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Topic: 'Doomsday glacier,' is holding on 'by its fingernails,' scientists say - page 2. (Read 325 times)

legendary
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I think that "whales" have more realistic forecasts, and for example, if they are still buying up real estate on the coast, it means that in the medium and even in the long term there will be no such changes - otherwise they will suffer huge losses and will not be able to "get money" from these objects. if they start to sell real estate, businesses in coastal areas - this is a bad signal.....

there are changes.. but here is the thing. they will never lose. .. there is this thing called insurance. if the property floods. they get a pay out and rebuild. it ends up cheaper than renovating every 10 years

yep many land owners buy cheap property on flood plains. rent it out where the tenants pay off the mortgage/insurance total. and when floods occur the land owner makes a claim and gets his money.

imagine buying a $100k house in 2010, but value it as worth $250k in 20 years, so you take out a $250k policy where premiums are $1430 per year for home owners insurance
your tenants are paying the mortgage+$120/month to cover your insurance cost.
the maths, insurance premiums(via tenants) paid in $1430 for 20 years=$29k~  but you get $250k when a flood happens
all without touching a penny in your own pocket

this is why people that live near the coast dont just sell home to move in-land. they love the idea of insurance payouts and rebuilds.
these days, even fema will chip in a little bit to cover costs of flood
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
Awhile ago I was curious about negative side effects of terraforming antarctica. How much woul dmelting all of the ice there raise sea levels. Sources I saw claimed sea levels could rise 100 to 200 feet above current levels if all of the ice in antarctica melted. It was an eye opening statistic.

Now it seems scientists are projecting a piece of ice the size of the US state of florida could break off the ice shelf and melt. Potentially raising sea levels 16 feet above current levels.

World leaders like Barack Obama and Ivanka Trump are not heeding these warnings. Considering they continue to buy up beach front property.

With the term climate change refugee being coined in regions like bangladesh and the maldives. As unfortunate beachfront residents are forced to move further inland.

What trends can we expect from this. And what steps can be taken to address them. Perhaps crypto tokens and coins have a role to play here in subsidizing solutions to climate change.


We need to watch the behavior behind the "dinosaurs of the world market". In today's world manipulation has reached such a scale that it is really difficult to understand where is truth, where is fiction, where is theory, and where is a real purposeful lie !
I think that "whales" have more realistic forecasts, and for example, if they are still buying up real estate on the coast, it means that in the medium and even in the long term there will be no such changes - otherwise they will suffer huge losses and will not be able to "get money" from these objects. if they start to sell real estate, businesses in coastal areas - this is a bad signal.....

Whales are not always that smart. Sometimes they are beached and die.

Here in New Jersey we have nine to ten every year.

I have a wealthy friend he has made money in banking. He made money in bonds.

He follows his winners but lately he has lost a lot on paper with his bank stocks.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/billions-crabs-went-missing-around-180012346.html

all about dying and dead crabs 🦀. not good news at all. and tracks with the doomsday glaciers.
legendary
Activity: 3752
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Awhile ago I was curious about negative side effects of terraforming antarctica. How much woul dmelting all of the ice there raise sea levels. Sources I saw claimed sea levels could rise 100 to 200 feet above current levels if all of the ice in antarctica melted. It was an eye opening statistic.

Now it seems scientists are projecting a piece of ice the size of the US state of florida could break off the ice shelf and melt. Potentially raising sea levels 16 feet above current levels.

World leaders like Barack Obama and Ivanka Trump are not heeding these warnings. Considering they continue to buy up beach front property.

With the term climate change refugee being coined in regions like bangladesh and the maldives. As unfortunate beachfront residents are forced to move further inland.

What trends can we expect from this. And what steps can be taken to address them. Perhaps crypto tokens and coins have a role to play here in subsidizing solutions to climate change.


We need to watch the behavior behind the "dinosaurs of the world market". In today's world manipulation has reached such a scale that it is really difficult to understand where is truth, where is fiction, where is theory, and where is a real purposeful lie !
I think that "whales" have more realistic forecasts, and for example, if they are still buying up real estate on the coast, it means that in the medium and even in the long term there will be no such changes - otherwise they will suffer huge losses and will not be able to "get money" from these objects. if they start to sell real estate, businesses in coastal areas - this is a bad signal.....
sr. member
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www.licx.io
!!!!!!! Actually, this is a nature journey !!!!!!!

The issue of climate change is an urgent and global issue, and there are many steps we as a society can take to reduce its impact. Tokens and cryptocurrencies I think have the potential to play an important role in the future sustainable energy consumption is likely to see a lot of projects emerge in this regard, made possible by the low-cost and peer-to-peer aspects of blockchain technology in general.

