Dugin's daughter killed. Did she really say this?

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Quote from: johhnyUA on September 01, 2022, 08:59:10 AM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 30, 2022, 10:29:16 AM

In both cases, her father is also a civilian.

It's time for the ad hitlerum! Grin

Hitler also was a civilian!

Let's talk it again: Anyone who promotes russian soldiers to continue this war is the same as russian soldier. Russian soldier is legitimate target for ukrainians. So, every government worker or government propagandist get paid from Kremlin is also legitimate target. PERIOD.

All other takes it's just a juggling to whitewash russian nazis. I understand that this is easy for you to be a "gentleman in a white coat" and to bitching about morale and all other shit. But ukrainians who is get bombed in Kharkiv or Mykolaiv tells you: "First, take a big step back and literally F*** YOUR OWN FACE!!! (the best scene )

Well then let's kill everyone who supports the war on Ukraine. Or at least if we saw one of them being killed, we would not regret it on the pretext that he deserved what happened to him.

Nobody can convince me that it is permissible to kill a person because of his ideas. And even if his actions condemn him, the most I can demand is that he be subjected to a fair trial, the most severe of which is eternal imprisonment and not the death in any form.
When you are in direct confrontation with a soldier on the battlefield or with any armed person who wants to kill you, you have the right to legitimate defense for yourself. But to justify a person being killed solely on the basis of your own judgment is very dangerous.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 30, 2022, 10:29:16 AM

In both cases, her father is also a civilian.

It's time for the ad hitlerum! Grin

Hitler also was a civilian!

Let's talk it again: Anyone who promotes russian soldiers to continue this war is the same as russian soldier. Russian soldier is legitimate target for ukrainians. So, every government worker or government propagandist get paid from Kremlin is also legitimate target. PERIOD.

All other takes it's just a juggling to whitewash russian nazis. I understand that this is easy for you to be a "gentleman in a white coat" and to bitching about morale and all other shit. But ukrainians who is get bombed in Kharkiv or Mykolaiv tells you: "First, take a big step back and literally F*** YOUR OWN FACE!!! (the best scene )

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 29, 2022, 06:41:26 AM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 28, 2022, 04:23:31 PM

Honestly, I am still unable to comprehend the position of many of the participants in this discussion regarding whether they accept the death of a person in this way only because they disagree with him or they do not want to take a clear position.
My position is absolutely clear, that these people should be held accountable after they are stopped from promoting racist and hostile ideas within humanitarian frameworks. We do not bless their bombing, even if they are enemies of life itself.
Some will say the girl goes to hell for her ideas without regard to the whole system who has produced her in the form of a propaganda trumpet.

I think the position of those who think "good riddance" is quite clear. Dugina and other propagandists are considered combatants in this war and thus legitimate military targets. Not really difficult to understand.

FWIW I don't agree with that, and I think even the supporters of such actions should see that this is counterproductive and thus very unlikely that this was a work of Ukrainian intelligence / secret service / whatever. If they had the capacity to off someone in Moscow, they should and probably would pick a high ranking MOD/GRU/FSB officer or someone like that. Killing civilians, despicable as they may be, is a waste of resources and bad publicity. More likely that this Dugina thing is a result of some internal GRU shit.

True from a practical perspective, a very "low value target" in military and intelligence terms. However that assumes that any target in Moscow would be similarly protected which may not be the case. The problem with certain ideas and certain way of expressing them is that they are not neutral or are intended to put forward a posture on a topic, they are as harmful as a weapon. I am in favour of free expression, but calling for hate and kill goes beyond the acceptability line.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 29, 2022, 06:41:26 AM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 28, 2022, 04:23:31 PM

Honestly, I am still unable to comprehend the position of many of the participants in this discussion regarding whether they accept the death of a person in this way only because they disagree with him or they do not want to take a clear position.
My position is absolutely clear, that these people should be held accountable after they are stopped from promoting racist and hostile ideas within humanitarian frameworks. We do not bless their bombing, even if they are enemies of life itself.
Some will say the girl goes to hell for her ideas without regard to the whole system who has produced her in the form of a propaganda trumpet.

