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May 13, 2015, 09:12:17 PM

But I guess we are all Marxists...  Cool

Yes. The cognitive dissonance is that most men would rather contemplate the system reforming than a totalitarian collapse into a NWO.

You all can't fathom a world where the collective can't reform and it literally euthanizes its citizens. And we are forced to fork away from it to survive.

I observe that most men seem to go into a binary mode, either collective reform or I am an island with my gold. They don't look for the synergies of the third and only realistic option at this juncture.
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May 13, 2015, 08:01:48 PM
You forgot that those on welfare are effectively government "employees" (both do no productive "work").

Social insurance is a state-run patrician that minimizes the impact of the plebeian on his or her plutocracy.
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May 13, 2015, 07:48:44 PM
if tx's don't have to be "put in blocks" in your altcoin, logic follows that there are no blocks.

Illogical.

i am not a programmer

Ah that likely explains your lapses in logic.

you couldn't have been more correct than me.

Rpietila can I believe probably atest I was buying 1000oz bars below $9 in 2008. For sure he knows I was selling him rounds I minted in the $9s.

btw, you seem to think gvts are going to continue to grow and take over the world.  here's a great chart from Calculated Risk that shows shrinkage of the public sector jobs under Obama and since the crisis.

Thanks for a great example of your myopia and cherry-picking data. This is why Armstrong is correct that those who don't correlate all the data will be blinded.

You forgot that those on welfare are effectively government "employees" (both do no productive "work").

As I warned you, that when we dig into specifics, it will be clear I am correct.




i also think this graph is fascinating.  it shows the US national murder rate heading steadily down since the 1990's.  i'd like to think that might be because of the internet and a spreading social consciousness worldwide as ppl link up.  that means there's hope for a better world perhaps.

Murder is only one type of crime. You must look at total crime and also don't forget to include corruption which is becoming more rampant.

The turn on the chart since the 2008 unemployment crisis began is because the citizens are now enslaved outside of prison in terms of being married to government welfare and long-term unemployment insurance.



also, incremental progress on curtailing the NSA.  and you diss the significance of Snowden?:

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/13/8603193/house-vote-nsa-spying?utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act

your doom and gloom is tiresome.  here's the greatest conspiracy of all:  is Anonymint a paid NSA shill?

Ah so I was spot-on in my assessment of the source of your cognitive dissonance.

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May 13, 2015, 06:55:16 PM
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You do realize gold and silver are THE only monies out there that are not “credit based” or derive their values via the credit markets

Gold and silver are no longer money. They are illiquid assets that will become incredibly more illiquid in the coming war of private assets.

The war on cash has been long and ongoing.  Bitcoin is as of now the most stalwart defense, but it is in its infancy.

But a profound paradigm shift is upon us because every human will be always connected with their smartphone, and thus physical cash dies.

And with this gold's black market dies too and becomes incredibly illiquid except for institutions that are in the back pocket of the system.
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May 13, 2015, 06:18:30 PM
Using a time warp wormhole. And I am serious.

Quote from: Prov. 29.1-2, _Darby Translation_. John Nelson Darby, 1890. Web. 13 May 2015. link=http://studybible.info/Darby/Proverbs%2029
¹He that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and without remedy. ²When the righteous increase, the people rejoice; but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
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May 13, 2015, 06:13:24 PM
Again I wrote we hope to fork away from the morass.

If you have a two hour, afternoon appointment scheduled at time 𝐴, and you do not depart for this appointment until time 2𝐴, can you arrive at this appointment early or, even, on time (without traveling backwards in time)?

Using a time warp wormhole. And I am serious.
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May 13, 2015, 06:01:56 PM
Again I wrote we hope to fork away from the morass.

If you have a two hour, afternoon appointment scheduled at time 𝐴, and you do not depart for this appointment until time 2𝐴, can you arrive at this appointment early or, even, on time (without traveling backwards in time)?
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May 13, 2015, 05:55:13 PM
My hypothesis is that the masses will fall into the NWO system (one world currency reserve nanny-state, dying industrial age morass), and the rest of us will fork off into a glorious Knowledge Age.

Your fundamental error lies in your use of future tense: past tense is more appropriate, for the proverbial “battle” is not merely “in the bag” but “already won.”

Again I wrote we hope to fork away from the morass.

Moving to barter or digging holes in the ground for gold would be a F.U.B.A.R. result.

I was writing about and expounding on Exter since 2005. You are preaching to someone who knows all your tricks because I used to be a silverbug.

Exter's pyramid will only be correct if we go into a lights out Dark Age, because if everything moves to gold, it won't stop there and then society moves to food as money. Strong moves into gold (as a hedge against government) only last for a few years. Severe moves into gold are when capital goes into hiding and society collapses entirely F.U.B.A.R..

Society will much prefer to be managed from a NWO top-down system than move to total collapse. The coming chaos is by design to beingbring the detractors to their knees and to gain the social will to adopt the one-world reserve compromise.

Armstrong opened my eyes to reality.


I'll switch to dash if theres no cash

You seem to forget that money has no value if at least a super minority doesn't also use it as money.

