Supposedly Dorians brother, just posted this on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zx2j3/dorian_satoshi_nakamoto_my_brother/
Mis-quoting and blatant lies are unfortunately the journalistic world that exist today. I am just a humble handsome Asian man who is confused as to how a female asshole can become transferred onto my brother's rear end. But I saw with my own eyes from released video that there is a surgeon operating without an ethical or moral license to do exactly that.
I and my immediate family were frightened due to obvious safety concerns, angered by our privacy being invaded and highly concerned over a gentle man trying, trying to recover from his life threatening health concerns. He was so private that he did not tell me when he was going through his health threats, only told me quietly when I visited the house in Temple City to take our mother for lunch. And I am his blood brother.
I recall as a child that I looked up to Dorian who I believe is many times smarter than I am. He taught me at a toddler, protected me from harm and shared with me Manga, Japanese comic books and made up fantastic stories til I fell asleep. I am forever indebted to him in saving my life when I was 9 years old. I called the writer an asshole and told her to leave my brother alone but the whole world did not read that. Dorian can be stubborn and be an ass but then I am telling the whole world right here and now that I and 2 other people in the whole world can say that to him and we are forgiven by him. He can call me that too and has and maybe an idiot, but you know, he was probably right. How dare Leah demean and endanger my brother's health and safety and the safety of an 93 year old lady, our mother. Who is going to be responsible in their safety, her? I place her and Newsweek and all news organizations who joined in to be held responsible for their blatant and open carelessness.
I understand that I will be mis-quoted and that I will be made out to be the brother who is the asshole remark guy. What I wanted to do is to plead to allow Dorian to live whatever life he has left to live it in dignity, peace and in private. To let him play with his trains and obsess over being treated to free lunches that he craves for some reason since his stroke. What's a real bitch (I am welling with tears right now) is that I cannot physically go to to see him and my mother to be of family support or call for fear of my immediate family being in physical danger.
Topic: Dorian Satoshi being the real Satoshi? here are some facts... - page 2. (Read 3237 times)
Personally I know that if someone started emailing me about a hobby of mine pretending to share a common interest and then I found out that they were lying the whole time I would immediately break off all contact with them.
How many senior citizens are conned by people? Surely Dorian would have heard about the scammers online.
Dorian rightly must have concluded that the Newsweek reporter Leah McGrath Goodman was nothing more than a scam artist. If your entire relationship with someone is based on a lie you will rightly become upset. Some people will argue with you when they find out they have been lied to. Others will just break off contact.
Then when you start stalking someone at their home as Leah did, they are likely to call the cops as you are clearly a lying and conniving sack of shit the likes of Leah McGrath Goodman.
How many senior citizens are conned by people? Surely Dorian would have heard about the scammers online.
Dorian rightly must have concluded that the Newsweek reporter Leah McGrath Goodman was nothing more than a scam artist. If your entire relationship with someone is based on a lie you will rightly become upset. Some people will argue with you when they find out they have been lied to. Others will just break off contact.
Then when you start stalking someone at their home as Leah did, they are likely to call the cops as you are clearly a lying and conniving sack of shit the likes of Leah McGrath Goodman.
what are the odds that some random guy--who for arguments sake is NOT the real Satoshi Nakamoto-- has the same name AND has worked as a systems engineer which happens to sell tech based on cryptography?
Close to 100%. Statistics is obviously not your strong suit.except that I am not the Reddit user, I just copied and pasted here, your focusing is poor...
what are the odds that some random guy--who for arguments sake is NOT the real Satoshi Nakamoto-- has the same name AND has worked as a systems engineer which happens to sell tech based on cryptography?
Close to 100%. Statistics is obviously not your strong suit.
also this from reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zwa1b/conspiracy_theory_nakamotos_link_to_nsalevel/
Not trying to fan the flames of bad journalism. But what are the odds that some random guy--who for arguments sake is NOT the real Satoshi Nakamoto-- has the same name AND has worked as a systems engineer which happens to sell tech based on cryptography?
