Topic: Drug free in the Philippines - page 66. (Read 77887 times)

Yes and that hurt a lot to US lol.
oh yes we can have our drug of choice any moment of the day we love it. but none of the US business anymore. we gotta kill those who use those shabus. there remains those undocumented drugs that you didn't mention like kratom and those juices from san pedro cactus.

Philippines will never be "drug free."

They love their coffee, beer, and cigarettes.

They just single out a the other drugs to demonize and prohibit.

They learned this pious hypocrisy from the Westerners they say they are going to be independent of, yet emulate their worst characteristics.

As long as you have the medical in your country, your country is not drug free.

I am routing for a drug free Philippines but I do not know if it can be attained a hundred percent.  Though as of today, there were regions in the Philippines declaring that their place is a drug free area.  Maybe it is possible if the police and other agency continuously operate with the goal of aiming yhis country a 100% drug free.  The airports, dfa, boc, and the pnp should continue to watch our country for possible intrusion of drugs from other countries.

Really?  Is "The Ends Justify The Means" your final answer?

Ok sure, a strongman will provide additional stability in rough neighborhoods like the Middle East and SE Asia.  Especially when the Muslim hordes are on the jihad.

But that's exactly the short term thinking that causes trouble in the long run.

Dictatorships are brittle because of their single point of failure.

And what happens when Dear Leader dies?

Perhaps a peaceful transition to his oldest son (like the Kings of yore).

Or perhaps a power vacuum, with consequences worse than the initial benefit.

Why not give freedom a chance?

Ending drug Prohibition would take out a major source of funding for Abu Sayyaf.

Cite: http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/30/meet-shabu-the-drug-fueling-islamic-extremism/

But that would mean Dirtarte and his moralizing supporters would have to admit being wrong, and their giant, virtue-signaling egos won't allow that.  

And let's be honest, the .ph gov't has been looking for a way to demonize and justify liquidating the street children for a long time.

Because if the Pope sees them, he might think Filipinos aren't good Christians.  Better to slaughter the miserable orphans so they don't distrub His Holiness (and the tourists).

So long as a dictator gets to make PHilippines a better livable place, its going to be an easy comfort for the people.

 Libya and Iraq use to have a dictator that made their country before US supported some rebs doing skirmish attacks like what they are currently doing in Syria.

That's right, pretend Duterte is the VICTIM here.   

Oh wait, Duterte is a bully and a thug who has victimized 1000s of people including many homeless kids.

He is corrupt because he breaks the laws that he took an Oath of Office to uphold and defend.

The VICTIMS here are the most vulnerable people in the world, the street children who are being demonized as "drug addicts" and hunted down to be slaughtered like animals.

I'm sure it's all some kind of giant conspiracy to get poor little Duterte.   

I'm sure Obama forced Duterte to unleash vigilantes on the poorest, most wretched and defenseless people on the planet.   

It's not like Duterte fits the definition of "demagogue" to a tee.


Did Duterte "gain popularity by exploiting prejudice and ignorance among the common people, whipping up the passions of the crowd and shutting down reasoned deliberation?"
YES HE DID.

Did Duterte "advocate immediate, violent action to address a national crisis while accusing moderate and thoughtful opponents of weakness or disloyalty?"
OH FUCK YES HE DID.

Did Duterte "violate established rules of political conduct?"
Again, check and double check.

That's very conclusive evidence Duterte fits the definition of a demagogue.

You only defend him because of your prejudice and ignorance.  When he turns full dictator and it all goes totally Venezuela, good luck with that and don't say nobody warned you.   

Man you dont know what is the attitude of the person in this world some person want to destroy him for their own interest. As you can see in the situation the president is a victim of this kind of person in both US and China. US to probed against human rights violation but US is the one who massacred middle east double standard. And china which occupies the west philippine sea. So who is the victim after all its philippines. Am i right? People hide from the curtain to destroy man's reputation to get that they are the who is stronger but they are the one who is weak. They use money to manipulate others. This person is fair. He is never been a corrupt person look what his done in his city. Do not want to others what you do not want unto you. Thats all. Then who is the VICTIM?

Finally, a seemingly reasonable post from you.