I think the position of those who think "good riddance" is quite clear. Dugina and other propagandists are considered combatants in this war and thus legitimate military targets. Not really difficult to understand.

FWIW I don't agree with that, and I think even the supporters of such actions should see that this is counterproductive and thus very unlikely that this was a work of Ukrainian intelligence / secret service / whatever. If they had the capacity to off someone in Moscow, they should and probably would pick a high ranking MOD/GRU/FSB officer or someone like that. Killing civilians, despicable as they may be, is a waste of resources and bad publicity. More likely that this Dugina thing is a result of some internal GRU shit.

Killing Dugina is not a heroic act by any standards, and I don't think it will cause any fear in the Kremlin. Killing civilians, regardless of their point of view, is evidence of the weak position and capabilities of the killer. And as you mentioned, if any intelligence service was really capable of carrying out assassinations inside Russia, why would it target civilians?
All facts indicate that Father Dugina is the target, and that the operation did not target Dugina directly. In both cases, her father is also a civilian.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 28, 2022, 04:23:31 PM

Honestly, I am still unable to comprehend the position of many of the participants in this discussion regarding whether they accept the death of a person in this way only because they disagree with him or they do not want to take a clear position.
My position is absolutely clear, that these people should be held accountable after they are stopped from promoting racist and hostile ideas within humanitarian frameworks. We do not bless their bombing, even if they are enemies of life itself.
Some will say the girl goes to hell for her ideas without regard to the whole system who has produced her in the form of a propaganda trumpet.

I think the position of those who think "good riddance" is quite clear. Dugina and other propagandists are considered combatants in this war and thus legitimate military targets. Not really difficult to understand.

FWIW I don't agree with that, and I think even the supporters of such actions should see that this is counterproductive and thus very unlikely that this was a work of Ukrainian intelligence / secret service / whatever. If they had the capacity to off someone in Moscow, they should and probably would pick a high ranking MOD/GRU/FSB officer or someone like that. Killing civilians, despicable as they may be, is a waste of resources and bad publicity. More likely that this Dugina thing is a result of some internal GRU shit.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 28, 2022, 04:23:31 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on August 26, 2022, 12:16:04 PM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 26, 2022, 11:54:58 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on August 26, 2022, 11:46:38 AM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 25, 2022, 04:10:36 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 24, 2022, 03:26:07 PM

Quote from: Gyfts on August 22, 2022, 12:45:16 PM

The daughter bares zero responsibility. Guilt by association should not be the standard for the death penalty, even if she's a fascist.

Completely disagree. She bares responsibility like all other propagandists. They all washing brains of Russian people for years, setting them against Ukrainians. They are reason why majority of Russians support this war. Maybe destroying them in such way isn't right thing, but it's nonsense to say that they're not responsible.

There is no justification for a death sentence, even if the accused were Hitler himself or Stalin (both are butchers). This does not eliminate the responsibility for the victim if she committed a crime of any kind, but believe me, it is very dangerous to justify the killing with arguments that we think are self-evident and undisputed.
The one who carried out the killing is not impeccable from mistakes to condemn others to burning. And if the victim was promoting racist ideas against a particular race or nationalism, it would be more correct to hold the system that gave her the green light to do so.

She and her family are responsible for the war crimes the Russian army is committing in Ukraine right now.

She and her extended family, to the third generation, should have been eliminated a long time ago.

All Russian propagandists are war criminals. They and their families will be brought to justice, one way or another.

Demanding their trial does not mean that we demand that they be killed. There is a vast difference between the two requirements.
For myself, I do not believe that there is any motive for killing except in cases of legitimate self-defense, that is, when you are compelled to do so and not for the purposes of revenge.

I do not think that the war on Ukraine would have been canceled or postponed if this family did not exist at all. There are clear reasons for the war.

