This guy. Loooool. 👆
Oh no my timeline is out. 😂
Just got back from holiday. No further comment.
Topic: Early Bitcoin Wallet - Help Needed - Advice Appreciated (Read 1355 times)
I take it none of those brainwallet sites etc worked for ya did they ? of course fucking not. Why would something created in 2012 work for something ONLY YOU reckon you used back in 2010 ? LOL !!
Cant believe it has to be stated again, You cant create a btc address from pgp keys ffs. You never created a btc wallet in 2010 with 8 words and password. NO, no you didnt. No one did. That came out in 2012ish. WTF are you on about hash now again, the btc protocol always used sha256, has nothing to do with anything. Stop confusing pgp keys and btc keys.
This "timeline" from you is important to work out what you think you did. You crap on about btc pizza which happened in 2010 and wasnt mentioned in Australia till 2013, you crap on about using darknet markets from 2011 and 2013 and yet, cant even tell us what wallet you used for this or how, but you think a wallet from 2010 is yours ?
And no, there is no hidden info/deleted info etc about this LOLOL ffs. You just dont remember shit properly and you are dismissing what really happened as it doesn't fit your "narrative" . You sure you used darknet markets champ ? If you did, sounds like they cooked your brain.
Cant believe it has to be stated again, You cant create a btc address from pgp keys ffs. You never created a btc wallet in 2010 with 8 words and password. NO, no you didnt. No one did. That came out in 2012ish. WTF are you on about hash now again, the btc protocol always used sha256, has nothing to do with anything. Stop confusing pgp keys and btc keys.
This "timeline" from you is important to work out what you think you did. You crap on about btc pizza which happened in 2010 and wasnt mentioned in Australia till 2013, you crap on about using darknet markets from 2011 and 2013 and yet, cant even tell us what wallet you used for this or how, but you think a wallet from 2010 is yours ?
And no, there is no hidden info/deleted info etc about this LOLOL ffs. You just dont remember shit properly and you are dismissing what really happened as it doesn't fit your "narrative" . You sure you used darknet markets champ ? If you did, sounds like they cooked your brain.
Was listening to the new Danny Jones podcast this morning on DNA The guy he's interviewing mentions turning information into a number sequence using a SHA256 hash of infomation that can then be put on the blockchain as a "timestamp" are the 41 minute mark.
My guess is the "timestamp" is irrelevant but how you would get that SHA256 hash to the next step I personally dont know right now. Might have already been mention on this thread. Cryptojohn has already mentioned SHA256 & sent some further information. I also mentioned SHA256 in the original post but had no clue what I was talking about & still had to get my head around it.
To me this sounds like where the whole seed/passphrase concept originated (my 8 words & password) could be enough to regenerate the wallet as ive also mentioned before. I had a quick try of one of the programs that's be discussed but may have had the fields mixed up. Tried it once to see what happens then left it.
Anywhoo the guy on Danny Jones then mentions if you were to change one of the letters in the sequence (or even change one of the letters to a capital) the end result changes & that is EXACTLY how I remember it. Pretty crazy when you think about it. Have a quick listen.
My guess is the "timestamp" is irrelevant but how you would get that SHA256 hash to the next step I personally dont know right now. Might have already been mention on this thread. Cryptojohn has already mentioned SHA256 & sent some further information. I also mentioned SHA256 in the original post but had no clue what I was talking about & still had to get my head around it.
To me this sounds like where the whole seed/passphrase concept originated (my 8 words & password) could be enough to regenerate the wallet as ive also mentioned before. I had a quick try of one of the programs that's be discussed but may have had the fields mixed up. Tried it once to see what happens then left it.
Anywhoo the guy on Danny Jones then mentions if you were to change one of the letters in the sequence (or even change one of the letters to a capital) the end result changes & that is EXACTLY how I remember it. Pretty crazy when you think about it. Have a quick listen.
That's exactly what a brain wallet is. It takes words, SHA256 hashes them to a private key. The brainwallet page also shows you the wallet address so you can check on https://blockchain.com/explorer to see if the address is funded.
Try this.
DO NOT USE YOUR WORDS ONLINE.