But you can't rehabilitate those murdered in the name of Prohibition by vigilantes, under the blessing of the president.

That's why Duterte is not a "fair person."  He obviously loves the demagogic opportunities of Prohibition (and panda cuddling) more than his country.

There is never enough money to repeal the laws of economics and undo the harm done by State violence.  It is futile hubris to try and fix the economy/education/health in the context of Prohibition.

In case English is your 2nd language, let me explain what is meant by "demagogic."

Just wait duterte is now getting money to have drug rehab center by state visit on several country all over the world. He is making this to have good economy, education and health for his country because he loves his country more than himself. This president is a fair person which want fair law all over the world.

The difficulty in rehabilitating drug addicts and dealers is caused by the context of Prohibition.

End Prohibition, and you no longer have the perverse incentives which entrench and exacerbate "the situation with drug addicts and drug dealers."

Please note all of the arguments being presented for the current cannibalistic authoritarian police state, which destroys the rule of law and provides cover to persecute political opposition, are of the utilitarian type, IE "hurr durr durr at least the trains run on time."

I don't believe all the citizens of .ph are so stupid as to believe trading liberty for security is desirable outcome.  Many of them are capable of abstract, critical thought, which leads them to the low time preferences necessary to reject simplistic, feel-good, short term solutions, no matter how satisfyingly visceral it is to see Bad Guys (including addicted+dealing street children) murdered without due process or opportunity for reform and redemption.


And these people savages dare to call themselves Christian.  How many shabu addicted minors would Jesus murder, for the sake of overturning the laws of economic via Prohibition?

I think he has good intention but the way he is doing it is crazy. Governments need to realize that there will always be another person to take up the drug trade when the top drug dealers get arrested or killed. But let's be real here, drugs should be legal anyways.

A good attempt to rid the country of drugs. That's just so simple it can not be done. It will be many years before a complete cleaning

i'm just waiting for the president to kill those dealers the bigger ones and those officials and church members who's also involved to this problem especially those uniformed generals who's hiding and responsible for this unfair killings of small time users and pushers they just wanted to hide their self and blame the killings to the president.

There are cases when a person is useless to correct. This is the situation with drug addicts and drug dealers. They do not fix it, they did a lot of evil.

Killing people is not a solution to solve the problem. Arrest first the victim, give
them a chance to change. Every person has deserve for a second chance.

I'm sorry you find freedom and liberty so terrifying you want a White Knight to save you from it.

Do you even understand how Prohibition inevitably leads to black markets, violence, and corruption?  It appears you do not.

I didn't mention "kiling and raping kids."  That's just your hyperbolic bloody shirt waving appeal to emotion.  Please get a grip and stay on topic.

I said only a savage would find "extrajudicial murder a reasonable response to the public health issues created by poverty and Prohibition" and I stand by that statement.

You need to learn to comprehend what has actually been written, not just what you believe I wrote.

If you are so afraid of Bad Guys you are willing to abandon the rule of law and due process, you will be ruled by Bad Guys and richly deserve all that entails.

Drug individuAls kiling and raping kids and you call it public health issues?  You must be kidding.

Look how responsible the churches in the philippines. You go out from their churches and you see beggars and street kids wearing nothing, isn't that their responsibility to take care of the church members? Don't they all call everyone "brothers"?  Shouldn't these poeple treAt them brothers as well?

Prohibition always fails.  You can't fight the invisible hand of the free market.  You may try, but you will inevitably lose to the laws of supply and demand.

Only the weak minded, and the corrupt politicians who exploit them, support such simplistic, economically illiterate solutions.

The government is not God.  It cannot perform miracles such as magically making people stop growing/selling/buying/using the botanical products they prefer.

Only a superstitious Devil-fearing primitive culture, such as Puritan America 100 years ago or the Catholic Philippines in 2016, would seriously consider extrajudicial murder a reasonable response to the public health issues created by poverty and Prohibition.

I hope the cavemen and bluenoses in Manila stew in their moral panic until it cooks them all to death.  

I also believe that the president of the Philippines is doing a very good job. It is dangerous for him, but he was on the right path. Many will thank him then