I do not want to appear as the devil's advocate in this situation, and I am well aware that what that lady did is spreading racist ideas and that she deserves to be tried, but this does not justify calling for her killing or finding that killing her is legitimate.

You are completely oblivious to what is happening. It is an all-out WAR. What trials are you talking about?

These people need to be stopped, NOW.

Honestly, I am still unable to comprehend the position of many of the participants in this discussion regarding whether they accept the death of a person in this way only because they disagree with him or they do not want to take a clear position.
My position is absolutely clear, that these people should be held accountable after they are stopped from promoting racist and hostile ideas within humanitarian frameworks. We do not bless their bombing, even if they are enemies of life itself.
Some will say the girl goes to hell for her ideas without regard to the whole system who has produced her in the form of a propaganda trumpet.

Not to worry. She has been stopped. You can hold her responsible if you like, I don't give a shit about this Nazi bitch.

The civilized world must concentrate on how to effectively demilitarize Russia and eliminate all people who supported this Nazi regime.

Please notice that the Russian media narrative has changed in the last few days, now they
openly call for the genocide of the Ukrainian people.

The goal of this 'special operation' has changed (again) from denazification/demilitarization to de-Ukranization.

Stop this genocide any way you can. Donate to the Ukrainian army, humanitarian aid, etc.

Be human.

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Quote from: af_newbie on August 26, 2022, 12:16:04 PM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 26, 2022, 11:54:58 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on August 26, 2022, 11:46:38 AM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 25, 2022, 04:10:36 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 24, 2022, 03:26:07 PM

Quote from: Gyfts on August 22, 2022, 12:45:16 PM

The daughter bares zero responsibility. Guilt by association should not be the standard for the death penalty, even if she's a fascist.

Completely disagree. She bares responsibility like all other propagandists. They all washing brains of Russian people for years, setting them against Ukrainians. They are reason why majority of Russians support this war. Maybe destroying them in such way isn't right thing, but it's nonsense to say that they're not responsible.

There is no justification for a death sentence, even if the accused were Hitler himself or Stalin (both are butchers). This does not eliminate the responsibility for the victim if she committed a crime of any kind, but believe me, it is very dangerous to justify the killing with arguments that we think are self-evident and undisputed.
The one who carried out the killing is not impeccable from mistakes to condemn others to burning. And if the victim was promoting racist ideas against a particular race or nationalism, it would be more correct to hold the system that gave her the green light to do so.

She and her family are responsible for the war crimes the Russian army is committing in Ukraine right now.

She and her extended family, to the third generation, should have been eliminated a long time ago.

All Russian propagandists are war criminals. They and their families will be brought to justice, one way or another.

Demanding their trial does not mean that we demand that they be killed. There is a vast difference between the two requirements.
For myself, I do not believe that there is any motive for killing except in cases of legitimate self-defense, that is, when you are compelled to do so and not for the purposes of revenge.

I do not think that the war on Ukraine would have been canceled or postponed if this family did not exist at all. There are clear reasons for the war.

I do not want to appear as the devil's advocate in this situation, and I am well aware that what that lady did is spreading racist ideas and that she deserves to be tried, but this does not justify calling for her killing or finding that killing her is legitimate.

You are completely oblivious to what is happening. It is an all-out WAR. What trials are you talking about?

These people need to be stopped, NOW.

Honestly, I am still unable to comprehend the position of many of the participants in this discussion regarding whether they accept the death of a person in this way only because they disagree with him or they do not want to take a clear position.
My position is absolutely clear, that these people should be held accountable after they are stopped from promoting racist and hostile ideas within humanitarian frameworks. We do not bless their bombing, even if they are enemies of life itself.
Some will say the girl goes to hell for her ideas without regard to the whole system who has produced her in the form of a propaganda trumpet.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on August 28, 2022, 12:29:23 PM

I'd rather see her die of old age, abandoned by supporters and forgotten. Maybe die knowing that there was a revolution and there's no Putin's Russia anymore and the newly formed country is helping to rebuild Ukraine. Being proven wrong and ridiculed for hate speech would be a great outcome for Putin's trolls. I'm sure that if Dugin gets killed he'll be treated like a martyr and a national hero by the regime.

