yкpaинцa, тaк чтo вoт зepкaлo: http://vК.com/video-19279447_168308010

 8. http://youtu.be/IAcIFK74zYc - Люcтpaция yкpaинcкoгo вpaчa-пeдиaтpa, пo пpизнaкy тoгo, чтo oн кoгдa-тo cocтoял в пapтии "Пapтия Peгиoнoв". Люcтpиpyют мoлoдыe нaциoнaлиcты (18-25 лeт).

 9. http://youtu.be/3qPthOZ0v-8 - лoзyнги "Mocкaлeй нa нoжи!"

 10. http://youtu.be/EOVnsd6e4_Y - лoзyнги "Йoдa - нaш гepoй!" "Кoмy пpинaдлeжит Киeв - нaм!" "Xвaтит бyxaть - Пopa вoeвaть!" "Mocкaлeй нa нoжи! Ha нoжи! Ha нoжи!" "Oдин зa вcex - и вce зa oднoгo!"

 11. http://youtu.be/KX_ja9OezuE - "Mocкaлeй нa нoжи! Ha нoжи! Ha нoжи!" "Кoммyняк - нa нoжи! Ha нoжи! Ha нoжи!"

 12. http://youtu.be/t9ctrhH4A54 - "Бaтькa Йoдa пpийдeт - пopядoк нaвeдёт! Mocкaлeй нa нoжи! Ha нoжи!"

 13. http://youtu.be/yCCH1BTLFro - Oдecca. Mитинг бaндepoвцeв, Фapиoн. Лoзyнги "Mocкaлeй нa нoжи!"

 14. http://youtu.be/g3M1vw4qHyw - тo жe, Oдecca.

 15. http://youtu.be/lSGqlV65TwI - злoбныe бaндepoвцы. Лoзyнги "Гeть мocкaля! Убeй мocкaля!" "Mocкaлeй нa нoжи!"

 16. http://youtu.be/EWVRnwgk3C8 - cвoбoдoвeц пepeдaёт пpивeт oт Гитлepa cмeлoмy pyccкoмy жypнaлиcтy, кoтopый зacтyпилcя зa eвpeeв.

 17. http://youtu.be/69AUAmIdlMc - Киeвcкoe мeтpo. Лoзyнг "Бeй Mocкaля!", нaпpaвлeнный пpoтив oднoгo из пaccaжиpoв. Имeннo нa этoт poлик co cтopoны пpoшлoгo пpaвитeльcтвa Укpaины пocтyпил кoммeнтapий "Oни жe пpocтo дeти!".

 18. http://youtu.be/y6jEYWgS0XI - cтaдиoн. Ceктop из paдикaлoв. "Mocкaлeй нa нoжи! Ha нoжи!"

 19. http://youtu.be/E1d_RRS_aZE - Myзычкo, в зaлe пpaвитeльcтвeннoгo yчpeждeния; мнoгиe в мacкax. "Cвoбoдa cлoвa", "Пaцифизм".

 20. http://youtu.be/i0RFK4PlGSg - Бaндepoвцы лoмaют yкpaинcкий xpaм. Лoзyнги "Mocкaлeй нa нoжи! Ha нoжи!" "Mocкaлякy - нa гиллякy".

 21. http://youtu.be/mGIBaCWiN50 - мaccивный мapш нaциoнaлиcтoв, "Mocкaлeй нa нoжи! Ha нoжи!" "Mы бaндepoвцы!"

 22. http://youtu.be/Ieez6QhywF0 - yкpaинцa oблили зeлёнкoй. Пoтoм eгo yвёл Myзычкo и избил.

 23. http://youtu.be/uXTl3ZQeK5M - нoвaя жизнь Укpaины. Жгyт пeтapды, избивaют пpoxoжиx.

 24. http://youtu.be/loGm-Ur7YbM - никoгдa мы нe бyдeм бpaтьями. Cтиxи oт нaциoнaлиcтичecки нacтpoeннoй дeвyшки. Bы yмoeтecь кpoвью, a y нac - дeмoкpaтия!