Download the web page and use it offline. See offline usage at the bottom of the file.
https://iancoleman.io/bip39/
Try all the derivation paths and enter the addresses (Only) in a blockchain explorer online
Given the age of your wallet it will start with a 1 e.g 1LqfqqrPp6pASY5kNbVseawXiEnZP8QfC9
If you find one with a balance, its yours.
Good luck
DO NOT USE YOUR WORDS ONLINE.
Download the web page and use it offline. See offline usage at the bottom of the file.
https://iancoleman.io/bip39/
Try all the derivation paths and enter the addresses (Only) in a blockchain explorer online
Given the age of your wallet it will start with a 1 e.g 1LqfqqrPp6pASY5kNbVseawXiEnZP8QfC9
If you find one with a balance, its yours.
Good luck
Yep. Thats how i remember it. Now I need to get from a SHA256 hash to keys, a WIF or even a 64 bit hexadecimal password but could be wrong. Just need to keep follow the logic till all the pieces of the puzzle come togeather then I can attempted my theory.
BTC has obviously gone up quite a bit in value lately & it's ain't going down in the next couple of months. Have come to the conclusion that trying to rush the process like a madman isn't going to work. Need to figure out a series of steps & trust the process.
BTC has obviously gone up quite a bit in value lately & it's ain't going down in the next couple of months. Have come to the conclusion that trying to rush the process like a madman isn't going to work. Need to figure out a series of steps & trust the process.
You can change only a single bit in the input of SHA256 and the resulting hash is usually completely different from the SHA256 hash of the input before the bit flip. That's the purpose of a good one-way hash function and SHA256 is so far a pretty pretty good one.
Was listening to the new Danny Jones podcast this morning on DNA The guy he's interviewing mentions turning information into a number sequence using a SHA256 hash of infomation that can then be put on the blockchain as a "timestamp" are the 41 minute mark.
My guess is the "timestamp" is irrelevant but how you would get that SHA256 hash to the next step I personally dont know right now. Might have already been mention on this thread. Cryptojohn has already mentioned SHA256 & sent some further information. I also mentioned SHA256 in the original post but had no clue what I was talking about & still had to get my head around it.
To me this sounds like where the whole seed/passphrase concept originated (my 8 words & password) could be enough to regenerate the wallet as ive also mentioned before. I had a quick try of one of the programs that's be discussed but may have had the fields mixed up. Tried it once to see what happens then left it.
Anywhoo the guy on Danny Jones then mentions if you were to change one of the letters in the sequence (or even change one of the letters to a capital) the end result changes & that is EXACTLY how I remember it. Pretty crazy when you think about it. Have a quick listen.
My guess is the "timestamp" is irrelevant but how you would get that SHA256 hash to the next step I personally dont know right now. Might have already been mention on this thread. Cryptojohn has already mentioned SHA256 & sent some further information. I also mentioned SHA256 in the original post but had no clue what I was talking about & still had to get my head around it.
To me this sounds like where the whole seed/passphrase concept originated (my 8 words & password) could be enough to regenerate the wallet as ive also mentioned before. I had a quick try of one of the programs that's be discussed but may have had the fields mixed up. Tried it once to see what happens then left it.
Anywhoo the guy on Danny Jones then mentions if you were to change one of the letters in the sequence (or even change one of the letters to a capital) the end result changes & that is EXACTLY how I remember it. Pretty crazy when you think about it. Have a quick listen.
Do you think you can dig up some of the stuff you're talking about from some of your storage media and/or storage devices? Like the guide you remember to have read?
This may lead you to more or other clues or to some sort of source of what was used in the past.
It could also be that there's some description in this forum. It's just buried somewhere. Clever use of search keywords can do magic... (try ninjastic.space, it's friendlier to search the forum there than with the forum's own search).
Your coins don't run away, you have all the time nature grants you.
This may lead you to more or other clues or to some sort of source of what was used in the past.
It could also be that there's some description in this forum. It's just buried somewhere. Clever use of search keywords can do magic... (try ninjastic.space, it's friendlier to search the forum there than with the forum's own search).
Your coins don't run away, you have all the time nature grants you.
Finally back from holiday. Took an extra few days to get back into the swing of things back here in Melbourne. Was nice to give the whole wallet thing a rest for a couple of weeks.
