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Quote from: ajiz138 on April 14, 2024, 02:27:10 PM

This is the reason why casinos withhold winnings under the pretext of using a VPN that is not recommended, often see this case but what is normal is that when casinos find mistakes even if it is not deceptive casinos can withhold funds with investigations carried out.

Exactly! Ask support whether the use of VPN is allowed or not if YES then keep the evidence, sometimes problems in the middle of the road always exist and when asking again it is a different opinion from support maybe with that evidence we can be strong with the defense.

It’s better to check it for yourself in ToS of the casino in addition to asking the support to guarantee that you are following the casino rules without relying on support alone since they often commit mistakes sometimes while casino sometimes have problem validating whether their support really said that or not because they can accuse you of using photoshop if your evidence is just picture while casino denies your claim.

Better to do it yourself since it’s your money, using the find in page function on browser to easily locate the VPN part is very easy to do.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on April 13, 2024, 04:04:12 AM

Quote from: Findingnemo on April 11, 2024, 12:38:05 PM

The reason for using VPN even after completing KYC to the casino is to protect their internet and financial activities from the middle party especially from ISP to certain level so it's okay to use with dedicated address for not revealing their actual location.

It's still risky though since some crypto gambling sites withhold player winnings stating that they used a VPN even though they didn't technically cheat them based on my observations.

This is why it's always advisable to confirm with their customer support and store evidence of those conversations before using any type of VPN.

This is the reason why casinos withhold winnings under the pretext of using a VPN that is not recommended, often see this case but what is normal is that when casinos find mistakes even if it is not deceptive casinos can withhold funds with investigations carried out.

Exactly! Ask support whether the use of VPN is allowed or not if YES then keep the evidence, sometimes problems in the middle of the road always exist and when asking again it is a different opinion from support maybe with that evidence we can be strong with the defense.

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Quote from: babygun on April 13, 2024, 03:56:46 PM

I think their RTP for Plinko (and their other houes games) is 99% as house edge is 1%. But as you mention it all depends on luck, you could hit the x10,000 multiplier after a couple of hits or never hit it even when you have played like 50,000 rounds. Plinko is pretty fun to play, always exciting to see where the balls will fall.

Well, their plinko is indeed very good to play if the house edge is only 1% since this game usually play on high number of bets due to it fast phase game while small house edge can minimize players lose in the long run while trying their luck to hit the max multiplier in short term as possible.

I’m not a plinko player because it’s more interesting for me to play on a more interactive game such as live games and slot games compared to watching balls bounce to multiplier that has a high chance to just go in the middle which is lowest multiplier.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on April 13, 2024, 04:04:12 AM

Quote from: Findingnemo on April 11, 2024, 12:38:05 PM

The reason for using VPN even after completing KYC to the casino is to protect their internet and financial activities from the middle party especially from ISP to certain level so it's okay to use with dedicated address for not revealing their actual location.

It's still risky though since some crypto gambling sites withhold player winnings stating that they used a VPN even though they didn't technically cheat them based on my observations.

This is why it's always advisable to confirm with their customer support and store evidence of those conversations before using any type of VPN.

Yes, that's right, at least consult with customer support so that errors don't occur in the future and also make sure to capture the screen so that it can be proof that permission was given by customer support, that's why I often when chatting with customer support always capture the screen first so that That could be evidence if one day they try to get out of what I complained and was concerned about, sometimes customer support also often makes mistakes in serving customers so they act outside the existing requirements.

There are many cases where the casino is not responsible for anything that violates the casino, but if you have chat screenshot evidence, it will certainly be stronger that the casino has no intention of cheating, let alone taking our money for reasons of TOS, let alone violating terms, but it's best not to use VPN. To gamble, make sure you use your own internet provider whose IP ensures that it doesn't block the casino site and you can gamble safely. Moreover, playing anonymously is usually very difficult because nowadays all centralized casinos have strict rules about whether users are anonymous or not.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 13, 2024, 10:14:15 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on April 12, 2024, 11:41:44 PM

But, what if 100 people bet 1000 teams each? That would mean 100000 times played, suddenly hitting a 10000x return becomes very normal, even inevitable right? That's why it is so important and it is very crucial without a doubt. I personally believe that the best thing to do would be focusing on how we could realize that's not going to happen to us, or even if there is a chance, it would be very tiny chance for sure.