 25. http://youtu.be/Wv2vZGigwY0 - Дoнeцк. Гpaждaнe paзopyжили бaндepoвцeв.

 26. http://youtu.be/Q0PtzmV7jBE - Aдмиpaл Teнюx бpocил yкpaинcкиx мopякoв. Heceт чyшь, никтo из Киeвa нe мoжeт дaть внятныx пpикaзoв coлдaтaм (бoятcя oтвeтcтвeннocти). Дaжe нaциoнaлиcтичecки нacтpoeннaя вeдyщaя пoкaзывaeт cвoё нeдoвoльcтвo нынeшним кoмaндoвaниeм yкpaинcкoй apмии.

 27. http://youtu.be/eRTK5kgo4gg - Hoвaя нaциoнaлиcтичecкaя влacть oбcyждaeт cмepти людeй нa мaйдaнe в вecьмa интeллигeнтнoй мaнepe.

 28. http://youtu.be/92s403f96O4 - Кpeмeнчyг. Maйдaнyтыe дeлят дeньги мeждy coбoй и ccopятcя. "Кoшeки" мaйдaнa. Гoвopят пo pyccки, пoкa "мocкaли" нe видят.

 29. http://youtu.be/nFt9gC0ujYw - Зaпopoжьe. Paдикaлы кидaют мoлoты в мaшины c poccийcкими флaгaми.

 30. http://youtu.be/__Z96d39Yko - Haцизм вo Львoвe. Пpoпaгaндa нaцизмa cpeди дeтeй.

 31. http://youtu.be/S_cmxeT03bs - Haцизм вo Львoвe. Pиcyют нaциcтcкиe cимвoлы нa здaнии "Cбepбaнкa Импepии". Дoмoгaютcя дo нe пoнpaвившиxcя им пpoxoжиx, cнимaют c ниx кpyтки, тoпчaт и кpacят бaллoнчикaми. Пeтapды и нaциcткиe лoзyнги.

 32. http://youtu.be/Gp_hn7xYGio - Кpeщaтик, Киeв. Пpaвый ceктop избивaeт киeвcкиx yкpaинцeв.

 33. http://youtu.be/1DpPIyt8bkI - Oбoбщeниe вcex coбытий в oднoм poликe. Двyличныe paзгoвopы пpивepжeнцeв мaйдaнa. Bыдepжкa из мнoжecтвa нaциoнaлиcтичecкиx выпaдoв нoвoй влacти и paдикaлoв. Capкacтичный poлик.

Fake video from Maidan SBU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-otBa6nJ4cw

РФ - федерация.

Provocateur in Gorlovka detected http://vz.ru/news/2014/4/14/681998.html

Slavyansk Airport

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-tV-QYoz1s

“The Wolf who cried Fascist!” – Pathology of Russian Propaganda against Ukraine, pt. 2
Posted on March, 31, 15:35 0 Comments Tags: fascist, Hitler, Nazi, Russian propaganda, Soviet, Stalin   

Here you can read the second part of Brian Bryttan about Russian Propaganda against Ukraine. The original article can be found here. Also, you can already read the first part.

How Russia ‘fought against fascism’ – from 1920 until 1941

Soviet and Nazi officers

For more than twenty years, Moscow’s closest ties in Europe were with Germany – starting in 1920 when Berlin supplied intelligence about the Polish Army to the Soviets. (And twenty years later, Stalin returned the favor when he had his radio stations in Minsk broadcast signals to the Luftwaffe to guide them to their Polish targets.) Everyone now knows about the secret 1939 Nazi-USSR Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty, but even as late as October, 1940, Stalin was still  negotiating terms to join the Tripartite Pact with Italy, Japan, and Germany.

Karl Radek, fervent Stalinist and one of the authors of the new Soviet Constitution, wrote

    “… only fools could imagine we should ever break with Germany… No one can give us what Germany can.”

 

Berlin needed oil, manganese, wheat – while Moscow needed machine tools, military materials, and equipment for their chemical industry. Soviet-Nazi collaboration extended past economic and into military cooperation, involving such firms as Krupp, Rheinmetall, Junkers aircraft , Walther firearms, and I.G. Farben for toxin chemical research.