According to the original Newsweak story, if the fact remains true, Dorian Nakamoto worked for Radio Corporation of America which is now called L3 Communications.
Now look at a job ad for L3 Communications:
"[Candidates] have knowledge of cryptographic technology, algorithms, and secure protocols. This includes Suite A and Suite B encryption algorithms defined by NSA, Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) and the NSA Key Management Infrastructure (KMI)."
Systems Engineer Job Ad on LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/7482605
I did some Googling of "L3 Communications, SHA, Crytpography" and found that this company could have employed someone who could have created bitcoin. (lots of coulds)
But then again I could be full of shit too!
edit. Notice the address on page 2 of this L3 document http://www2.l-3com.com/cs-east/pdf/unitycp.pdf . Dorian Nakamoto worked at the same place presumably.
edit 2. Not saying this Dorian guy is the real SN. My point is, what are the odds that this guy's background points to a career working with a company that essentially works almost exclusively for NSA (among other military agencies) with crypto tech/hardware?
Not trying to fan the flames of bad journalism. But what are the odds that some random guy--who for arguments sake is NOT the real Satoshi Nakamoto-- has the same name AND has worked as a systems engineer which happens to sell tech based on cryptography?
According to the original Newsweak story, if the fact remains true, Dorian Nakamoto worked for Radio Corporation of America which is now called L3 Communications.
Now look at a job ad for L3 Communications:
"[Candidates] have knowledge of cryptographic technology, algorithms, and secure protocols. This includes Suite A and Suite B encryption algorithms defined by NSA, Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) and the NSA Key Management Infrastructure (KMI)."
Systems Engineer Job Ad on LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/7482605
I did some Googling of "L3 Communications, SHA, Crytpography" and found that this company could have employed someone who could have created bitcoin. (lots of coulds)
But then again I could be full of shit too!
edit. Notice the address on page 2 of this L3 document http://www2.l-3com.com/cs-east/pdf/unitycp.pdf . Dorian Nakamoto worked at the same place presumably.
edit 2. Not saying this Dorian guy is the real SN. My point is, what are the odds that this guy's background points to a career working with a company that essentially works almost exclusively for NSA (among other military agencies) with crypto tech/hardware?
The satoshi reply on P2P foundation states " I am not Dorian Nakamoto" so he ignores spelling the full name, someone posted a Video, it was recorded 2 days before the newsweek article, what is interesting that even in the Temple City, City Council Regular Meeting , that was recorded March 04, 2014 http://youtu.be/7KLaskPoc7g?t=21m8s he announced his name by Dorian nakamoto, didn't spell the full name.
Edit: He was moving to more important projects " requesting a stop sign"
(just kidding)
Edit: He was moving to more important projects " requesting a stop sign"
(just kidding) It's possible that I've missed something. If he really did confirm saying "he was no longer involved in bitcoin" do link to the video.
There is no video of this posted anywhere. There might be a reason for that.
That was the answer Leah got when she asked him next to the two police officers. It was not mpeg'ed.
The phrase was; "he was no longer involved in it" after being asked about bitcoin, according to Leah. The cops were witnesses to that dialogue.
It's possible that I've missed something. If he really did confirm saying "he was no longer involved in bitcoin" do link to the video.
There is no video of this posted anywhere. There might be a reason for that.
Reasons to let this matter drop:
An old man and his family are being harassed for no good reason. No, simply having the name he does is not a good reason. It is a terrible reason and you should feel bad for still digging into it.
Far less importantly, the more people keep talking about it the more uncertainty the longer it will take until the price rebounds.
This complete bitch got close to him with lies and deceit. She does not deserve any kind of support, not even in the form of threads like this one.
An old man and his family are being harassed for no good reason. No, simply having the name he does is not a good reason. It is a terrible reason and you should feel bad for still digging into it.
Far less importantly, the more people keep talking about it the more uncertainty the longer it will take until the price rebounds.