Having a 10,000 bets frequently doesn’t give you an assurance that you will hit the x10,000 multiplier because there’s a house edge on every game including Plinko. This is why the RTP is important when we are talking about huge sum of bets because that’s the time which the RTP already matters.

I’m not sure what’s the RTP of Duelbits Plinko but what I’m certain is you will need to bet more than 10K in able to win x10,000 multiplier frequently. So having a 100K bets doesn’t guarantee that you will hit 10 times the max win. You can hit more but hitting less is higher chance to occur due to house edge.

I think their RTP for Plinko (and their other houes games) is 99% as house edge is 1%. But as you mention it all depends on luck, you could hit the x10,000 multiplier after a couple of hits or never hit it even when you have played like 50,000 rounds. Plinko is pretty fun to play, always exciting to see where the balls will fall.

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 12, 2024, 11:41:44 PM

But, what if 100 people bet 1000 teams each? That would mean 100000 times played, suddenly hitting a 10000x return becomes very normal, even inevitable right? That's why it is so important and it is very crucial without a doubt. I personally believe that the best thing to do would be focusing on how we could realize that's not going to happen to us, or even if there is a chance, it would be very tiny chance for sure.

Having a 10,000 bets frequently doesn’t give you an assurance that you will hit the x10,000 multiplier because there’s a house edge on every game including Plinko. This is why the RTP is important when we are talking about huge sum of bets because that’s the time which the RTP already matters.

I’m not sure what’s the RTP of Duelbits Plinko but what I’m certain is you will need to bet more than 10K in able to win x10,000 multiplier frequently. So having a 100K bets doesn’t guarantee that you will hit 10 times the max win. You can hit more but hitting less is higher chance to occur due to house edge.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on April 11, 2024, 12:38:05 PM

The reason for using VPN even after completing KYC to the casino is to protect their internet and financial activities from the middle party especially from ISP to certain level so it's okay to use with dedicated address for not revealing their actual location.

It's still risky though since some crypto gambling sites withhold player winnings stating that they used a VPN even though they didn't technically cheat them based on my observations.

This is why it's always advisable to confirm with their customer support and store evidence of those conversations before using any type of VPN.

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To be fair, plinko is something that many streamers play, and when you think about the sheer amount of times they play and the amount of streamers that play it, it is only natural that eventually you will get some very big wins. When you see a x10000 return win, what do you think? It's unlikely to be ever hit right?

But, what if 100 people bet 1000 teams each? That would mean 100000 times played, suddenly hitting a 10000x return becomes very normal, even inevitable right? That's why it is so important and it is very crucial without a doubt. I personally believe that the best thing to do would be focusing on how we could realize that's not going to happen to us, or even if there is a chance, it would be very tiny chance for sure.

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Quote from: Beparanf on April 12, 2024, 09:09:05 AM

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Bank can do that
Exchange can do that

Any service are included financial topic, always have some term & condition like that. Like or not you're register into their service, If you don't like any of those term & service you can always have some choice to not register into the site.

You are not getting force right, no one putting a knife in your neck.

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Quote from: Beparanf on April 12, 2024, 09:09:05 AM

They also indicated in their ToS that they have the right to confiscate funds from user who violated the casino terms which is very specific that the money will go to their casino bankroll. It’s very hassle to cooperate on government just to transfer the funds of it’s citizen unless the government itself is the one who requested to freeze specific user asset.

When ToS has become a rule, the casino has the right to confiscate customer funds. The casino must also have evidence of why it has to freeze customer funds, but maybe the casino will distinguish between frozen fund bankrolls and casino financial bankrolls.

The government will not get involved if the funds are small, unless there is a large flow of funds of millions of dollars then the government will act properly such as the mixer case where it is large in its transactions, if the case is small then the casino itself handles it.

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Quote from: Beparanf on April 12, 2024, 09:09:05 AM

Quote from: shield132 on April 12, 2024, 08:42:07 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on April 11, 2024, 09:58:13 AM

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I can't guarantee what casinos do with user's frozen funds but to my mind, they keep it in their pocket. I don't believe that they contact any authorities, they keep it in their pocket.