Illegal Nazi-Soviet joint military operations were secretly conducted on Soviet territory during inter-war years. They included:

    - Nazi-Soviet tank school at Kama, near Kazan

    - Nazi-Soviet pilot training school at Litebsk

    - Junkers fighter-plane plants at Fili (the largest enterprise of its time)

    - Nazi-Soviet War poison gas and mists plants in Tomka, near Samara

Hoping to improve his relations with Hitler, Stalin returned to Germany Jews who had come to the Soviet Union expecting the promised ‘worker’s paradise’ . For their part, Nazi officers visited Soviet concentration camps to study how the Russians handled a common concern.
nazi-and-soviet-officers

Nazi and Soviet officers

A fascist by any other name…

While still in bed with Hitler, Stalin annexed the Baltics, tore apart Poland and started a war with Finland. Why is this not ‘fascist’ if the Nazis were doing the same thing? And then, did Stalin’s subsequent horrendous acts suddenly stop being ‘fascist’ once Hitler became his enemy?

Back in 2008, Dr. Andreas Umland wrote that describing Russia as ‘drifting to fascism’ was “…crying wolf too early”. Significantly, he went on to add that in assessing Russia’s fate today and in the next years “we should reserve the label ‘fascist’ for only those that indeed deserve this most value-laden term of the 20th century.”

Most value laden?… Are some labels more equal than others?

So just why should we elevate ‘fascism’ to a preeminent position? After all, history is full of horrific cruelties and injustices. And Dr. Umland’s “most value-laden” F-word has served Russia very well for numerous pretexts, including its present invasion of Crimea.

Originally applied to Mussolini, ‘Fascism’ was used to describe a radical authoritarian nationalism. But why should it matter who does it – someone from the ‘right’, from the ‘left’ or little green men in Crimea?

The same media who repeat talking points about “fascism” in today’s Ukraine, never  mention the millions of Ukrainians who gave their lives fighting both ‘fascist’ Nazis and their former allies – the Soviets.

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(Actually, the Soviets even got the label wrong when they started using it against Hitler. Perhaps if they had correctly defined the Germans as National Socialists (Nazis), the realization that their enemy were also Socialists would have struck a nerve?)

 

Right Sector and Svoboda party

The two most often attacked Ukrainian organizations are the Right Sector and the Svoboda party. Both Svoboda and Right Sector are very minor players on the current political landscape and have no realistic hope of any significant role in the coming government.

The leader of the Right Sector is Dmytro Yarosh, born and raised in the predominantly Russian speaking south-eastern city of Dniprodzerzhinsk. Yarosh was a member of the Young Pioneers and the Countrywide Leninist Communist Youth League  and served two years in the Soviet Army. One of the key forces during the Kyiv Revolution, the Right Sector has many Russian speaking members and has not been associated with any ‘fascist’ or anti-Jewish statements. In his first foreign interview, Yarosh told TIME that while the revolution needs to steer the country into a new direction, not dependent on either the West or East, he understands that any new opposition government is not likely to carve out a place for him and his men.

The Svoboda party was established in 1991 but only within the last four years attained a noticeable profile. Both Svoboda and Right Sector are very minor players on the current political landscape and have no realistic hope of a major role in the coming government. Svoboda members have recently bullied a TV journalist. Svoboda formally says it is not anti-European, nor anti-Russian, nor anti- Jewish but pro-Ukrainian.

Actually, the ‘anti-Semitic’ theme is now being played by Moscow at low volume ever since the chief Rabbi of Ukraine, seconded by every major Ukrainian Jewish organization, issued statements categorically affirming the freedoms Jews have in Ukraine and supporting the new Kyiv government. There are no instances of any Human Rights Watch organization reporting either Jewish or Russian “persecution” in Ukraine.