This complete bitch got close to him with lies and deceit. She does not deserve any kind of support, not even in the form of threads like this one.
Something came into my mind, about Dorian Satoshi (yes I am not letting this go...yet), while there is no real evidence to prove the link between him and Bitcoin, and while we don't know if this guy have any cryptography knowledge, we know that he is mathematician and an old fashion programmer, this all fits the story but something doesn't seem to sum up.
when the reporter first contacted him by e-mail that she got from the company he was purchasing parts from, she first showed interest about his model trains and she pointed out that he was responding to her e-mails normally, so she had some interaction with him, until she brought up Bitcoin, she stated that only then he stopped replying to her mails.
she tried to get in touch with him, she even got in touch with his son and asked him if he can talk him to talk about bitcoin with her, the answer was negative.
we all know about these facts, the most thing that I cant seem to understand, and I can be wrong because this depends about the character and personality of Dorian, is why Dorian got so defensive when she brought up Bitcoin ?
If he is not the creator of Bitcoin, or he "play" that he doesn't even know what is a Bitcoin, why he got so defensive, why didn't he just talk with her and ask her what the hell is this Bitcoin ? wasn't the best move from his side to just talk as a normal person who doesn't have a clue about Bitcoin and talk her that this is the first time he hear about this "brand" or tell her that he have heard about this before but he has no idea who used his name and things would be better ? the defensive move he took shows fear, and why he is afraid of something that he doesn't know about ?
She stated that she asked him first by mail, then she reached family members and told them about Bitcoin, then she tried to talk him face to face, it is just then when he called the police and told her "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it", so to say that he didn't know what she was talking about is just misleading, he knew for 2 months and he had plenty of time to ask what Bitcoin is or at least search the subject.... but he was defensive the moment she brought it up.
just yesterday I was analyzing facts about Dorian, and I was almost sure that he is not the one, but today I started thinking and I am not letting this go....
Edit, also this:
he confirmed telling "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it" so she didnt lie here, also this means that he knew about what she was talking about, this guy is not dumb....
see in this Video he said " i ahve nothing with developing, I was just an eginneer doing something else" http://youtu.be/-oRq7e8GMII so he knew abou the developing part.
but the funnier thing is that here he said : " I have nothing to do with Bitcoin, I never worked for the company...." http://youtu.be/kk2Lys4CuDU?t=48s so now Bitcoin is a company...
this guy is just trying to hide something..
when the reporter first contacted him by e-mail that she got from the company he was purchasing parts from, she first showed interest about his model trains and she pointed out that he was responding to her e-mails normally, so she had some interaction with him, until she brought up Bitcoin, she stated that only then he stopped replying to her mails.
she tried to get in touch with him, she even got in touch with his son and asked him if he can talk him to talk about bitcoin with her, the answer was negative.
we all know about these facts, the most thing that I cant seem to understand, and I can be wrong because this depends about the character and personality of Dorian, is why Dorian got so defensive when she brought up Bitcoin ?
If he is not the creator of Bitcoin, or he "play" that he doesn't even know what is a Bitcoin, why he got so defensive, why didn't he just talk with her and ask her what the hell is this Bitcoin ? wasn't the best move from his side to just talk as a normal person who doesn't have a clue about Bitcoin and talk her that this is the first time he hear about this "brand" or tell her that he have heard about this before but he has no idea who used his name and things would be better ? the defensive move he took shows fear, and why he is afraid of something that he doesn't know about ?
She stated that she asked him first by mail, then she reached family members and told them about Bitcoin, then she tried to talk him face to face, it is just then when he called the police and told her "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it", so to say that he didn't know what she was talking about is just misleading, he knew for 2 months and he had plenty of time to ask what Bitcoin is or at least search the subject.... but he was defensive the moment she brought it up.
just yesterday I was analyzing facts about Dorian, and I was almost sure that he is not the one, but today I started thinking and I am not letting this go....
