Topic: Douglus should remove cryptodevil from DT due to conflict of interest (Read 8994 times)

I think most of the people that have been here a while have made their own trust list long ago. Over time you learn who you can trust or not. Default is pretty much just there so the newcomers have something to start with

Yeah but it's suspicion based on reason and evaluation of the facts as presented, namely, a brand new account posting lengthy apologia for a scamcoin supporting an MLM. Coupled with your obvious experience of this industry and you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who wouldn't reach the same conclusion as I regarding the likelihood of you already having one or more accounts on this forum.

I've removed the trust rating as I don't believe you are here to scam or support scams, but I still strongly assert that your posts about LEOcoin are not helpful to the conversation concerning the LEO organisation's dishonest manipulation of the credulous and ill-informed. Particularly given that most of them have limited grasp of the English language and would likely latch on to anything in your post which even suggested the possibility that LEO, as an MLM and as a cryptocurrency, *might* be legit. It clearly is not and the men running it have a long history of charges for running fraudulent schemes in various countries.

People who are so heavily invested emotionally and psychologically in the dream of 'passive income', a bullshit promotional term if ever there was one, take a LOT of convincing to see the truth of the situation. Couple that in with active sock-puppets and shills working on behalf of these scammers and it quickly becomes clear that any discussion which even suggests that *maybe* under certain circumstances, an MLM operation *might* work for *some* people and suddenly it is the invested reader who now believes their MLM is the one which will and that they will be the participant who gets to benefit from it.

Yes!


This is how trust is meant to work.  xtraelv clearly doesn't trust cryptodevil, so cryptodevil clearly doesn't belong on his trust list. If others feel the same, they'll exclude him as well.

Are you off your meds or just another social incompetent on the autism spectrum?

If you actually bothered reading a few posts below the arbitrary claim you link to in your untrusted feedback rating you would see I have already denied being an alt or employing sock-puppetry.


That you now wish to join the herd of idiots and actual sock-puppets who routinely accuse me of same, does not warrant that I jump to attention and respond to every post you make about me.

Now, seeing as we are, yet a-fucking-gain on the subject of sock-puppets and alts, I am drawn to this observation about you. Considering you claim to not have any alts or sock-puppets on this forum I find it extremely suspect that you clearly have a great deal of knowledge and experience in cryptocurrency and post about such things as your mining hardware.
I find it very very hard to believe that somebody who appears to have the experience you evidently do with cryptocurrency only thought to create an account here a couple of weeks ago.

So while you might well be the same xtraelv who uses other forums, you could have been using a different account name here prior to two weeks ago. Which means, no, you haven't proved anything about your use of alt accounts or sock-puppets.

This removes the problem for you. However trust is meant for other people to see, and you ignoring a guy won't make them see anything different.

My god. I avoid meta for a few days and this is what's going on? FFS, elv, heed the advice given, otherwise you will be painted red here forever. LOL @ how this thread turned into something completely different than the OP topic. Shouldn't this get split to a new thread?  

Ok, God knows I tried. Whatever language this is I can't speak it, sorry.

What a ridiculous statement. I could LOL at your delusions and not engage in any discussion and that would not mean I'm censoring. I can also distrust you for anything in your behavior that I consider untrustworthy and that still wouldn't mean censoring. None of it prevents you from exercising your freedom of speech. You should really look up the meaning of the word you're throwing around with such ease. Or go live in DPRK for a couple of months or something.


Since you don't seem to own a time machine that solution is not going to work. Do you still want an amicable resolution? You're not doing too well in that direction.


"Senior member" means fuck all here. You said you have proof. Do you or do you not?

For cryptodevil it would be impossible to prove a negative of this kind. Such an esteemed noob scholar should know that. So you might as well shift your focus from deepening your hole onto something more productive.

Nothing will happen.  Trust system is unmoderated.  That's been said many many times.  People receive all kinds of nonsense feedback on here all the time.  Theymos (admin) has said many times that if someone is continuously giving out low quality feedback, the result will be that people will remove that person from their trust lists.  It's not supposed to be centrally managed, it's supposed to be an organic network of feedback and trusted-feedback.