Also differentiate assets from money, primary by the liquidity (and slowing declining marginal utility[1]). Money is highly liquid while assets have variable (over class and time domains) liquidity.

The cognitive dissonance in this thread appears to be motivated by delusional hope because the reality is too depressing:

Yeah those who are thinking that defaults will weed out the corruption from the system and set us free are naive and myopic. This is the typical goldbug simpleton thought process.

Add to that the cognitive bias (foolish pride) psychology of being an early investor in Bitcoin.


[1] You could only store so many barrels of oil in your backyard before the utility would decline into a liability.


They exchange function for confidence, the real for the prettier illusion.

I suppose it is a risk...  If you are running such a really long con, even your successors might fall for it.
100 years is such a long time that anyone working at a CB has to believe that they are following tried and tested principles.
What saved the long con for so long was the 20th century population boom and technological revolutions.

Those two factors created wealth at a faster rate than the central banks could destroy it. So much so, that it wasn't apparent to anyone that the central banks were destroying wealth at all.

That no longer appears to still be the case.

Now they want to leverage our nerd productivity and use that to sustain the NWO. This is why they planted Bitcoin for us to drool over. And we are falling right into the trap.

I don't want to work for them as a defacto slave! But all my angst won't matter if we don't make a super minority for a money that isn't what they created.
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May 13, 2015, 05:45:43 PM
My hypothesis is that the masses will fall into the NWO system (one world currency reserve nanny-state, dying industrial age morass), and the rest of us will fork off into a glorious Knowledge Age.

Your fundamental error lies in your use of future tense: past tense is more appropriate, for the proverbial “battle” is not merely “in the bag” but “already won.”
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May 13, 2015, 05:35:14 PM
You are perceiving my competitive fire as gruff. Actually i am very nice and calm person when I am not competing. When I am competing, you can imagine Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. I have their demeanor when I am in competitive action mode.

Regardless of how swiftly one sprints, one cannot win a race after it has concluded: the competition has already ended, and a winner has already been decided.

My hypothesis is that the masses will fall into the NWO system (one world currency reserve nanny-state, dying industrial age morass), and the rest of us will fork off into a glorious Knowledge Age.
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May 13, 2015, 04:44:35 PM
Fantasizing about barter is loony. The youth will grab crypto and their smartphone before contemplating inefficient barter. Currency is a convenience (over barter). People only move to barter if there is no other choice. Ferfal confirms this from experience in Argentina's collapse.

Haha the man got a taste for research! Bad thing he keeps looking only for what confirms his bias!

We owe streets, markets, banks, industrialization, miniaturization, digitalization, customization to money. If we are now more than six billions is because of it. We owe it also the new caps for human organization and peaceful relationships. If anything allowed more the realization of "go and multiply" it was money. But this same money that allowed it all to be traded summoned political-economic excesses that in time were also reflected on individual level.

These excesses were first tracked where numbers allowed it, on economics. Acknowledged as cycles of boom and burst and with some controversy [1] we kept mending the system so it could scale up more until new longer cycles were created by easing credit obtainment. By now trillions of debt are waiting to be defaulted on states and citizens as the world prepare for radical movements. Of course, these are tracked excesses.

On political side much of these effects are ignored, as it relates to consciousness and identity that like memory the more you lose it less you notice. To mend the system on this front we also eased credit obtainment. The new highs of free human value crashed societal control over human distinction so glory, honor and titles rapidly lost its meanings. Also the irresponsibility that toke place promoted the spoiled childhood psychology and the branding of humans on neighborhoods where subjectivity values suffered devastation. I could also point out some rates like divorce, homicide, incarceration, drug addiction and corruption, but by now you already got the idea.
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As peer pressure faded and securitization met its technological limit. Force was used to insure that the basic information gaps the economy had to scale up would be overcome. As force joins the system warranting cancerous grades of growth, everything is drowned in it. Why would you keep track, why would you care to doubt, why would you use papers and vows if the violent monopolist is there for you. This goes from jailing the vulnerable to bail out the losers, rich and poor.
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The main point is that the world without humans is just stuff. Money should be, as it begin, the abstraction of human value. It is the projection of awareness into something in a way that awareness can be converted trough its projection into the awareness of greater goods. When money loses contact with the qualitative differentiation of human awareness it works mostly alienation.
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Force, Commoditization and Representation allowed values to scale up and won against the groups of solutions that didn't, turning it on a worldwide practice. Not by conspiracy every major country acts by these methods. However we are now heading to the future and it seems that the more fear and alienation is pumped on the system, more society trembles on the edge of the abyss of barbarism. On the low part of the society spectrum when lights turn out and the violent law leaves the streets rioting and looting takes place. On the high part of the society spectrum the educated, well related and powerful thinks twice about the interest of keeping the masses alive but little on how much more he deserves. This is not their fault. They have not the force needed to drag the system inertia. Of course, nothing is lost until taking as lost. Glimpses of a solution rains here and there before the whole system falls.
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So, a new system have to lessen the need of force, awake human beings of it reciprocal specialty and empower the people who cares for the time and matter they care about, down-top. Also, by the actual picture we also think that the changes made have to be sensed as some clear effects. It have to help communities by increasing security and empowering them with long forgotten credit, relationships and education not by top-down fomentation but by their mutual trusts, wishes and desires.
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Checks and Balances will migrate from systemic waste to where it truly deserves to be, weighting access VS development locally and non-locally, granting social capital is not eaten by Commoditization nor sound money is destroyed by Populism. It will transform the decision making in a way that every community will be able to teach and learn something about values increasing total awareness for each new transaction.
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May 13, 2015, 02:13:53 PM
You are perceiving my competitive fire as gruff. Actually i am very nice and calm person when I am not competing. When I am competing, you can imagine Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. I have their demeanor when I am in competitive action mode.