What the West does not understand about the “right”-ist groups in Ukraine is that they are here because the anti-Imperialist battle is not over, and they are not that frightening. They are certainly not saying “ban all foreigners…or Russians… or Jews” like Right groups in other European countries. What they are saying is it is time to save their culture and society which the Russians destroyed.

it is important to appreciate the reasons why the Svoboda party emerged on the scene so recently. First, they capitalized on the vacuum created when the “Rukh” movement (Yushchenko’s party) started to disappear after Yanukovych’s election. And perhaps more significantly, both Right Sector and Svoboda were part of a nation-wide uprising against the unprecedented centralization and isolation of Yanukovych’s government, under which the entire judicial system had for all intents disappeared, and the entire country was engaged in a deathly struggle with the criminal government.

Once a story gets out, the damage is done.

Today, TV commentators act as if they own this label. CNN ‘experts’ recently took umbrage at comparisons between Putin’s and Hitler’s Crimean and Czechoslovakian adventures. All three commentators were quick to point out Putin had not killed 6 million Jews, nor had he started a world war, so how dare anyone call him a fascist? And yet the very same media regularly labels “fascist” elements in Ukraine (Prof. Steven Cohen called the Kyiv Maidan a ‘fascist rabble’ on CNN).

Commentators from the West who pride themselves on their own Diversity and Tolerance, concluded for viewers that 60% Russian-speakers should de facto have a choice for separation of Crimea – (no one seemed to care what would happen to the remaining 40%  of non-Russians).  Are the ‘experts’ implying that poor dumb Slavs are just not up to the same Western ideals of diversity which their own, more enlightened nations live by? And how condescending, if not outright racist of the media to suggest that?

Once it’s put out there, the damage is done. On March 3 Chritiane Amanpour confrontedCNN’s Wolf Blitzer for his unstudied ‘report’ repeating Russian Ambassador Churkin’s claims that “fascists and anti-Semites” were to blame for Ukraine’s unrest. Mr. Blitzer justified himself that he was merely ‘reporting’ someone else’s statement – but did not issue any correction for the record.

Words have meanings, and labels have consequences. However, when we create a hierarchy of values, and attach a greater emotional significance to terms like “fascism” – this often leads to an automatic reflex, selective outrage and muddies the waters – rather than an honest look.

Hollywood still keeps cranking out dozens of films about Hitler and the Nazis, but when was the last time you saw a movie about Stalin or any of the horrors under the Soviet Union?

    Part 1 examined how the term ‘fascist’ has become almost meaningless today, how Russian ‘antifascists’ are the real ‘fascists’ and anti-Maidan propaganda.

     

By Adrian Bryttan, March 21, 2014

berkut identification marks also in shops? how much?

and what about guns? freely in shops also?

Just 1 minute of googling, and you've got a prize:

http://formaclab.all.biz/forma-dlya-berkuta-g1672448
http://reibert.info/threads/forma-bmon-berkut.381953/
http://armed.com.ua/p/1929776-forma-miliceyskaya-omon-kupit/

http://www.miltrade.com.ua/bronejiletyi
http://www.miltrade.com.ua/shlemyi

http://www.armyshop.net.ua/price.php

 

I know that pretty well , at least i can forget about them for a few moment while i'm at home not driving through the city

Fake "Russians" from Maidan SBU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVDx-TqeWj4

in other words you are telling me that the protesters are shooting themselves?.. right...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pN3M-T3HOU

funny pic about those molotovs...

Ouch... I wonder why Putin's fans are so interested in such pages o_O

Unfortunately, their population is growing constantly. We can forget about this, but it wouldn't change anything.

Now really , you know my views on that minority too well I assume since we both post here a lot.
Why the hell do you have to remind me of it?

Do I need to remember you that 10% of the Romanian population is primarily of Indian origin? The same for Russia may be 0.01% or 0.1%. That said, I don't see why it is considered so bad to have genes from India. Looking at the amount of inter-ethnic marriages happening in EU strongholds such as the UK, the people who migrate there (Poles, Romanians.etc) won't remain homogeneous for long.

For example, according to the last census (2011), More than 10% of the Polish women living in the UK had children born to fathers from Africa or Asia. Only 65% of the children had Polish fathers.