Topic: Door To Door Forced Vaccinations Now Taking Place in Samoa - page 3. (Read 552 times)

no no no
try friggen reading the pdf you linked..
since 2002 it was said measles was irradicated and then due to international flights from countries that are not so good.. people spread the virus..
READ IT. it says it on page 1

the tests for virus vs vaccine is not about the vaccine causing a spread. its about.
" Since approximately 5% of recipients of measles virus-containing vaccine experience rash and fever which maybe indistinguishable from measles (9), it is very important to identify vaccine reactions to avoid unnecessary isolation of the patient, as well as the need for contact tracing andother labor-intensive public health interventions."

its basically saying 100% of people getting the vaccine dont get measles. but 5% get symptoms of rash and fever which are not measles but can accidently be diagnosed as measles meaning those people and their families then get isolated even though they shouldnt be BECAUSE IT WAS NOT MEASLES

please just try to read things properly

the point of the real-time PCR is to identify whos just got a rash/fever. and to just tell them to get lost. so they can actually concentrate on the unvaccinated people that have true measles

no where in the report does it highlight that its the vaccines that is causing the virus
it does mention that the virus is being imported from other countries

yep. all them hippy parents that foster/adopt kids from developing countries end up bringing across all the diseases with it.
yep all them parents saying no to vaccine make their kid a target to actually get it.

It may seem that way, but there has only been one reported measles related death in the United States in the past 5 years.  About 70 million MMR vaccines were given during that time.
 https://www.cdc.gov/measles/downloads/measlesdataandstatsslideset.pdf

No. Contagiousness is not the problem. Danger is the problem.

People have been getting measles here and there for thousands of years. A few die from it, but almost 100% of them live past it.

Now, it seems, that people are getting a different kind of measles from the MMR vaccine. And it seems to be far more contagious than natural measles. And it seems to be spreading death far more than natural measles.

Seems like you love the idea that people are being killed by vaccine companies. What are you, a one-man population reduction promoter? A PR man for population reduction! Wow!

Yes, you didn't bother reading the subject of the topic at all, but people that confirm your bias are right of course. You admittedly know nothing of the subject matter, but of course you are right. You didn't even bother reading the thread where I explained they are GOING DOOR TO DOOR GIVING FORCED VACCINATIONS. That is what compulsory means in this context. If the Nazis were alive today there would be a line of them around the block for the first class on your knees servicing you would be giving them. You are a repulsive human being.

The problem is how contagious it is.

If you are in the same room as someone with Measles for a few minutes, you're probably going to get the measles.  And it takes 4 days for the first symptoms to appear while you're still contagious.  If you are healthy and not too old or too young it won't kill you.  But if you come into contact with someone really old or young or with other medical issues during that four day period, things will be a lot more serious for them.  It just spreads like crazy.

That's just what the doctors say though. 

Except that the vaccine info expounded by the anti-vaxxers is right... at least regarding the efficacy of vaccines.

It seems that Samoa had a few cases of measles as virtually all countries do. Then the vaccines started for an epidemic that was far from an epidemic in proportions. Then the measles got worse than they had ever been.

How "worse" did the measles get? People around the world get measles and sit in bed for a week or two. Then they get up and go about life, free from measles. A few die. But people die from all kinds of things all over the place, and nobody will ever stop it from happening. But...

When you add the vaccines like in Samoa, the deaths rapidly mount, and cases of measles abound. In addition, as Robert Kennedy, Jr., found, there are no conclusive safety studies for any vaccines.

You might say for Samoa, think of how bad the epidemic of measles would have been if there weren't any vaccines. But there is no evidence from any country of measles causing an epidemic like this. We can only conclude that it is the vaccine causing the measles.

Franky is right.  

Compulsory just means they might get fined or banned from public places (especially children in school) if they don't get vaccinated.  ( I don't know know how exactly they are handling it in Samoa, but they obviously aren't going door to door holding down anyone who tries to refuse, I think most likely they are just saying 'NEW RULE, EVERYBODY HAS TO GET VACCINATED, THERE'S A MEASELS OUTBREAK!).  In most US states, by law if you want to send your child to public school you gotta prove they've had all the required vaccinations.  That's compulsory vaccination.  (there are medical exemptions obviously)

Google 'compulsory vaccinations' instead of just 'compulsory'

What makes the article interesting isn't that that Samoa is making the measles vaccine compulsory during a major measles outbreak, that's just common sense and happens all over the world.  It's the fact that they are taking action against people spreading anti vax propaganda and discouraging people from getting vaccinated.

Its unfortunate that it has gotten to the point of people being forced to get vaccinated but I still feel its largely because its the last option for them in that country to avoid an epidemic breakout. But really, I have seen people affected with polio which would have been avoided by vaccination but because their parents believes that its wrong such child was not vaccinated. Polio being just of the reasons, when I see the suffering such child was made to undergo and the amount of funds that is being committed to such vaccination projects, I would wish if they can be forced to get the child vaccinated by every means necessary in other to save the child from unending agony.

Learn to read "The specific order, therefore, to vaccinate is compulsory and is to be complied with..."