IMO, if (when) Putin's regime will fall, most of propagandists simply will change their skin and start supporting new Russia. Actually, some of them already done it once. Like Vladimir Solovyov, one of the most aggresive propagandists, over 20 years ago worked in oppositional TV channel, was against Putin and just 9 years ago said that Crimea belongs to Ukraine.
Or Dmitry Kiselyov, in 2004 he was news editor of Ukrainian (!!!) TV channel ICTV and in this photo there is his phrase that Ukraine is European country:

Such things shows that propagandists don't believe in Putin's ideology, they're only loyal to money.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on August 27, 2022, 08:49:11 AM

Quote from: darkangel11 on August 27, 2022, 05:03:44 AM

On one hand I'm against people being killed, especially this way and I don't think that woman deserved to die this way.

In your opinion better death for her would be a death by giant dildo, or what? Comb in the car is a classic! Cool

I'd rather see her die of old age, abandoned by supporters and forgotten. Maybe die knowing that there was a revolution and there's no Putin's Russia anymore and the newly formed country is helping to rebuild Ukraine. Being proven wrong and ridiculed for hate speech would be a great outcome for Putin's trolls. I'm sure that if Dugin gets killed he'll be treated like a martyr and a national hero by the regime.

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Quote from: Myleschetty on August 26, 2022, 05:33:33 PM

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Dugin's daughter: 'Ukrainians are not humans. They all deserve to die.'

Trying to check the tweet but it appears to be deleted.

Here it is - https://t.me/ressentiment_channel/29496
But this is live stream, you need to know russian for understand what she saying.

Quote from: darkangel11 on August 27, 2022, 05:03:44 AM

On one hand I'm against people being killed, especially this way and I don't think that woman deserved to die this way.

In your opinion better death for her would be a death by giant dildo, or what? Comb in the car is a classic! Cool

Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 26, 2022, 11:54:58 AM

I do not want to appear as the devil's advocate in this situation, and I am well aware that what that lady did is spreading racist ideas and that she deserves to be tried, but this does not justify calling for her killing or finding that killing her is legitimate.

No, you're wrong.

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On one hand I'm against people being killed, especially this way and I don't think that woman deserved to die this way. On the other hand they both were spreading so much hate that maybe it's for the better that there's one less rabid dog running around. If I had the power of Thanos from the Marvel Universe, I'd probably snap my fingers and remove Putin, Lavrov, Peskov and Medvedev. The world would be better without them.

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Quote from: Poker Player on August 21, 2022, 06:36:25 AM

Dugin's daughter: 'Ukrainians are not humans. They all deserve to die.'

Trying to check the tweet but it appears to be deleted.

Quote from: af_newbie on August 21, 2022, 11:40:31 AM

It could also be Putin himself, you know, to transform the 'special operation' into 'war', nukes, full mobilization, etc.

He did a similar provocation to justify the Chechen war.

I agreed and I never trust that man because when he has an intention in something he can do extra just to achieve it.

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Next?

War against cryptocurrency privacy transaction users especially now almost all reputable crypto-based casinos are enforcing KYC and the US Feds sanction privacy provider platform.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 26, 2022, 11:54:58 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on August 26, 2022, 11:46:38 AM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 25, 2022, 04:10:36 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 24, 2022, 03:26:07 PM

Quote from: Gyfts on August 22, 2022, 12:45:16 PM

The daughter bares zero responsibility. Guilt by association should not be the standard for the death penalty, even if she's a fascist.

Completely disagree. She bares responsibility like all other propagandists. They all washing brains of Russian people for years, setting them against Ukrainians. They are reason why majority of Russians support this war. Maybe destroying them in such way isn't right thing, but it's nonsense to say that they're not responsible.