It’s true, they are not obligated to find the respective government agency for the user specific country to give the amount involved since the violation happened to their casino that operates with license.

They also indicated in their ToS that they have the right to confiscate funds from user who violated the casino terms which is very specific that the money will go to their casino bankroll. It’s very hassle to cooperate on government just to transfer the funds of it’s citizen unless the government itself is the one who requested to freeze specific user asset.

That would be the easiest thing to do, keep the funds and consider it as another profit. I hope casinos are not gonna allow gamblers from a country which is gambling is illegal and later on tagged them for violating the TOS when they start winning. Some casino do that kind of dirty job, they allow some to gamble even knowingly they should not be allowed but the moment they start winning, boom! "your account has been frozen"...

Anyway, I think I'd stop here as I already got some replies, Thanks guys!

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Quote from: shield132 on April 12, 2024, 08:42:07 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on April 11, 2024, 09:58:13 AM

Snip.

I can't guarantee what casinos do with user's frozen funds but to my mind, they keep it in their pocket. I don't believe that they contact any authorities, they keep it in their pocket.

It’s true, they are not obligated to find the respective government agency for the user specific country to give the amount involved since the violation happened to their casino that operates with license.

They also indicated in their ToS that they have the right to confiscate funds from user who violated the casino terms which is very specific that the money will go to their casino bankroll. It’s very hassle to cooperate on government just to transfer the funds of it’s citizen unless the government itself is the one who requested to freeze specific user asset.

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Quote from: shield132 on April 12, 2024, 08:42:07 AM

Yeah, the number of casinos that give you a room for privacy is shrinking every day.

You can say the same with centralized exchanges. Some years ago, they allowed us to use their centralized exchanges without KYC but since like 2018 or 2019, KYC/ AML in cryptocurrency exchanges began to be used more popularly.

With recent charges against Binance, Changpeng Zao, Kucoin and their co-founders, more CEX will be more carefully with their KYC policy. The same for gambling sites that have to obey laws and avoid risk on their casinos and their founders too.

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Quote from: freedomgo on April 11, 2024, 09:58:13 AM

I'm just curious, if this will happen and the funds will be frozen. What will be the action of the casino, will they keep the funds and consider it as other income, or they will remit it to the proper agency which is under a certain government?

If your account gets frozen and at the same time this casino is active on bitcointalk, the next step is that you create a scam accusation thread, post your issue with proof and then you hope that your problem will be solved with the help of the community. There have been cases when casino wasn't paying to the user and user got money with the help of bitcointalk members. I can't guarantee what casinos do with user's frozen funds but to my mind, they keep it in their pocket. I don't believe that they contact any authorities, they keep it in their pocket.

Quote from: 3kpk3 on April 11, 2024, 11:03:53 AM

Both are completely pointless though in my opinion since gamblers can't really stay anonymous in most crypto gambling sites these days thanks to KYC at any point of time basically.

Yeah, the number of casinos that give you a room for privacy is shrinking every day.

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Quote from: Synchronice on April 12, 2024, 05:49:26 AM

Quote from: Taskford on April 10, 2024, 04:50:57 AM

Maybe VPN usage is fine if you are in region which is not been restricted by their management.

There are some casinos that allow VPN usage if the purpose of this process is not to bypass location restriction. In other words, absolutely every casino prohibits you from using VPN is you are trying to bypass location restriction but you have to always read casinos ToS because some casinos completely restrict you from using VPN, doesn't matter even if it's not used for bypassing restriction and is purely intended for protecting privacy.

Some tolerate VPN usage but somehow encounter those casino change their terms and use this as reason to block their withdrawal request. That's why if there's no important thing to do much better avoid using VPN since we know that the usage of that tool still questionable if this is really allowed in long run. Since its better to be safe than try to believe that there will be no changes to happen.

We can safely play on reputable casino like duelbits by using our real IP so there's no really any issue to get worried and use this tool since we think we can avoid it by using his. Reading TOS is always important since this could able to save those people who's still confuse on everything they want to know about the casino they choose to spend their time on.