I've got a funny feeling there was some sort of brainwallet/paperwallet program that created the keys the way I've said numerous times. I say just keys cause I'm not 100% sure if they were PGP keys or just private/public addresses. Then keys could be loaded onto the Bitcoin Client plus you could also make a paper printed copy of the wallet once you were done.
Fairly certain whoever made the guide I was reading covered backing up the coins from every possible angle. That's using the 8 words & password (like brainwallet) it's also retaining a copy of the USB (so digital wallet) & printing out a copy of the wallet (paperwallet) Pretty crazy really that's there's very few people out there that had a similar experience.
Definitely an interesting subject. Didn't really think much about it while away but that's my conclusion. On another note tried opening the old Armoury wallet just by downloading it off the internet. Got the failed to spawn DB message & it wouldnt work online. I just laughed & gave up. Will have to watch some YouTube videos before trying again.
Finally either I'm a whole lot dumber than I was 14 years ago or I've still got ALOT of catching up to do. 😂😂😂
I've got a funny feeling there was some sort of brainwallet/paperwallet program that created the keys the way I've said numerous times. I say just keys cause I'm not 100% sure if they were PGP keys or just private/public addresses. Then keys could be loaded onto the Bitcoin Client plus you could also make a paper printed copy of the wallet once you were done.
Fairly certain whoever made the guide I was reading covered backing up the coins from every possible angle. That's using the 8 words & password (like brainwallet) it's also retaining a copy of the USB (so digital wallet) & printing out a copy of the wallet (paperwallet) Pretty crazy really that's there's very few people out there that had a similar experience.
Definitely an interesting subject. Didn't really think much about it while away but that's my conclusion. On another note tried opening the old Armoury wallet just by downloading it off the internet. Got the failed to spawn DB message & it wouldnt work online. I just laughed & gave up. Will have to watch some YouTube videos before trying again.
Finally either I'm a whole lot dumber than I was 14 years ago or I've still got ALOT of catching up to do. 😂😂😂
I have a very similar story to yours, the fact is that they were testing mnemonics in early May of 2010, I logged into a web service then to be greeted with a mnemonic string.
I do differ in that this wasn't the only thing I was given as mine involves PGP..
Even with massive help, we are left trawling archives for lost concepts and code which has certainly been intentionally removed or lost, changes in op-code structure prevents recovery and the key players won't help or respond, they make out that you have likely been taken for a ride, which on study of our files cannot be the case.
Perhaps we can share findings privately? we relate to theUNIONJACK, we might not be that far away.
I do differ in that this wasn't the only thing I was given as mine involves PGP..
Even with massive help, we are left trawling archives for lost concepts and code which has certainly been intentionally removed or lost, changes in op-code structure prevents recovery and the key players won't help or respond, they make out that you have likely been taken for a ride, which on study of our files cannot be the case.
Perhaps we can share findings privately? we relate to theUNIONJACK, we might not be that far away.
What web service was this? UnionJack has mentioned having a PGP key also.
To check if your words are a brainwallet.
Load this page:
https://web.archive.org/web/20131031041506/http://brainwallet.org/
turn off internet.
type words,
copy words and address into text file.
repeat for whatever you think should be the right combination (8 words, 8 words plus password, etc)
save text file.
restart computer.
load text file,
check addresses at https://www.blockchain.com/explorer
If you find the address with the bitcoin.
You can start at step 1 to enter the words to get the private key.
copy private key.
You can import the private key into a bitcoin wallet (like electrum, available from https://electrum.org) to access your bitcoin.
if you don't find any bitcoin, it's probably not a brainwallet.
This is not a safe environment to play around with private keys. On an online device or your daily driver you basically can't assess the security status of it. Turning off the internet connection and saving files with private keys and resuming online state later doesn't make anything more secure. This is UNSAFE handling! Should there be some more or less sophisticated malware on the device, it will (potentially) exfiltrate valuable data when the online status resumes.Load this page:
https://web.archive.org/web/20131031041506/http://brainwallet.org/
turn off internet.
type words,
copy words and address into text file.
repeat for whatever you think should be the right combination (8 words, 8 words plus password, etc)
save text file.
restart computer.
load text file,
check addresses at https://www.blockchain.com/explorer
If you find the address with the bitcoin.
You can start at step 1 to enter the words to get the private key.
copy private key.
