Topic: Ebay/paypal scam (Read 12648 times)

PayPal has expressed interest in Bitcoin, and PayPal owns eBay, so thing should move along nicely in the future.

I wish these kinds of stuff will not happen again.

Yeah im wondering how paypal is going to deal with bitcoins, should be interesting to watch

ebay / paypal is a joke unless you ship with proof of delivery. I sold around $1000 in coins most of which were under 9.99  so in those cases I sent the coin in a brown envelope normal mail  (no reason to spend $4-5 on shipping and proof of shipping on a $10 coin.

Well about 15 people claimed to have had their paypal/ebay accounts stolen and even though I shipped the coins out and everything went smooth paypal still took my money out of my account and made me go -180$. So basically unless you have 100% proof of delivery they will always give it back to the buyer whether its bitcoins or any items.


the only thing you can do is sell the bitcoin and mail them something "showing proof of delivery"  my buddy will sell a toy soldier for $300 ship the toy soldier with proof of delivery and say "with the toy soldier a free .50 btc comes with it"  Thats the only way he hasn't been scammed by people as he has proof the soldier was delivered.

Hi guys, this thread is very interesting. Also thankyou to everyone for brining it up.

My story is simply this. Ive been offering 'scrypt coin mining services' on ebay for the last 3-4 motnhs. Let me just say that not all ebay buyers are scammers. Although there are the few occassional(and usually quite large purchases, of my small $8.50 for 3 Hours of 80Mh/s mining listing for example) ebay users, whos accounts have been hacked(apparently) and ive already provided the service to the ebay buyer, by which point the ebay buyer then, uses paypal to create an unauthorised claim against my account.
Paypal will not protect ebay sellers offering virtual coin related listings on ebay, no matter they're years of completely legitimtae selling activity on eBay(since 2003 in my case), they're parent company. Im also a power seller and i still have to wait 21 days, to receive my funds via Paypal, because eBay have placed this regulation, which paypal customer service advised me of.
eBay customer service are still looking into this matter(yeah sure).

Sooooo, my question is. Does anyone know of any payment service that protects ebay sellers who list mining services?

Or are all ebay sellers, selling mining services and virtual coins, simply doomed to have to take, the occassional financial hit, now and again?

and when i mean again. I mean 6 times in 2 months out of the 30 transactions made by ebay buyers, whom have used my services.

Most of which were the larger purchases by the way.(So be cautious of those)

How can eBay allow this apparent hacking of theyre accounts to happen? Also, how do these "hackers", not only get the ebay buyers ebay user account details and they're paypal account details aswell?
Isnt that strange in itself?

Any help would be unbelievably appreciated guys.

cheers guys
Alex

I advice you to be away from eBay and PayPal, they are always full of shit.

When dealing with them, I'm feeling like I'm diffusing a bomb and in any second, it will blow me off.

Trust me...this isn't something specific to bitcoin on ebay/paypal...I have several friends that regularly get their account(s) frozen (0 crypto-involvement whatosever) for one BS reason or another at least 1-2 times a month and these are well established account holders.  Ebay/Paypal basically have carte blanche insofar as how they handle your hard earned money because you agreed to their ToS.  They see you pulling in the big bucks consistently your bound to get hit with some sort of "security audit" or "suspicious activity" or some other BS excuse sooner or later.  (typically sooner)

Yes they do, you signed their TOS.

+1 for this part of your statement

additionally I would say anyone trying to sell bitcoin at this point needs to just have the buyer send the money as a personal gift, then it is both irreversible, AND you just cut paypal out of getting a portion of your money XD

I do this for anyone wanting to put downpayments on goods I make and sell, and it works wonderfully, the last big payment they make I let them pay normally if they choose but if they are willing to pay the same way on the last payment I just cut them a deal on shipping to give them back the fees paypal would have taken, now mind you if you do a LOT of business this way, paypal will catch on and probably screw you, but if you are not using them often for now, this way you should be good.

also you can sell a paper cold storage wallet and mail it too them first class with tracking if you want and just use paypal to make the shipping label cause a tracking number for something sent to someone is what they are looking for mostly when trying to figure out if someone is scamming someone else, so no shipment after a period of time, they get anxious and proactively react, before the buyer can complain.

I have seen many forum posts with this type of scam. It was apparently quite common around a year ago until the BTC community caught on to what was happening.

Even though paypal reversed the transaction you still have the possibility of getting your money back. 

Since you have her name and address you could possibly sue her in small claims court to get your money back.

I would not recommend contacting her Facebook friends/family as you do not know for sure that it was her (could have stolen her identity and/or used a hacked account) and you could possibly be committing libel against her.

this is the reason why i dont use e money wallets or e currency there is always a risk from the other side , as you dont know when is someone you deal with is gonna reverse the payment leaving you with nothing ,, so its better to deal face to face ,

easy,man
this is a forum for discuss!

They can and arbitrarily do anything they want, refunding the buyer, locking your Paypal account and funds, cancelling your other listings, invalidating past listings and scraping back those funds also, clawing back money out of your linked accounts, sending you to collections. Even with a signed delivery confirmation, a buyer that "disputes" only needs to return your (emptied) piece of paper with tracking to automatically win a dispute.

I was thinking about something else

What if we sold paper wallets containing 1BTC on eBay?

we shipp it with tracking and everything

could paypal put a halt on it then?

They made Ebay like ass...piss whatever...it is not just the same   
Ebay does not work for europeand nowadays this is the true. Where i live ( Bulgaria) i can deliver you almost everything from China with escrow for almost no fee, here we have a strong china community and they are delivering staight from china with ships via Black Sea so if anybody interested in china stock can PM me .

BR,

Gondel

They have it now, but didn't have it before.

LOL Then why does eBay has a category SPECIFICALLY for Virtual Currency?

Category: "Coins & Paper Money >> Virtual Currency" On the "enter item details" page, there is a selection box labeled "Type" and you can select Bitcoin, Litecoin, Feathercoin, etc.



Sorry for bumping a old thread.

Sue the buyer.

What's the best method to win a case like this?

That's not PayPal's fault. It's not their job to force someone to pay you if they don't want to. It's their job to make a payment from a willing sender. They also provide seller protection, but not for digital goods.