Topic: Dugin's daughter killed. Did she really say this? - page 2. (Read 627 times)

"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck".

Two things:

1. Do not call this "terrorist attack". Terrorism is action mostly against civilians of some country, like attack 9/11 or some terrorists attacks on Israel, where suicide bomber killing a lot of civ jews.
Attack on propagandist, who is legitimate target in any war can't be described as "terrorism". Or we can go futher and call "terrorist" those who attack russian soldiers on occupied territories.

2. I can agree with you about your main statement only because ONE THING: Dugina was a moscov golden kid . In russian society, it's ok to lost a lot of some rural idiots who is conscripted/mobilized to the army, or some minority nations, like buryats. But you can't, IN ANY WAY to harm moscov citizen, especially golden kids. Even so-called "russian opposition" and "liberals" admits that: they can call russian soldiers (who are mostly from poor regions) as non-humans, toilet-less horde (Chichvarkin) but they will with 100 % be sad about death of propagandist whore from Moscov. Again, because they're also such "golden kids", just had choosen another ideological side (liberalism and so on).

So yeah, moscov society is very angry because of that fact, that one of demi-gods was obliterated by "selyuki" (ukrainians mostly considered as rural nation in the eyes of russians) . And because in russia Moscov rule everything, it can be a reason to escalation.

You are understandably too emotional so you are missing the bigger picture. It is all about escalation regardless of who the target of the terrorist attack was. In a high tension situation, such acts have a high chance of leading to tit-for-tat or grow to a much bigger conflict.

Almost everywhere both on domestic and global scale.

In my view, Russian supremacism is no different from Nazism. Believing in  a Nazi or a Russian Supremacist doctrine is not a crime in itself, but it has been historically proven that most nationalisms end up promoting the killing of others and the right of a certain nationality to enslave and destroy in the name of said supremacy.

This lady and his dad were educated people, they knew that these ideas end up causing deaths and justify inhumanity by classing humans as "animals", "nazis", "sub-humans". That is calling for extermination. From this psychological bombing to the real bombing only takes an oversized army that has too much of a hold on Putin.

As the relevance for the war... probably nil.

I saw compilation of videos with various here statements and she said lot of shit, like typical Russian propagandist. I don't remember that she said directly said that Ukrainians should be killed and destroyed, but here rhetoric indirectly tells it. Like in that video posted by @suchmoon.
But seems that she wasn't target, they wanted to kill her father. Though, daughter isn't much better than her father. Who did, it's interesting question. Maybe it was Ukrainian partizans who acted in similar way like Mossad. Maybe it's Russian NRA. Or maybe it was inside job.
But there is some strange things like smile of Dugin during funreal. In reports it was said that Dugina body got burned during explosion. But on funreal, her casket is open what is strange thing considering explosion:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1562032251306663937

Completely disagree. She bares responsibility like all other propagandists. They all washing brains of Russian people for years, setting them against Ukrainians. They are reason why majority of Russians support this war. Maybe destroying them in such way isn't right thing, but it's nonsense to say that they're not responsible.

WTF with you, man? In WW1, austro-hungarian empire's HEIR Franz Ferdinand was killed.

You compare one of the most important political figures in old Europe with a some random propagandist whore. Do not cool man.


Where it polarized?

World War I began with an assassination...

High tensions ✔
Ongoing war ✔
Ongoing food war ✔
EU drought ✔
Public unrest/protests ✔
High inflation ✔
High energy prices ✔
Polarized world ✔
New World Order ✔
Terrorist attack/assassination ✔
Next?

The main problem that "resist russian forces" is not only armed resist, but even communicating on ukrainian language can be considered as this. So, it can be altered as "ukrainian who speaks ukrainian language are nazis, and nazis must die"


Why so serious? Nazi bitch is dead and we created a lot of funny memes about it.





On important clarification: Moscov propagandist is far worse even than russian soldiers who directly shoot and kill ukrainians. Because he justify those who are already on frontline and motivate new cannon fodder to join.

But maybe what even more funny, is that Dugin doesn't look like very upset about all of this

Probably the opposite is true then LOL

Russian government and media will push whichever story makes them look less bad and/or make Ukrainians look worse, particularly to their own (Russian) citizens. No relation to the truth is needed here.

So let's say if this was work of Russian resistance, or a non-political crime - maybe Dugina was a drug dealer or something - this might make it look like there is resistance, or there is a serious organized crime issue - bad image for the government. The official story (allowing foreign agents to murder a high-profile person) is not good image either but can be spun into more hate against Ukraine so here it goes.

Note how quickly this case was "resolved" when normally it would take weeks or months or never (like many journalists killed in Russia). Gotta feed the propaganda while it's hot.

Oh yes, they can dress it as a murder of a "journalist", bonus here too.

This is a crazy story and it's hard to know what exactly to believe.  War is not good for anyone.  This conflict has gone on for far too long.  I hope it ends soon for the sake of both sides.  Whatever the resolution is, it has to be better than seeing stories like this in the news.