Edit, also this:
he confirmed telling "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it" so she didnt lie here, also this means that he knew about what she was talking about, this guy is not dumb....
see in this Video he said " i ahve nothing with developing, I was just an eginneer doing something else" http://youtu.be/-oRq7e8GMII so he knew abou the developing part.
but the funnier thing is that here he said : " I have nothing to do with Bitcoin, I never worked for the company...." http://youtu.be/kk2Lys4CuDU?t=48s so now Bitcoin is a company...
this guy is just trying to hide something..
Please remove the word "facts" from your title.. Jesus this is annoying.. "reporter said this".. "reporter said that".. yeah this is 100% the opposite of "fact" I hate you OP
until she brought up Bitcoin, she stated that only then he stopped replying to her mails.
she tried to get in touch with him, she even got in touch with his son and asked him if he can talk him to talk about bitcoin with her
we all know about these facts
She stated that she asked him
told her "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it"
"this guy is just trying to hide something.."
she tried to get in touch with him, she even got in touch with his son and asked him if he can talk him to talk about bitcoin with her
we all know about these facts
She stated that she asked him
told her "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it"
"this guy is just trying to hide something.."
You just went full retard, unless you're unfamiliar with the meaning of the word 'fact'.
'Fact' is not some bitch saying she heard someone say something that she desperately wanted to hear.
Especially when it's the same bitch that said BTC price fell to $100-something.
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he confirmed telling "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it"
It's possible that I've missed something. If he really did confirm saying "he was no longer involved in bitcoin" do link to the video.
you didn't even take time to watch the videos all around the place... Dorian said that when he said "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it" he meant that he is no longer an engineer, so he confirmed that, this is why it became a fact...
Seriously guys I have no Idea why most of you are defensive, we are just discussing the possibility here, there is no reason to trash me, give me the counter argument instead of calling me names...
until she brought up Bitcoin, she stated that only then he stopped replying to her mails.
she tried to get in touch with him, she even got in touch with his son and asked him if he can talk him to talk about bitcoin with her
we all know about these facts
She stated that she asked him
told her "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it"
"this guy is just trying to hide something.."
she tried to get in touch with him, she even got in touch with his son and asked him if he can talk him to talk about bitcoin with her
we all know about these facts
She stated that she asked him
told her "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it"
"this guy is just trying to hide something.."
You just went full retard, unless you're unfamiliar with the meaning of the word 'fact'.
'Fact' is not some bitch saying she heard someone say something that she desperately wanted to hear.
Especially when it's the same bitch that said BTC price fell to $100-something.
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he confirmed telling "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it"
It's possible that I've missed something. If he really did confirm saying "he was no longer involved in bitcoin" do link to the video.
You haven't revealed anything new.
These are obvious things anyone with an IQ over twelve took note of.
You speak as if these are revelations. They're not.
The bottom line is this: Whether he is, or isn't, he deserves 100% privacy and anonymity, and to be left alone.
Given that Leah lied her way into conversation with him in the first place, her ability to lie was established.
This doesn't prove or disprove anything. But the moral of the story here is: Let the whole situation sleep.
You can secretly be giddy that you laid eyes on Satoshi if you like. But all you're doing is prolonging this guys misery by continuing to discuss it. Whether he is Satoshi or not.
-B-
These are obvious things anyone with an IQ over twelve took note of.
You speak as if these are revelations. They're not.
The bottom line is this: Whether he is, or isn't, he deserves 100% privacy and anonymity, and to be left alone.
Given that Leah lied her way into conversation with him in the first place, her ability to lie was established.
This doesn't prove or disprove anything. But the moral of the story here is: Let the whole situation sleep.
You can secretly be giddy that you laid eyes on Satoshi if you like. But all you're doing is prolonging this guys misery by continuing to discuss it. Whether he is Satoshi or not.
-B-
I am afraid you are right
. And even though I was initially surprised/shocked, I am now secretly giddy. Satoshi turned out not to be what we expected him to be - or to be precise, what I did - but I find him very likable and he grows on me.