This is probably your best bet.  If you actually have positive feedback from other people, then people will have to take cryptodevil's assessment with a grain of salt.  In any case, just don't worry about it.  Go forward and stand on your principles and let time shake it out.  I know absolutely nothing about this MLM thing you guys are arguing about, but from what I can tell, you wish to defend the concept.  Well, just defend it and go forward.  The negative feedback from cryptodevil doesn't affect your stance, I take it, so you guys have said what you wanted to about each other and that's that.  Right?

Not in so many words, no.


More of a rage-quit tantrum, tbh.

Your speech is not being censored. Freedom of speech is a two way street though. As a defender of civil liberties you must be surely aware of that.


Have you asked cryptodevil to provide any comments? And again with the free speech. You should really look that up.


You have not provided any proof of cryptodevil using a sockpuppet. You provided a reference link to someone's post saying so. That doesn't make it true. That just reinforces your image as a typical noob ignoramus who rides in here on a high horse to teach everyone a lesson in "free speech". You're failing miserably so far, must try harder.

I know cryptodevil to be a reasonable enough person to consider all that so if xtraelv really wanted some resolution and not just drama - I'm sure that was possible.

I think it's pretty understandable for someone to be upset and leave retaliatory feedback for getting negative repped for defending MLM as a concept. (Although personally, I think MLM schemes are cancerous).  But if he's the same xtraelv from other sites like ebay, it's would also kind of invalidate the whole sockpuppet accusation too.

Your retaliatory feedback for cryptodevil and your reciprocal ratings with those other users (copy-pasta without reference links) don't make you look more trustworthy, quite the opposite actually. Astonishing ignorance, especially considering the plentiful reasonable advice you've been given here.

Whah?  No one would know you created a new account.  There are hundreds, if not thousands, of people on this forum who do that constantly.  You haven't used your current account much, so who cares?

Trust isn't moderated here, as everyone has said, and I've come to believe that it's a good thing.  Can you imagine the power trips and all the other BS that would go on if it were moderated?  If you think people bitch and moan now, it'd be worse by a factor of at least 5 if mods had that sort of power.  As people say, if there's no reference link, forget it. 

No one suggested that you did; asking isn't begging. Get rid of the problem (the posts which led to your negative trust) and there will be nothing to distrust you over. Cryptodevil seems like a reasonable guy so long as you're mature about it, I expect that he will reconsider should you talk to him nicely.

I don't think that the problem is the coin its self, more how it works. When looking at the feedback, this is what strikes me the most:

Ignoring the specifics of LEOcoin, you are defending something that cryptodevil sees as untrustworthy. This therefore makes you untrustworthy.
Much like tagging Ponzi promoters it is not the specific Ponzi website that is the problem - it is Ponzis all together. I think that this idea is the basis of the trust rating.

Nothing will. Read up on the DT system and you will see that moderation is near to non-existent with the exception of extreme abuse. This is not said abuse.

And unless those users are on the DT system their feedback will not affect your trust rating (when being viewed via the default trust settings). Unless those users are on DT4 or above, your trust rating will still be negative when viewed by (I expect) the majority of the forum.

There is no other way to remove the feedback unless the "self appointed cyberbully" as in your words,wants to.You know,forum's trust insn't moderated.

Nothing would happen really.You shouldn't be bothered about the feedback if people know you well.

If you were serious about cleaning this up you should stop posting, remove all your posts or at least the MLM ones, remove the neg you left for cryptodevil, and PM him asking to reconsider.

Or what Backside said.

However if you insist on the "benefits" of MLM the way you've done so far I think your trust will stay red.

Xtraelv, you can't delete accounts here, but I can't imagine you're attached to yours yet.  Just create a new one and don't give support to scammy stuff like MLMs.  Which are scams, btw.  And if you've been reading anything on this forum you'd know this sort of thing is taken quite seriously.

I quoted one line because I didn't want to bring that whole wall of text over here. Anybody can click the quote link, or cryptodevil's trust reference and decide for themselves. All I'm saying is that your trust rating is factual as far as I can see. If cryptodevil made something up, like "User is selling arms to terrorists", that would be a shitty feedback. This is not the case here. You are defending MLM and despite your disclaimer at the top of the post you seem to be making an argument for LEOcoin. If you wanted to make a generic "praise MLM" post perhaps the LEOcoin scam thread was not the best place to do it.

Edit: and nice try with the Ethereum straw man... nothing to do with your trust.