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Topic: EB94 – Gavin Andresen: On The Blocksize And Bitcoin's Governance - page 2. (Read 1865 times)

legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1007
That was a great interview. A lot of good point have been made. Worth watching.

I was happy to hear Gavin say that he wants to "get to the point where there will be multiple robust implementations of the core protocol."  Based on the opposition I've received here to similar ideas I've proposed, I thought that perhaps I was missing something.  I'm more confident now that I'm not.  We need to decentralize development.  

This gave me a new talking point: "Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes"

More info on the idea: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-September/010802.html


Yup bitcoin core is dead. Many newbies here still can't grasp this simple concept.

Forking is by design feature of bitcoin. Bitcoin core is nothing but an implementation of the protocol. It is NOT the protocol itself.

 Huh

How is it "dead"? Who's taken its place?

Nothing is dead.  What is slowly dying, however, is the idea that the implementation called "Core" is somehow core to Bitcoin.

Core is locked-up; Wladimir won't integrate changes without Core Dev consensus. With all the arguing, I think there's now too much bad blood around Core.  Why not let it go?  Let's not reach consensus with Bitcoin Core.  This will then provide impetus for new implementations to fork from Core (like XT did) and implement whatever scaling solution they deem best.  The users will then select the winning solution simply based on the code they choose to run.  The other implementations will then rush to make compatible changes in order to keep their dwindling user bases.  

This is the decentralized spirit of Bitcoin in action.  Creative destruction.  Consensus formed simply by the code we run.  
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
Which won't before getting consensus. Meanwhile it's just an alt-client.

No, it's not an alt-client.  Electrum, or Multibit or MyCelium or Synala or BitWasp are alt-clients.  They all still follow the Bitcoin protocol.

XT on the other hand is creating their own blockchain, hence it's an alt-coin.



By the same logic, what you're using now is not bitcoin dumbass.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
That was a great interview. A lot of good point have been made. Worth watching.

I was happy to hear Gavin say that he wants to "get to the point where there will be multiple robust implementations of the core protocol."  Based on the opposition I've received here to similar ideas I've proposed, I thought that perhaps I was missing something.  I'm more confident now that I'm not.  We need to decentralize development.  

This gave me a new talking point: "Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes"

More info on the idea: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-September/010802.html


Yup bitcoin core is dead. Many newbies here still can't grasp this simple concept.

Forking is by design feature of bitcoin. Bitcoin core is nothing but an implementation of the protocol. It is NOT the protocol itself.

 Huh

How is it "dead"? Who's taken its place?
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
That was a great interview. A lot of good point have been made. Worth watching.

I was happy to hear Gavin say that he wants to "get to the point where there will be multiple robust implementations of the core protocol."  Based on the opposition I've received here to similar ideas I've proposed, I thought that perhaps I was missing something.  I'm more confident now that I'm not.  We need to decentralize development.  

This gave me a new talking point: "Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes"

More info on the idea: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-September/010802.html


Yup bitcoin core is dead. Many newbies here still can't grasp this simple concept.

Forking is by design feature of bitcoin. Bitcoin core is nothing but an implementation of the protocol. It is NOT the protocol itself.
legendary
Activity: 4690
Merit: 1276

Bitcoin, however, is a peer-to-peer IT community, so the process of problem-solving involves a lot more email shouting, forum harrumphing, social media trolling, barista bating and generally singeing each other’s ironic Edwardian beards.

It's an upgrade from having decisions made in the cloistered and opaque bowels of The Bitcoin Foundation.  Thankfully someone leaked the discussion Hearn provoked about coin tainting and that little gem started being bandied about in public.  If not, the whole rotten organization may not have crumbled.

hero member
Activity: 616
Merit: 500
Bitcoin, however, is a peer-to-peer IT community, so the process of problem-solving involves a lot more email shouting, forum harrumphing, social media trolling, barista bating and generally singeing each other’s ironic Edwardian beards.
sr. member
Activity: 318
Merit: 251
Which won't before getting consensus. Meanwhile it's just an alt-client.

No, it's not an alt-client.  Electrum, or Multibit or MyCelium or Synala or BitWasp are alt-clients.  They all still follow the Bitcoin protocol.