You can import the private key into a bitcoin wallet (like electrum, available from https://electrum.org) to access your bitcoin.
if you don't find any bitcoin, it's probably not a brainwallet.
Don't fool yourself with such unsafe practices!
You either boot a known safe system like a Live Linux or TAILS which both run only in RAM and won't store anything persistantly unless you do it intentionally e.g. on some USB thumbdrive, or you setup a clean spare offline computer which stays offline and which you treat like a cold wallet. The goal is to have safe control that potentially valuable private keys can't be leaked unintentionally.
Too many people have not much clue of computer security and especially safe practices in the context of crypto coin space.
I have a very similar story to yours, the fact is that they were testing mnemonics in early May of 2010, I logged into a web service then to be greeted with a mnemonic string.
I do differ in that this wasn't the only thing I was given as mine involves PGP..
Even with massive help, we are left trawling archives for lost concepts and code which has certainly been intentionally removed or lost, changes in op-code structure prevents recovery and the key players won't help or respond, they make out that you have likely been taken for a ride, which on study of our files cannot be the case.
Perhaps we can share findings privately? we relate to theUNIONJACK, we might not be that far away.
I do differ in that this wasn't the only thing I was given as mine involves PGP..
Even with massive help, we are left trawling archives for lost concepts and code which has certainly been intentionally removed or lost, changes in op-code structure prevents recovery and the key players won't help or respond, they make out that you have likely been taken for a ride, which on study of our files cannot be the case.
Perhaps we can share findings privately? we relate to theUNIONJACK, we might not be that far away.
To check if your words are a brainwallet.
Load this page:
https://web.archive.org/web/20131031041506/http://brainwallet.org/
turn off internet.
type words,
copy words and address into text file.
repeat for whatever you think should be the right combination (8 words, 8 words plus password, etc)
save text file.
restart computer.
load text file,
check addresses at https://www.blockchain.com/explorer
If you find the address with the bitcoin.
You can start at step 1 to enter the words to get the private key.
copy private key.
You can import the private key into a bitcoin wallet (like electrum, available from https://electrum.org) to access your bitcoin.
if you don't find any bitcoin, it's probably not a brainwallet.
Load this page:
https://web.archive.org/web/20131031041506/http://brainwallet.org/
turn off internet.
type words,
copy words and address into text file.
repeat for whatever you think should be the right combination (8 words, 8 words plus password, etc)
save text file.
restart computer.
load text file,
check addresses at https://www.blockchain.com/explorer
If you find the address with the bitcoin.
You can start at step 1 to enter the words to get the private key.
copy private key.
You can import the private key into a bitcoin wallet (like electrum, available from https://electrum.org) to access your bitcoin.
if you don't find any bitcoin, it's probably not a brainwallet.
But the brainwallet could also have been generated from a concatenation of the 8 words and the 13+ symbols password, which makes a lot of sense to increase entropy with the added password.
I wrote him the same thing a long time ago.There could be a program or a web page that first asks you to enter a list of words to remember.
Then a separate field for entering a password.
Individual fields could be there to make it easier for the user to understand or better remember the information.
But the logic of the code could be simple: seed = SHA256(words+password)
8 words & a 13+ character password to generate a wallet in 2010 all within 2 weeks to 6 months max of the pizza article showing up on the Heraldsun website. $200 AUD transaction at anywhere from 0.03c to 0.09c USD per BTC.
I was about to propose a brainwallet of those 8 words and the 13+ symbols password as BIP38 encryption of the private key, but unfortunately the BIP38 part doesn't fit into the timeline setting as BIP38 was proposed somewhere in November 2012 and thus too far into the future with respect to Bitcoin's pizza day inception.But the brainwallet could also have been generated from a concatenation of the 8 words and the 13+ symbols password, which makes a lot of sense to increase entropy with the added password.
I did only a very brief search when brainwallets were invented. I'm not sure if there's a particularly specific period of their inception. Probably many people had the idea to just hash "something" with SHA-256 to get a private key where you'd only had to check it falls within the bounds of valid private keys (being out-of-bounds is very ... very unlikely). And some if not many might not have made a fuzz about their brainwallet idea.
If brainwallets were "a thing" in the time period you set, I can't say for sure. I'll leave my brain farts at this...