There is no justification for a death sentence, even if the accused were Hitler himself or Stalin (both are butchers). This does not eliminate the responsibility for the victim if she committed a crime of any kind, but believe me, it is very dangerous to justify the killing with arguments that we think are self-evident and undisputed.
The one who carried out the killing is not impeccable from mistakes to condemn others to burning. And if the victim was promoting racist ideas against a particular race or nationalism, it would be more correct to hold the system that gave her the green light to do so.

She and her family are responsible for the war crimes the Russian army is committing in Ukraine right now.

She and her extended family, to the third generation, should have been eliminated a long time ago.

All Russian propagandists are war criminals. They and their families will be brought to justice, one way or another.

Demanding their trial does not mean that we demand that they be killed. There is a vast difference between the two requirements.
For myself, I do not believe that there is any motive for killing except in cases of legitimate self-defense, that is, when you are compelled to do so and not for the purposes of revenge.

I do not think that the war on Ukraine would have been canceled or postponed if this family did not exist at all. There are clear reasons for the war.

I do not want to appear as the devil's advocate in this situation, and I am well aware that what that lady did is spreading racist ideas and that she deserves to be tried, but this does not justify calling for her killing or finding that killing her is legitimate.

You are completely oblivious to what is happening. It is an all-out WAR. What trials are you talking about?

These people need to be stopped, NOW.

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Quote from: af_newbie on August 26, 2022, 11:46:38 AM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 25, 2022, 04:10:36 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 24, 2022, 03:26:07 PM

Quote from: Gyfts on August 22, 2022, 12:45:16 PM

The daughter bares zero responsibility. Guilt by association should not be the standard for the death penalty, even if she's a fascist.

Completely disagree. She bares responsibility like all other propagandists. They all washing brains of Russian people for years, setting them against Ukrainians. They are reason why majority of Russians support this war. Maybe destroying them in such way isn't right thing, but it's nonsense to say that they're not responsible.

There is no justification for a death sentence, even if the accused were Hitler himself or Stalin (both are butchers). This does not eliminate the responsibility for the victim if she committed a crime of any kind, but believe me, it is very dangerous to justify the killing with arguments that we think are self-evident and undisputed.
The one who carried out the killing is not impeccable from mistakes to condemn others to burning. And if the victim was promoting racist ideas against a particular race or nationalism, it would be more correct to hold the system that gave her the green light to do so.

She and her family are responsible for the war crimes the Russian army is committing in Ukraine right now.

She and her extended family, to the third generation, should have been eliminated a long time ago.

All Russian propagandists are war criminals. They and their families will be brought to justice, one way or another.

Demanding their trial does not mean that we demand that they be killed. There is a vast difference between the two requirements.
For myself, I do not believe that there is any motive for killing except in cases of legitimate self-defense, that is, when you are compelled to do so and not for the purposes of revenge.

I do not think that the war on Ukraine would have been canceled or postponed if this family did not exist at all. There are clear reasons for the war.

I do not want to appear as the devil's advocate in this situation, and I am well aware that what that lady did is spreading racist ideas and that she deserves to be tried, but this does not justify calling for her killing or finding that killing her is legitimate.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 25, 2022, 04:10:36 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 24, 2022, 03:26:07 PM

Quote from: Gyfts on August 22, 2022, 12:45:16 PM

The daughter bares zero responsibility. Guilt by association should not be the standard for the death penalty, even if she's a fascist.

Completely disagree. She bares responsibility like all other propagandists. They all washing brains of Russian people for years, setting them against Ukrainians. They are reason why majority of Russians support this war. Maybe destroying them in such way isn't right thing, but it's nonsense to say that they're not responsible.

There is no justification for a death sentence, even if the accused were Hitler himself or Stalin (both are butchers). This does not eliminate the responsibility for the victim if she committed a crime of any kind, but believe me, it is very dangerous to justify the killing with arguments that we think are self-evident and undisputed.
The one who carried out the killing is not impeccable from mistakes to condemn others to burning. And if the victim was promoting racist ideas against a particular race or nationalism, it would be more correct to hold the system that gave her the green light to do so.