I am actually rather convinced by the fact that he used reversed Polish notation that Satoshi would be now 55+, and not anywhere in his 30s. His programming style also fits more physicist than a professional programmer. And not being interested in money - preferring Prius to Porsche and quite suburban life to fortifying one self in ultra luxury residence and traveling around the world in private jet .. also sounds more like what somebody more of retired age would do, than a relatively young person. But of course personality is most important factor for this kind of choices, not age.
there is no chance the reporter is lying. reporters are definitely not prone to lying to get a good story.
he confirmed telling "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it" so she didnt lie here, also this means that he knew about what she was talking about, this guy is not dumb....
see in this Video he said " i ahve nothing with developing, I was just an eginneer doing something else" http://youtu.be/-oRq7e8GMII so he knew abou the developing part.
but the funnier thing is that here he said : " I have nothing to do with Bitcoin, I never worked for the company...." http://youtu.be/kk2Lys4CuDU?t=48s so now Bitcoin is a company... this guy is just trying to hide something..
According to the article i read he also said this in the interview:
Asked if he said the quote, Nakamoto responded, "no."
"I'm saying I'm no longer in engineering. That's it,"
he said " I wasn't talking about Bitcoin but about being an engineer", so she asked about Bitcoin clearly but he heard engineering ?
If he's telling the truth, then he thought she was talking about something to do with his engineering.
Going by the article, it seems he denied saying the quote word for word as it is.
we all wanted to know who is Satoshi
No, we all don't. When someone wants privacy, I respect that.
you are even lying or brave, I for my self wanted to know who is the real Satoshi, so I am correcting "I wanted to know who is Satoshi" am I an asshole ? I dont care if you think that about me...
Wow... I didn't say you were an asshole, I simply said I don't care to know who Satoshi is.
I didnt say you called me an asshole, I said if you think that I am an asshole for trying to know he is, then I don't give a flying fuck...
If Satoshi Nakamoto was a group of people instead of an individual it would be the dumbest thing ever to name that group after one of its members. And he's 60+ years old, what are the chances someone of that age comes up with an idea like Bitcoin and has the technological know-how to actually help develop it?
very likely
my ex-boss was also in his age, an IT engineer and you cant even imagine what he could do, we were amazed sometimes there is no chance the reporter is lying. reporters are definitely not prone to lying to get a good story.
he confirmed telling "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it" so she didnt lie here, also this means that he knew about what she was talking about, this guy is not dumb....
see in this Video he said " i ahve nothing with developing, I was just an eginneer doing something else" http://youtu.be/-oRq7e8GMII so he knew abou the developing part.
but the funnier thing is that here he said : " I have nothing to do with Bitcoin, I never worked for the company...." http://youtu.be/kk2Lys4CuDU?t=48s so now Bitcoin is a company... this guy is just trying to hide something..
According to the article i read he also said this in the interview:
Asked if he said the quote, Nakamoto responded, "no."
"I'm saying I'm no longer in engineering. That's it,"
he said " I wasn't talking about Bitcoin but about being an engineer", so she asked about Bitcoin clearly but he heard engineering ?
Stroke victim...
yes, I feel sorry for him having a stroke, I really do, but he seemed in a perfect physical and mental status when he asked for his free lunch, he also did speak very well for the AP journalist, he understood the questions very well and he cleared his name with wise words.
the stroke didn't seem to effect him... I would say he is afraid, which is normal if he is the real satoshi...
The police officers from the article already confirmed that the quoted conversation happened as specified.
“I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it. It’s been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection.”
If that was truly said, hard to wiggle out of it.
“I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it. It’s been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection.”
If that was truly said, hard to wiggle out of it.
If Satoshi Nakamoto was a group of people instead of an individual it would be the dumbest thing ever to name that group after one of its members. And he's 60+ years old, what are the chances someone of that age comes up with an idea like Bitcoin and has the technological know-how to actually help develop it?
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