Do you know what the word "compulsory" means? It means no refusal allowed.

yes i go against what you say because what you say is stupid.

you have shown lack of knowledge lack of common sense and lack of experience but you pretend to be an adviser telling people to take court action on things you have no clue about. not only the topic but the methods of court.

your karl lentz references are proof of that.

courts can work but not the way you prescribe taking them.
standing up in court saying "im a man" is meaningless. asking to face your accuser and then deny the accuser exists is meaningless.
your whole pretense of thinking the accuser has to be the 'man' doing the harm is meaningless

accusers do not have to be the perpretator. the victims spokesperson does not need to be the victim.
in your mind if people actually followed your stupid advice it would require the child being in court having to explain why they dont want to be vaccinated. and the doctor holding the needle being on the opposition.

you have no clue. especially when you keep thinking courts by default have jury sat waiting for random people to turn up. just shows you dont know how the court process works at all.

if you want to actually learn how to win at court. do some friggen proper research away from the freeman cult mis-directs. you will learn alot more that way. yo are too stuck in the freemanhole you dug yourself. that you cannot see how small it is compared to the rest of the world. it has become your whole ife experience that you think the universe revolved around a 6 foot deep hole you decided to lay in. you just cant quite see the real world outside your hole, so you deny it exists

just get out your hole and try to gain some real life experience and some actual reality

^^^ Oh, franky1. You talk like you are right in court in this forum. When are you going to wake up and realize that the forum is simply a presentation of points and ideas? Outside of the moderators, the court is not this forum.

There are lots of things that you do in court that you don't do here. The forum isn't the place for every last answer for every last circumstance. Why do you keep on suggesting that court actions don't work and then in the next sentence suggest they do?

Wake up and realize that all you are doing is talking against things that I say because it is I who says them.

oh badecker.. seriously.. refering to karl lentz again...
shows how little you have learned over the last few months.

here is the funny part
in other topics you claim the risk of harm is not harm until actual harm is done..
then this topic you pretend the risk of harm is harm...

you cant even grasp the reality of either case and thus end up getting both wrong

by the way. going to court wont get governments laws changed.
but hey. you have obviously not been in a courtroom ever in your life so you have yet to learn this stuff..
your 'experience' is youtube and freeman websites. which just shows your limited knowledge and skills,

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as for this topic.
people can individually refuse vaccinations. what is being said is that organisations that try to stop other people are told to stop.
EG its like anti-abortion/prolife crowds

women themselves can choose to keep or abort a fetus (independant thought of the woman). but the organisations acting like cults trying to brainwash others.. shouldnt be forcing /swaying a woman in any direction...

oh and one more thing
when going to court. dont expect automatic victory just because you went to court quoting badeckers freeman crap.. badecker has no clue and freeman dont either.

many people have gone to court following that foolishness and lost.
and whats badeckers typical response. 'oh you done it wrong'
what he doesnt realise is those people done it following the wrong advice aka freeman advice

and if you ned proof. google it

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did you know people have taken cases to court and went through all the avenues all the way to the top courts and still lost. there was even a case where parents went to court to try being allowed to take their hospitalised baby to another country for treatment whereby the hospital the baby was currently in could not cure the baby(coz it was incurable) the parents obviously lost because there was no life-benefit of the parents actions. the hospital was right.
yea we can understan the emotions of parents wanting the best for their kids. but just assuming the parents will win because they are the parents and parents know best is not reality. sometimes parents dont know best.

^^^ Notice that I said, "When they become a threat to you personally, take them to court." The threat is when somebody passes a bill in government.

For example, we need people to determine what the personal threat of Trump being impeached is, and file man-to-man claims against anybody who is pushing the impeachment... and do it right now.

Check out the several "JC and Shaman" videos at https://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos... Craig Lynch's site. JC and Shaman did a lot of the stuff that Karl Lentz talked about and knew about, but didn't do himself.



EDIT: Try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6bN-43ojbQ.

While your solution isn't necessarily incorrect, it won't help you much if you are held at gunpoint at your doorstep and forced to be vaccinated.

Remember that in America, your body is your property. That is, it is proper to you. If you don't like forced vaccination or anything else, file a claim against the man or woman who is subjecting your body to their authority without your authorization.

Study Karl Lentz, Gus Breton, Craig Lynch on Youtube, Bill Thornton, and others who promote common law court of record. You don't have to wait for the bad guys to actually touch you. When they become a threat to you personally, take them to court.


WARNING! The Vaccines Are A Trojan Horse - Zach Vorhies




Right click the video link at the end of the quoted area (directly above), and "Save video as... ."

Interesting. Isn't Samoa like a really small country? If there's sometime of new diseases it can take everyone out. Having said that, in such a small country people should be allowed to choose if they want to be vaccinated. If there's a measles outbreak for example, then those who chose not to will get it and does who did will not.

"All state of emergency orders ... are legally binding on the community. The specific order, therefore, to vaccinate is compulsory and is to be complied with," the statement read. "Any person that actively discourages or prevents in any way members of the community from receiving their vaccination injection is hereby warned to cease immediately, and is similarly warned not to take any further action of that kind.”

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/samoa-introduces-mass-compulsory-vaccination-drive/

The escalation of tactics has been growing now for a while. I have heard backpedaling from the "vaccinate at all costs" crowd for some time. At first they said it was completely safe and effective, and that was proven wrong. Then they said it would never be compulsory, and that was proven wrong. Then it was selectively compulsory and being required to go to school or go to government buildings, and they still cried it would never go further. Now they are literally going door to door with police injecting people against their will. This is the kind of thing that was done in Nazi Germany and the entire reason medical consent laws were created to begin with so that never again would a tyrannical state force medical treatment and experimentation upon its population without full informed consent. People have been warning about this escalation for a long time and you all dismiss them as the tactics steadily escalate incrementally into treating the population as herd animals with no rights to bodily autonomy.

Do they need to start executing people who resist now in the streets before you will wake the fuck up and see the pattern here or will you just be silent then too out of fear? This pattern has played out before. Don't let it happen again. Grow a fucking spine and stand up to this absolute tyrannical and genocidal behavior. It is no coincidence this escalation is being tested as a dry run in a smaller US territory filled with ethnic minorities. This is to work out the bugs before they roll it out across the USA and the rest of the world. What side of history will you be on?