Latest news:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-accuses-ukrainian-secret-services-of-preparing-and-committing-murder-of-dugins-daughter/ar-AA10VWTv

Russia's Federal Security Service has accused Ukraine's secret services of preparing and committing the murder of Alexander Dugin's daughter through a Ukrainian citizen, Natalia Vovk Pavlova, who arrived in Russia last July 23 together with her twelve-year-old daughter, Sofia Shaban Mikhailovna.

And that doesn't mean she deserves to die. I'm taken back by how casually the loss of life is accepted because Russia might be the initial aggressors. The only ones worthy of death are the initial aggressors of the deadly force encounter. Mere words without intent should not be the basis for murder. I'm not sure how much the Putin thought leader bares responsibility unless they are directly involved in war efforts. The daughter bares zero responsibility. Guilt by association should not be the standard for the death penalty, even if she's a fascist.

It seems the Russians are blaming Ukraine for Dubryia Dugina's death now. Probably they think this is a retaliation for the seizure of gas plant in Ukraine by the Russians.
 
 It has been alleged that the suspect is a woman who was contracted to kill the 29 yr old journalist by renting an apartment close to her and had her monitored before her death.
In my opinion, this is quite unfortunate as it may spark more reactions from Putin as the deceased seems to be the daughter of one of his valued think tanks.
 

No one did so many good things to the West World, especially to EU and USA as Putin! He unified EU countries (except his puppet Viktor Orbán/Hungary), he stopped all that covid-mess news - now everyone stays against Russia, finally. Let's just wait for introducing visas, I hope it will come very soon.

And now - attack from inside. It shows they must start watching their back, because now there is internal force which is able to show it's power.

If we add the fact that now Ukraine is able to do long distance attacks/bombings on Russian infrastructure close to border... changes are coming. Maybe it is the last decade of Union and all the small republics will become independent, finally.

Or an exaggeration, based on what suchmoon says. Surely justifying the killing of Ukrainians had been done in a more indirect way. Both she and her father.


Yes, according to latest info:

Darya Dugina was killed by partisans from National Republican Army – former Russian parliamentarian

"Ilya Ponomarev, a former member of the State Duma of the Russian Federation (the Russian parliament), said that the so-called National Republican Army (NRA) has claimed responsibility for the murder of Darya Dugina, the daughter of "Putin’s ideologue" Aleksandr Dugin."

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"Quote from the NRA "manifesto": "We are Russian activists, military personnel and politicians, currently also partisans and fighters of the National Republican Army, and we are outlawing the warmongers, thieves and oppressors of the peoples of Russia!

We declare President Putin to be a usurper of power and a war criminal who has violated the Constitution, unleashed a fratricidal war between Slavic peoples, and sent Russian soldiers to a certain and senseless death.

[…] We will overthrow and destroy Putin! […] We declare all Russian government officials and regional administration officials to be accomplices to the usurper. We will kill every one of them who fails to resign."

Here's a video that I found, not sure if that's where that info originated, but what she says is roughly this: "we (Russia) need to establish tribunals in [occupied territories] to deal with those non-humans", referring apparently to Ukrainians/nazis/whathaveyou and she kinda implies that the outcome of such tribunals is predefined but doesn't directly say "kill them".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEDttOuGD1U

It has to be said though that Russian media and propagandists rarely state directly that Ukrainians must be killed but the implication is very strong and consists typically of two parts: Ukrainians who resist Russian forces are nazis, and nazis must die.

Russian NRA claimed the responsibility.

Already Denis Pushilin, the "head" of the self-declared pro-Russian "Donetsk People's Republic", has already laid the blame on Ukraine. The truth is that it is difficult to separate the relationship between Russia and Ukraine. A report stated that 17.3% of the population of Ukraine are of Russian descent and about 11 million Russians people have relatives in Ukraine. It would be very difficult to ascertain where the killings was planned and carried out. Maybe some Russians have become tired of the war and wants to instill fear on the ruling class to make them stop the war. The result of this war might be guerrilla warfare in Russian soil. Kremlin have promised to carryout proper investigation and that culprit would be dealt with. Russia never forgives, there would be reprisal attacks. If it is the US, Ukraine would pay the price and if Ukraine is the culprit, they would also bear the consequences.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62621509.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/20/russia-ukraine-relatives-conversations-propaganda/   

The twitter link is inaccessible. Sounds like fake news used to justify murder.

I can't really imagine why would the US think of such a dumb plan with no real end goal. Even if the real target was the father, what would that acomplish. So no, it definatelly was not the US, I am sure they can pick better targets.

As for what she said or didn't say, she was just a dimwit pushing hard on her fathers idiotic concepts, so even if she didn't say this, she said other stupid shit. Does she deserve to die for that? No. But hey, I couldn't care less either way.