Topic: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion - page 3. (Read 11357 times)

And FYI - the QR code points here: operationbitcoin.org

Just got this from Yifu via Skype

seems like the goods have arrived.

I think it would be much more effective to replace 'obsolete the fed' with 'obsolete wall street'.  The former may be more precise, but I'm not sure precision should be the primary criterion for a tagline.

1) 'obsolete wall street' establishes a catchy parallelism with 'occupy wall street', and implicitly answers the question, "well, we've occupied it – now what?"

2) Seriously, people are going to think of Rick Perry when they read that.  It may be a superficial response, but it's still corrosive.

Hi All,

I, and I think others, are not really satisfied with sending new users to the faucet.  I feel that this might cause new users more confusion then help in some ways.  I think that sending them there is pretty much universally accepted as a temporary thing to have something for the weekend.

I spent half the weekend hacking out a prototype system to try to illustrate some ideas I have about system design.  We've had some discussions on the IRC channel, but it's hard to describe things that way, so I instead just tried to hack out a demo.

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The thing I'm working on is hoped to be a pretty usable 'new user' walk-through of the following:

 - user understands loosely the terms 'address' and 'wallet' and the basic principles of keeping them safe.

 - user selects his/her wallet solution seeing the back-to-back comparison.  Option to select a pre-funded wallet for speedy progress.

 - user selects something to spend BTC on and actually does it.  Hopefully marvels at how easy it is.

 - Done.  Finished.  User has no more use for the system and the system has no more use for the user.

All services are provided by third parties.  The system simply shows the options back-to-back and makes some non-biased comments about them.  I feel that the best way to learn something is to need to make some decisions.  The system is designed to help the user make informed choices.

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I feel that it is very important to show no sign of bias to any vendor, or indication of data collection (and, of course, do none...the world is already too full of data collection...trust me on that!)

I've got things working so that a single URL (printed on a hand-out and with a QR) will take the user through a progressive set of 4 pages.  The system simply knows the user by the 'hash' which is unique per hand-out (card or flyer), and keeps track of what phases the user has been through.  No need for cookies, logins, passwords, etc.  Very simple.

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Another design feature is that some significant effort has been put into considering the 'donor' part of the equation.  Not least of which because I am one

As  doner, I would like to contribute to (say) #occupywallstreet.  This system gently suggests that the recipient contribute some of the funds he/she was just given to a set of organizations selected by doners via a poll.  Thus, the doner can get hopefully some fraction of his funding to an organization of his/her choice, but help get new Bitcoin users on-line in the process.

I envision a 'campaign' page with a live real-time graphics showing the funds donated pool, and the recipient progress, the pass-thru donation rate, etc.  In this way:

 - donations can be solicited during a campaign and on an as-needed basis.

 - doners can have some real confidence that their funds are being used appropriately.  They can watch it happening in real-time.

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A big source of debate has been whether to pass out 'pre-loaded' hand-outs with funding, or do the funding of new users in real time.  I prefer the latter for several reasons:

 - it allows the user to select his/her wallet solution.
 - it allows much more generious funding to recipients as only the handouts being used need to be funded.
 - it allows many more hand-outs to be distributed, and the distribution broken up amongst semi-non-trusted distributors.
 - it fits in with my thoughts on 'real time use graphics' to hopefully prop up doner interest and involvement.
 - I think it would actually be easier to do than not.

I would like it if someone could volenteer to print up and pass out cards, and 1/2 an hour later be on the street doing so.

I believe that only a small fraction of the handouts will ever be acted upon, but that it will be difficult to predict the use rate.  While hand-out accounts could be retracted eventually, quite a bit of funding could be tied up for some period of time (It would be nice if the card could be used successfully weeks or months after it was issued.)

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I have also put some thought into management of the 'hash lists'.  Compromise of these could lose funds, and they need to be handed out to 'distributors/printers' in the heat of battle.

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I'm not a web designer and have very limited experience with web application frameworks.  The system I've hacked out is quick-n-dirty to put it mildly.  It is just to illustrate flow.  Most of the important things are not done, and, for example, I just used a pickle instead of a real database.

I've got it running on my machine at home and have set up my firewall to redirect to it.  If anyone is interested please PM me and I'll give a test hash to try out.  Or the source code to run locally (but again, I caution that it is just a few hours of hacking and is totally throw-away.)

Here is the '/help' output if would help illustrate anything (I used random 'two_word' variation of 'hashes' because I think it would be more user friendly and good enough for the purpose of this project the project stands in my mind.)

- / - info about 'operationbitcoin'.
- /help - this message.
- /reload - reload class objects.
- /die - try to shut down server.
- /{campaign} - e.g., /ows info about campaign (funds, stats, etc.)
- /{campaign}/{hash} - e.g., /ows/bird_rock.
- /{campaign}/{hash}/info - info about user.
- /{campaign}/{hash}/[0123] - user's {n}th page.
- /{campaign}/{hash}/reset - demo-only...wipes user from db.