You know what a brainwallet is? Taking the famous XKCD password strength sketch "correct horse battery staple" the corresponding brainwallet private key is SHA-256("correct horse battery staple") yielding uncompressed private key 5KJvsngHeMpm884wtkJNzQGaCErckhHJBGFsvd3VyK5qMZXj3hS with public address 1JwSSubhmg6iPtRjtyqhUYYH7bZg3Lfy1T or compressed private key L3p8oAcQTtuokSCRHQ7i4MhjWc9zornvpJLfmg62sYpLRJF9woSu with public address 1C7zdTfnkzmr13HfA2vNm5SJYRK6nEKyq8.
Needless to say, don't use above example "brainwallet". Some stupid lost 10.8BTC as the biggest chunk of coins sent to the uncompressed address, total losses of this uncompressed "brainwallet" as of now: 15.94702373BTC. It's even worse for the compressed address: biggest lost chunk was 21.3861BTC, total stolen amount is 21.88971469BTC.
I assume any sent coins were stolen by stealing bots.
Never ever use publicly known stuff for brainwallets!
If you want to play a bit with brainwallets, download and verify the page code of bitaddress.org. If you play with your words and password, do this only on a disposable offline instance of a live Linux or Tails in offline mode.
8 words & a 13+ character password to generate a wallet in 2010 all within 2 weeks to 6 months max of the pizza article showing up on the Heraldsun website. $200 AUD transaction at anywhere from 0.03c to 0.09c USD per BTC.
Show me how to regenerate the same wallet & as soon as I access it I'll transfer you a couple of million dollars worth of BTC quicker than you can blink plus pay the tax component the "shit" useless goverment in your country wants on the capital gains or tax on the "gift" so you can clear that money straight into your account down to the very last cent. After that we can celebrate together if you want anywhere you want at my expense.
That is the crux of the situation & right now ive got nothing else to work with. It's doable as far as I know...how beats me. Could be nice & simple or it could take a lot of trial & error. Look at it this way...everyway possible is worth a shot.
I don't need the cash right now to be honest & probably never will. Pretty happy with my current situation. Money is not what this is about. Its a little niggle/riddle i've have in the back of my mind that's been bugging me for ⅓ of my life. I just would like to give it a go to try & solve it. Still got 10 - 20+ years worst case scenario to figure it out. One thing i will say is if I do look like kicking the bucket I'll post the 8 words & password on this forum before I go in hope that someone one day gets those coins.
Not much else to say right now other than if you are ever at the Goldcoast with a pocket full of cash Little Truffle Dining & Bar is a great place to start for a nice dinner.
I do appreciate your reply. Just got off on the wrong foot my friend & i apologise for the confusion. Would have been nice & easy to find the Scandisk USB with the keys & the given words but it didn't happen. If it did i probably wouldn't be on here telling my story. I'd have much better things to do with my time.
Show me how to regenerate the same wallet & as soon as I access it I'll transfer you a couple of million dollars worth of BTC quicker than you can blink plus pay the tax component the "shit" useless goverment in your country wants on the capital gains or tax on the "gift" so you can clear that money straight into your account down to the very last cent. After that we can celebrate together if you want anywhere you want at my expense.
That is the crux of the situation & right now ive got nothing else to work with. It's doable as far as I know...how beats me. Could be nice & simple or it could take a lot of trial & error. Look at it this way...everyway possible is worth a shot.
I don't need the cash right now to be honest & probably never will. Pretty happy with my current situation. Money is not what this is about. Its a little niggle/riddle i've have in the back of my mind that's been bugging me for ⅓ of my life. I just would like to give it a go to try & solve it. Still got 10 - 20+ years worst case scenario to figure it out. One thing i will say is if I do look like kicking the bucket I'll post the 8 words & password on this forum before I go in hope that someone one day gets those coins.
Not much else to say right now other than if you are ever at the Goldcoast with a pocket full of cash Little Truffle Dining & Bar is a great place to start for a nice dinner.
I do appreciate your reply. Just got off on the wrong foot my friend & i apologise for the confusion. Would have been nice & easy to find the Scandisk USB with the keys & the given words but it didn't happen. If it did i probably wouldn't be on here telling my story. I'd have much better things to do with my time.