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Quote from: Strongkored on April 12, 2024, 04:24:29 AM

This is definitely not a new game on Duelbits, because as far as I remember playing Plinko on Duelbits some time ago, unfortunately, I chose to replace it with another game because this game didn't run smoothly on my laptop and several times it seemed to stop working, I think it was because of the device I was using but when playing Plinko at different casinos everything went well without any problems.
I can play the other games on duelbits without any problems so only Plinko is the one that is having problems.

Correct, I think they launch Plinko 2 to 3 years ago if I’m not mistaken since I participated on their even during the Plinko launch to whoever first hit x10,000 multiplier will win 10K or 1K rewards no string attached.

I hate plinko games but I use this game before to farm efficiently wager since the house edge on this game is low while you play a very quick game since it allow simultaneous bet to occur.

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Achieving the highest multiplier from Plinko is certainly fun and depends on the risk choice and it must be the highest risk he chooses, especially if it is only a few tries, and my highest multiplier is only 1000x a few times but in different casinos.

You are very lucky to x1000 on plinko since it’s very hard to do that due to patience issue. I honestly can’t withstand playing this game for a long time just watching ball drops repeatedly. Cheesy

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Quote from: Findingnemo on April 11, 2024, 12:38:05 PM

Quote from: 3kpk3 on April 11, 2024, 11:03:53 AM

Both are completely pointless though in my opinion since gamblers can't really stay anonymous in most crypto gambling sites these days thanks to KYC at any point of time basically.

The reason for using VPN even after completing KYC to the casino is to protect their internet and financial activities from the middle party especially from ISP to certain level so it's okay to use with dedicated address for not revealing their actual location.

Yes, but still they can't gamble anonymously because the use of a VPN which is usually detected from certain countries sometimes makes the casino ask the user for KYC. I have occasionally tried to register using a VPN after completing the email confirmation. I opened the deposit address as usual, did it go smoothly then tried the withdrawal button but it looked like it was locked and the button was redirected to the KYC verification page, since then I have never used VPN again and use my ISP for internet services that are free from KYC.

This VPN problem is actually a problem that is often discussed in gambling forums because there are no casinos that seem to understand why VPN use is done, sometimes the casinos don't care about it, the rules are still the rules when caught by the system using different IPs, sometimes sometimes or from certain country IPs which are banned making users have to complete their KYC it can also hinder new users in centralized casinos, but it is a rule so no one can be blamed it all depends on the user and it seems it is indeed difficult to play anonymously

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Quote from: Taskford on April 10, 2024, 04:50:57 AM

Maybe VPN usage is fine if you are in region which is not been restricted by their management.

There are some casinos that allow VPN usage if the purpose of this process is not to bypass location restriction. In other words, absolutely every casino prohibits you from using VPN is you are trying to bypass location restriction but you have to always read casinos ToS because some casinos completely restrict you from using VPN, doesn't matter even if it's not used for bypassing restriction and is purely intended for protecting privacy.

Quote from: 3kpk3 on April 11, 2024, 11:03:53 AM

Also, trying to bypass restrictions using VPN is a recipe for disaster since sites can easily detect and screw them. Risky stuff!

They can't easily detect if you are using a VPN with dedicated IP but the problem arises when they ask you to submit KYC documents and then appears that you are a citizen of a country where it's restricted for you to play on this particular casino.

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Quote from: OcTradism on April 11, 2024, 10:26:26 PM

Do you know that at Duelbits, there is a Plinko game.

Hours ago, a Duelbit user bet with $6.8 and won big with $68,000 to cash out. The multiplier used for that bet is 10,000, it's unbelievable that the gambler used it and won with it.

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This is definitely not a new game on Duelbits, because as far as I remember playing Plinko on Duelbits some time ago, unfortunately, I chose to replace it with another game because this game didn't run smoothly on my laptop and several times it seemed to stop working, I think it was because of the device I was using but when playing Plinko at different casinos everything went well without any problems.
I can play the other games on duelbits without any problems so only Plinko is the one that is having problems.
Achieving the highest multiplier from Plinko is certainly fun and depends on the risk choice and it must be the highest risk he chooses, especially if it is only a few tries, and my highest multiplier is only 1000x a few times but in different casinos.

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