I've no idea what the future of this variant of solution is.  I hope some of the ideas are adopted by this (operationbitcoin.org) project.  If not, I may or may not continue to pursue it.  Although I would learn a lot of things I would like to know (about implementing web-apps and such) by continuing dev work here, I've a short attention span which is not conducive to operating long running projects.

awesome!

Additional 5.0101 btc donation sent. Thank you for organizing this.

BTW, I will be heading back down on Tuesday - if folks are gonna be in the area and want to have an IRL bitcoin gathering, send me a PM...

Quick update: 1,000 cards have been printed and are en route to NYC. The plan is for them to start handing out on Monday

Donations thus far will be going to the printing and shipping expense, and then to maintaining the Bitcoin Faucet (linked from operationbitcoin.org which is QR'd on the cards). There is also an effort to do instawallet preloaded cards with sequential printing, and donation will thus be used to fund that as well.

And THANK YOU to all the generous donations!!! We'll be continuing this project into the other big cities if this protest spreads (word on the street says it is spreading indeed).

As I left winger, a liberal, and something of a socialist, lemme clue you in about how I and a lot of my friends feel.


Anyone can see that 'communism' has little or nothing going for it.  Anyone using the term is almost certainly an brainwashed FoxNews/KochParty simpletons.


I'm going to skip commenting about this at this time and say only that you've indeed identified some things to be mindful of.

But if anyone interprets 'obsolete the fed' as 'pro-wall street' it is likely that it is because we are suspicious that 'wall street money' can and does corrupt political organizations.  Just as does 'Soros money' or whatever.

Very nice! Did the word "decentralized" make it onto the cards that are going to be handed out? I think it's a must.

Where are you guys getting your news from I wonder... is it Fox spreading that sort of BS?

Remember that most of these people have communist sympathies.  So instead of "centrally-planned" put "centrally-controlled" and instead of "fiat" put "corporate".  Completely remove any reference to the federal reserve.  Ending/obsoleting the Fed is Ron Paul's signature issue.  Many of the other republicans have started parroting him.  Perry said that the Fed is treasonous.  These people associate anti-fed = republican = wall street.  Yes, some of these people will read "obsolete the fed" and interpret it as "pro-wall street".

http://operationbitcoin.org and .com is online now.

comments / feedback and questions welcome.

I think that one of the best ways to avoid being taken seriously is to look like a clown and a buffoon irrespective of whether the shoe fits.  One of the biggest advantages we have is that we are, in fact, 'right' and that a lot of people will support us for that reason, but probably fewer if we are blatantly obnoxious.

I also think that if one is outgunned than it is neither wise nor effective to stand at the top of the hill with a big red target painted on your chest and yelling at the top of your lungs that you are going to decimate.  I favor more subtle attacks and believe that they will be more effective.  If we are seen as provoking a fight, nobody (myself included) is going to be real shocked if we find one.

I strongly suspect that Bitcoin has been noticed by 'the enemies' by virtue of the partial foiling of the financial isolation of wikileaks and occupywallstreet (among other things.)  I think the Bitcoin community should be brainstorming about possible modes of retribution and how best to counter any that may come up.  Painting the community as consisting primarily of dangerous wackos and self-serving scammers is a rather obvious mode of attack (in part because, in my humble opinion, there is an element of truth here) and the less that sticks the better.

I am in favor of being on the attack which is why this project has my support.  But I do believe that we have some significant handicaps and need to be clever and thoughtful about tactics.

(I agree with the 'obsolete the fed' text, BTW.  To me it implies simply that the fed is no longer necessary...thus setting aside the argument about whether it was useful in the first place.  The supporters of keeping the Federal Reserve will be put into a position of explaining why is still necessary in light of other hopefully more preferred sources of monetary management.)

Going to print tonight I believe

The page is looking good. Both the mobile and the normal version.

And as for the slogan if it were upto me, I would go with something like "Currency of the Resistance" or something similar.
 
Probably a lot more provocative and extreme than many here would want to go with, but it's what I like.
It sorta stuck with me since Max Keiser used it a while back in his show and I think it will stick with the movement like glue.

As time will surely prove, the fund for the movement will not be safe with banks for long.
It's just a matter of time they will have to rely on bitcoin similar to Wikileaks imho.

0.5 BTC sent. Make it so!

pont out that bitcoin is the most powerful distributed computing network in the world. that would make an impression on me

On the recommendation of desklok, we've now created a mobile compatible version. This is very important obviously, since everyone there will be on their phones =) 

I really like the new version. Good job!