IIRC, BIP32 (hierarchical deterministic key derivation) has been introduced somewhere in 2012 and BIP39 (representation of wallet entropy by mnemonic recovery words and a specific scheme to derive the master extended private key for further BIP32 derivation) was proposed somewhere in 2013.
Armory wallet introduced a different way to provide a deterministic wallet and likely was earlier than BIP32 and BIP39, but I don't know exactly when Armory showed up with their deterministic approach. You might find such details in this forum's Armory board.
It's already problematic when you can't recall or have no documentation of what kind of wallet you used. Was it an online wallet or was it some locally installed software wallet?
I'm not sure if e.g. the online wallet of blockchain.com was one of the first to provide recovery details in some form of words or so. Very doubtful to have happened already in 2010.
Some guy, user Tyke, compiled a book and timeline of Bitcoin's history:
The Bitcoin History Book 2008-2024 [Paperback/Hardcover/eBook]
See if you find some timeline clues there.
For 2010 I can't quite believe this to have actually happened as you say. There were no offline or online wallets that used normal words to represent a wallet or being able to recover one from those words in 2010, IIRC.
I'm far from being a role model for proper documentation, but I still know how and to which pool I mined my first bitcoins back in 2011. I still have the wallet files and the software used. I know what I did with my coins from the beginning of my Bitcoin journey in 2011 until today.
And because I had to recover my wallet from a dying harddrive, I learned a lot in this process which I simply didn't see and know about wallets and how Bitcoin works in particular. I just used the Bitcoin node and wallet client software in 2011 and was far from any decent understanding back then.
My suggestion for any progress here from other knowledgable forum members:
Armory wallet introduced a different way to provide a deterministic wallet and likely was earlier than BIP32 and BIP39, but I don't know exactly when Armory showed up with their deterministic approach. You might find such details in this forum's Armory board.
So that said could I have been givem 12 random words to open wallet in 2010 whether it be encryption related or forgetting password related?
I have some doubts that this happened how you recall it, simply based on the timeline of wallet technological progress.It's already problematic when you can't recall or have no documentation of what kind of wallet you used. Was it an online wallet or was it some locally installed software wallet?
I'm not sure if e.g. the online wallet of blockchain.com was one of the first to provide recovery details in some form of words or so. Very doubtful to have happened already in 2010.
Some guy, user Tyke, compiled a book and timeline of Bitcoin's history:
The Bitcoin History Book 2008-2024 [Paperback/Hardcover/eBook]
See if you find some timeline clues there.
Pretty sure I was given the words after creating the wallet plus saved them to a notepad file & was there in 2010.
Do you have these details available to you? (I'm not asking to disclose them to the public here, of course.)For 2010 I can't quite believe this to have actually happened as you say. There were no offline or online wallets that used normal words to represent a wallet or being able to recover one from those words in 2010, IIRC.
I actually can't believe how difficult it is get anywhere with this. Seem to be spending alot of time on the semantics rather than taking the key information & trying to do something with it.
Might aswell ask again cause haven't really seen a decent response yet...
I understand your frustration, but it's your duty to gather the pieces and details and present them in a concise manner. That's what I criticized when I wrote it's a mess here how you present your case. Think about it, why should those with some knowledge do the hard work for you to sort the details, to find clues, omit your distracting personal details when those have nothing to do with your case.Might aswell ask again cause haven't really seen a decent response yet...
On a side note this has been doing my noodle for far too long. Going away to the Goldcoast for 10 days early next week & don't plan on thinking about wallets for the entire trip. Even going to give the one in my back pocket to the misses & say you deal with it I don't even want to see it.
Still toasted after the Coldplay concert last night aswell. Need a break. 😞
It's OK to annouce that you won't be able to respond for a certain time, if that's the case. Your other personal stuff is irrelevant and off-topic here. It's just noise and may distract readers and put them off to to deal with your case.Still toasted after the Coldplay concert last night aswell. Need a break. 😞
I just don't get why it's so hard to believe that I didn't buy the coins in 2010...pretty comical really. Don't actually know what else to say about that particular topic so not even going to bother trying to justify it anymore.
Do you have any documentation or notes about this purchase? On which website did it happen? Anything that could provide clues how and where you might've received the purchased coins? You must've transfered fiat money for the trade. There weren't too many exchanges in 2010 to buy coins. (Don't remember when something like localbitcoins was a thing.)I'm far from being a role model for proper documentation, but I still know how and to which pool I mined my first bitcoins back in 2011. I still have the wallet files and the software used. I know what I did with my coins from the beginning of my Bitcoin journey in 2011 until today.