She and her family are responsible for the war crimes the Russian army is committing in Ukraine right now.

She and her extended family, to the third generation, should have been eliminated a long time ago.

All Russian propagandists are war criminals. They and their families will be brought to justice, one way or another.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 25, 2022, 04:10:36 PM

There is no justification for a death sentence, even if the accused were Hitler himself or Stalin (both are butchers). This does not eliminate the responsibility for the victim if she committed a crime of any kind, but believe me, it is very dangerous to justify the killing with arguments that we think are self-evident and undisputed.
The one who carried out the killing is not impeccable from mistakes to condemn others to burning. And if the victim was promoting racist ideas against a particular race or nationalism, it would be more correct to hold the system that gave her the green light to do so.

Man, you should come here, live for fee month in Mykolaiv or Kharkiv, under heavy bombardments, and then to write all of this again.

All those who promote and justify this war - should be exterminated (like nazis long time ago), one way or another. And this will be moral and fair.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 24, 2022, 03:26:07 PM

Quote from: Gyfts on August 22, 2022, 12:45:16 PM

The daughter bares zero responsibility. Guilt by association should not be the standard for the death penalty, even if she's a fascist.

Completely disagree. She bares responsibility like all other propagandists. They all washing brains of Russian people for years, setting them against Ukrainians. They are reason why majority of Russians support this war. Maybe destroying them in such way isn't right thing, but it's nonsense to say that they're not responsible.

There is no justification for a death sentence, even if the accused were Hitler himself or Stalin (both are butchers). This does not eliminate the responsibility for the victim if she committed a crime of any kind, but believe me, it is very dangerous to justify the killing with arguments that we think are self-evident and undisputed.
The one who carried out the killing is not impeccable from mistakes to condemn others to burning. And if the victim was promoting racist ideas against a particular race or nationalism, it would be more correct to hold the system that gave her the green light to do so.

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Eichmann was captured in 1960 and executed 2 years later. That wasn't a terrorist attack. Why? Because he was put to trial? That was just for show. When Israelis were hunting him they knew they'd kill him one way or the other and were ready for anything. Many more Russian murderers are going to end up killed or sentenced to life in prison, like that soldier who pleaded guilty to killing some civillians.
Propagandists are often targeted during wars, but Russia is claiming that it's not at war so to them that's a terrorist attack. When they shot down Malaysian jet it was a mistake, but when Dugin's car was blown up it's terrorism.

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Quote from: pooya87 on August 25, 2022, 03:43:42 AM

Quote from: johhnyUA on August 25, 2022, 02:29:41 AM

Do not call this "terrorist attack".

I refuse to have double standards.

Where the double standarts? As i previously said - any propagandist is legitimate target. You can complain about that, but this will not change reality.

Killing of propagandist bitch is not worse than killing a russian soldiers. Why you don't complain ukrainians killing 20 years old "children" with guns? Or why do you think that fault of a guy from poor family who went to army for 200 thousands of rubles is worse than a bloodthirsty bitch from a wealthy family who called ukrainians as "nonhumans" and supported a war? I can't understand that logic.

I would even call that fault of Dugina is much worse and darker than any russian soldier (even those who looting and killing civs). So her extermintation is really good thing, we shouldn't be sad about that. We should create a lot of funny memes, like this

Quote from: pooya87 on August 25, 2022, 03:43:42 AM

Quote from: johhnyUA on August 25, 2022, 02:29:41 AM

Or we can go futher and call "terrorist" those who attack russian soldiers on occupied territories.

You just did:

The main problem is that HAMAS targeting not only israel soldiers and government workers, but also a lot of paceful civilians. For example, one of my friends was in recent terract in Jerusalem, luckily he is alive. But he was no a soldier and he didn't work on Israel govenrment. That's a difference.

@pooya87 oh, look at this! Another "terrorist attack" on peaceful Publisher of Der Sturmer - Julius Streicher ! He didn't kill anyone, he just used his right for the free speech! What kind of a monsters had done that?