I think there are many institutions or Disaster Management Agency that have represented a big step in managing water and land using technology. all hope to continue to solve the problem of climate change, but we must start acting with the right mindset.

------ and what is certain is that there must be mitigation preparations, at least from ourselves and our families if this happens at any time --------
legendary
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(CNN)Antarctica's so-called "doomsday glacier" -- nicknamed because of its high risk of collapse and threat to global sea level -- has the potential to rapidly retreat in the coming years, scientists say, amplifying concerns over the extreme sea level rise that would accompany its potential demise.

The Thwaites Glacier, capable of raising sea level by several feet, is eroding along its underwater base as the planet warms. In a study published Monday in the journal Nature Geoscience, scientists mapped the glacier's historical retreat, hoping to learn from its past what the glacier will likely do in the future.

They found that at some point in the past two centuries, the base of the glacier dislodged from the seabed and retreated at a rate of 1.3 miles (2.1 kilometers) per year. That's twice the rate that scientists have observed in the past decade or so.

That swift disintegration possibly occurred "as recently as the mid-20th century," Alastair Graham, the study's lead author and a marine geophysicist at the University of South Florida, said in a news release.

It suggests the Thwaites has the capability to undergo a rapid retreat in the near future, once it recedes past a seabed ridge that is helping to keep it in check.
"Thwaites is really holding on today by its fingernails, and we should expect to see big changes over small timescales in the future -- even from one year to the next -- once the glacier retreats beyond a shallow ridge in its bed," Robert Larter, a marine geophysicist and one of the study's co-authors from the British Antarctic Survey, said in the release.

The Thwaites Glacier, located in West Antarctica, is one of the widest on Earth and is larger than the state of Florida. But it's just a faction of the West Antarctic ice sheet, which holds enough ice to raise sea level by up to 16 feet, according to NASA.

As the climate crisis has accelerated, this region has been closely monitored because of its rapid melting and its capacity for widespread coastal destruction.

The Thwaites Glacier itself has concerned scientists for decades. As early as 1973, researchers questioned whether it was at high risk of collapse. Nearly a decade later, they found that -- because the glacier is grounded to a seabed, rather than to dry land -- warm ocean currents could melt the glacier from underneath, causing it to destabilize from below.
It was because of that research that scientists began calling the region around the Thwaites the "weak underbelly of the West Antarctic ice sheet."

In the 21st century, researchers began documenting the Thwaites' rapid retreat in an alarming series of studies.

In 2001, satellite data showed the grounding line was receding by around 0.6 miles (1 kilometer) per year. In 2020, scientists found evidence that warm water was indeed flowing across the base of the glacier, melting it from underneath.

And then in 2021, a study showed the Thwaites Ice Shelf, which helps to stabilize the glacier and hold the ice back from flowing freely into the ocean, could shatter within five years.

"From the satellite data, we're seeing these big fractures spreading across the ice shelf surface, essentially weakening the fabric of the ice; kind of a bit like a windscreen crack," Peter Davis, an oceanographer with the British Antarctic Survey, told CNN in 2021. "It's slowly spreading across the ice shelf and eventually it's going to fracture into lots of different pieces."

Monday's findings, which suggest the Thwaites is capable of receding at a much faster pace than recently thought, were documented on a 20-hour mission in extreme conditions that mapped an underwater area the size of Houston, according to a news release.

Graham said that this research "was truly a once in a lifetime mission," but that the team hopes to return soon to gather samples from the seabed so they can determine when the previous rapid retreats occurred. That could help scientists predict future changes to the "doomsday glacier," which scientists had previously assumed would be slow to undergo change -- something Graham said this study disproves.
"Just a small kick to the Thwaites could lead to a big response," Graham said.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/05/world/thwaites-doomsday-glacier-sea-level-climate/index.html


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Awhile ago I was curious about negative side effects of terraforming antarctica. How much woul dmelting all of the ice there raise sea levels. Sources I saw claimed sea levels could rise 100 to 200 feet above current levels if all of the ice in antarctica melted. It was an eye opening statistic.

Now it seems scientists are projecting a piece of ice the size of the US state of florida could break off the ice shelf and melt. Potentially raising sea levels 16 feet above current levels.

World leaders like Barack Obama and Ivanka Trump are not heeding these warnings. Considering they continue to buy up beach front property.

With the term climate change refugee being coined in regions like bangladesh and the maldives. As unfortunate beachfront residents are forced to move further inland.

What trends can we expect from this. And what steps can be taken to address them. Perhaps crypto tokens and coins have a role to play here in subsidizing solutions to climate change.
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