XT on the other hand is creating their own blockchain, hence it's an alt-coin.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
This gave me a new talking point: "Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes"

We have those.  They're called alt-coins, and they all suck.

Not to mention, they're all based off Bitcoin Core code.



Alt-clients =! alt-coins

There is a distinction.

Alt-client =! Bitcoin XT

There is a distinction.

Nope, my bitcoin XT is compatible with your bitcoin Core. We can send bitcoins to each others.

Otherwise in which category you would put XT?

XT is attempting to fork the network and change the consensus rules. It is no longer simply "just another implementation".

Which won't before getting consensus. Meanwhile it's just an alt-client.

Shall we pretend that anyone pushing for the adoption of Bitcoin XT is not diverging from consensus? That their support of this implementation could not lead to the creation of an alt coin and that therefore they already support an altcoin, and not Bitcoin, by association?
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
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This gave me a new talking point: "Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes"

We have those.  They're called alt-coins, and they all suck.

Not to mention, they're all based off Bitcoin Core code.



Alt-clients =! alt-coins

There is a distinction.

Alt-client =! Bitcoin XT

There is a distinction.

Nope, my bitcoin XT is compatible with your bitcoin Core. We can send bitcoins to each others.

Otherwise in which category you would put XT?

XT is attempting to fork the network and change the consensus rules. It is no longer simply "just another implementation".

Which won't before getting consensus. Meanwhile it's just an alt-client.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
This gave me a new talking point: "Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes"

We have those.  They're called alt-coins, and they all suck.

Not to mention, they're all based off Bitcoin Core code.



Alt-clients =! alt-coins

There is a distinction.

Alt-client =! Bitcoin XT

There is a distinction.

Nope, my bitcoin XT is compatible with your bitcoin Core. We can send bitcoins to each others.

Otherwise in which category you would put XT?

XT is attempting to fork the network and change the consensus rules. It is no longer simply "just another implementation".
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
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This gave me a new talking point: "Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes"

We have those.  They're called alt-coins, and they all suck.

Not to mention, they're all based off Bitcoin Core code.



Alt-clients =! alt-coins

There is a distinction.

Alt-client =! Bitcoin XT

There is a distinction.

Nope, my bitcoin XT is compatible with your bitcoin Core. We can send bitcoins to each others.

Otherwise in which category you would put XT?
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
This gave me a new talking point: "Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes"

We have those.  They're called alt-coins, and they all suck.

Not to mention, they're all based off Bitcoin Core code.



Alt-clients =! alt-coins

There is a distinction.

Alt-client =! Bitcoin XT

There is a distinction.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
--------------->¿?
This gave me a new talking point: "Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes"

We have those.  They're called alt-coins, and they all suck.

Not to mention, they're all based off Bitcoin Core code.



Alt-clients =! alt-coins

There is a distinction.
sr. member
Activity: 318
Merit: 251
This gave me a new talking point: "Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes"

We have those.  They're called alt-coins, and they all suck.

Not to mention, they're all based off Bitcoin Core code.

legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1000
The Dude Of DopeCoin
Can we just ask the simple question of how does BIP or XT effect the average holder?... we can't all afford to spend the time analyzing alternatives.

It doesn't. The average users really don't have to matter.

I agree with what you just said there. Very true.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
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Can we just ask the simple question of how does BIP or XT effect the average holder?... we can't all afford to spend the time analyzing alternatives.

It doesn't. The average users really don't have to matter.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
Can we just ask the simple question of how does BIP or XT effect the average holder?... we can't all afford to spend the time analyzing alternatives.
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1007
That was a great interview. A lot of good point have been made. Worth watching.

I was happy to hear Gavin say that he wants to "get to the point where there will be multiple robust implementations of the core protocol."  Based on the opposition I've received here to similar ideas I've proposed, I thought that perhaps I was missing something.  I'm more confident now that I'm not.  We need to decentralize development.  

This gave me a new talking point: "Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes"

More info on the idea: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-September/010802.html
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
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That was a great interview. A lot of good point have been made. Worth watching.
newbie
Activity: 27
Merit: 0

I'll tell you one thing:  That French guy in the advertisement needs to be popping that zit.  The thing is trophy class!

If he put the event on youtube he could probably make more in views than he could from running that wallet service thing he's got going.

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