And because I had to recover my wallet from a dying harddrive, I learned a lot in this process which I simply didn't see and know about wallets and how Bitcoin works in particular. I just used the Bitcoin node and wallet client software in 2011 and was far from any decent understanding back then.
My suggestion for any progress here from other knowledgable forum members:
- gather all bits'n'pieces and details you have, you might need to search more in what you have on storage media and whatnot else
- sort your "shit" in a presentable manner, that's your duty, not ours
- try hard to classify what can safely be made public and what you shouldn't disclose to avoid someone else stealing your coins (helpful newbies here aren't trustworthy by default; it's your choice whom you want to trust)
- human memory is a tricky thing, it's not uncommon to associate things from different times to one narrow timeline when memory is fuzzy and due to years past and no specific need to recall details precisely (also due to lack of technical understanding, no offense)
Im pretty sure the next thing you should focus on is to get the harddrive of the PC (the one running the operating system) secured into a forensic image, and then examine the image with tools able to parse the information below.
For a given timeframe in 2010, i would spend some time looking into:
- eventlogs
- browser history
- searches
- applications installed
- files opened etc.
As you dig into it, some pieces of the puzzle may start to appear, and use this information to move further on with the examination.
For a given timeframe in 2010, i would spend some time looking into:
- eventlogs
- browser history
- searches
- applications installed
- files opened etc.
As you dig into it, some pieces of the puzzle may start to appear, and use this information to move further on with the examination.
So that said could I have been givem 12 random words to open wallet in 2010 whether it be encryption related or forgetting password related?
Pretty sure I was given the words after creating the wallet plus saved them to a notepad file & was there in 2010. Does that make me a historian. 🤔
I actually can't believe how difficult it is get anywhere with this. Seem to be spending alot of time on the semantics rather than taking the key information & trying to do something with it.
Might aswell ask again cause haven't really seen a decent response yet...
Do you know if there was a way to build keys using 8 words & a password...
I've founds ways to do it but nothing has generated a pre-existing old wallet yet.
After that once keys are built are you able to tell me why they can't be used to regenerate the wallet...
Pretty sure I was given the words after creating the wallet plus saved them to a notepad file & was there in 2010. Does that make me a historian. 🤔
I actually can't believe how difficult it is get anywhere with this. Seem to be spending alot of time on the semantics rather than taking the key information & trying to do something with it.
Might aswell ask again cause haven't really seen a decent response yet...
Do you know if there was a way to build keys using 8 words & a password...
I've founds ways to do it but nothing has generated a pre-existing old wallet yet. After that once keys are built are you able to tell me why they can't be used to regenerate the wallet...
Real old Bitcoin Core legacy wallets had a 12 word encryption phrase to temporarily unlock the wallet. Not a recovery phrase so for those of you still stuck on that particular topic now we can move on.
I'm no original Bitcoin client software historian, but I highly doubt what you say here and such false claims don't help this topic. Prove me wrong with some descriptive source links of your claim!Let's level the discussion ground. When we speak of Bitcoin Core, we mean the original Bitcoin node client software, develeoped by Satoshi Nakamoto and further developed and evolved from there by other Bitcoin Core devs. This is what we call Bitcoin Core today, in early years it wasn't called Bitcoin Core yet.
To my knowledge the early Bitcoin client software didn't have encryption to secure a wallet, wallet and private key encryption came later. A wallet encryption passphrase could be anything, words or a continuous string of "symbols". Symbols meaning anything you can type in.
Private keys in old legacy wallets were random not deterministic. The concept of an HD wallet which derives its private keys deterministically from a random hdseed key also came later. The original Bitcoin client software never uses mnemonic recovery words until today. You always had to backup the wallet file or jump through some hoops to save and restore the hdseed key of an HD wallet to recreate it without a backup wallet.dat file.
We probably need to define what legacy is specifically if it's important for the ongoing discussion. For me a legacy Bitcoin Core wallet is a pre-HD wallet, i.e. a wallet with a non-deterministic keystore full of unrelated random private keys.
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