Regardless of how swiftly one sprints, one cannot win a race after it has concluded: the competition has already ended, and a winner has already been decided.
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May 13, 2015, 12:56:51 PM
I may have the ability to do this all myself to reach the IPO and/or mining launch.
that's the crux and my reason for writing.
If you truly think you can have your coin up and established by 2017 by yourself do whatever and secure yourself the biggest possible slice of the cake.
The important thing is that the cake is baked in time.
Whatever you decide, good luck and fruitfull coding.
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May 13, 2015, 01:18:13 AM
Same sentiments to you to OROBTC. You are not really irking me. This is a battle with myself and need to focus it there and not externally. In that respect, your criticism is accurate. I guess I've been behaving like a retired Michael Jordan who wishes he could still do, but instead can only talk and thus frustrates himself on people are not doing what he used to be able to do. Fortunately I think I can still do with my M.S. waning.

We would get along fine if I was relaxing in West Texas as I used to do and striking up chitchats with anyone.
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May 12, 2015, 11:35:36 PM
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EDIT: I meant no offense.

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Then take care TPTB, I wish you all the very best.  Good luck!

Our world NEEDS the very best.  So, we all hope that your work reaches the light of the day.

I'll irk you no more.  
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May 12, 2015, 11:21:23 PM
Despite his gruff exterior,

Because it appears you lack understanding of technical aspects and of the fundamental change coming, I find I am slightly annoyed (or just realizing I need to move on) by your nonchalant attitude.

You ask me to communicate in email and I tell you it is not secure and the NSA can record everything. I offered a simple website for encrypted chat, and seems that is too much effort for you. Any way no bad feelings. I like you as a person. Just trying to get a job done pronto and efficiently.

I see a "code red alert" that needs a Herculian effort and focus. I am deprioritizing the lazy or people who think life is like a beach. I love to relax and go to the beach, but this is not the right time to do that.

In short, I am very high strung right now and will remain so until I achieve my goals. Then I will relax. I am a very goal oriented and extremely competitive person. When I focus on something, I will win with very last ounce of my effort even I don't sleep for days on end.

You are perceiving my competitive fire as gruff. Actually i am very nice and calm person when I am not competing. When I am competing, you can imagine Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. I have their demeanor when I am in competitive action mode.

And I am not particularly thrilled to have Marxists as investors who think my work is only a temporary need to address an overshoot of the current socialism. Ideally I want investors who truly believe in decentralization as the wave of the Knowledge Age upon us.

Alas, he offers few practical solutions (like how to get income, etc.).  Still, all of his knowledge goes into my mental hopper each day now.  Highly recommended.

There is no way to get passive income any more. I am telling you either you learn to change, or you slowly burn to destitute over the next 2 decades.

Everything is changing.

I offered you the investment of a lifetime and you snubbed it. My goal now is that you will tell your grandchildren you could have invested and been a $multi-millionaire.

Any way, i don't need any more. I need to move forward. This may be my last reply.
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May 12, 2015, 11:10:31 PM
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The best developers don't work for peanuts nor silly badges. We have many other more lucrative offers where we have more equity stake, control, and motivation.
Startup founders (sometimes) do.

They do (and I have done several times) because they are getting equity (e.g. stock options or in this case coins). Note I have been rich in the past. I am financially strained due to several years of declining productivity and poor planning due in hindsight to suffering from Multiple Sclerosis and not knowing what it was I was suffering from. Now that I have a cure underway (high dose vitamin D3), my former capabilities are returning. M.S. attacks the brain.

I may have the ability to do this all myself to reach the IPO and/or mining launch.

I am not going after the IPO investors right now. I would of course have to make a convincing public display if so.

I might take on some seed investors who trust me, because I want their support for the coin and a little cash cushion might be wise to insure I don't fail due to some financial emergency interim.

I don't think any devs will work with me until the coin is released into open source and they see already the momentum. Devs are notoriously fickle.
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May 12, 2015, 06:16:26 PM
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Despite his gruff exterior, I have to hand TPTB a big "+ 1" for making Armstrong better known to or community.

Like Armstrong or not, his breadth of history and his BROAD financial knowledge in general is very hard to beat.

He has a free blog, now part of my daily reading:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/armstrong_economics_blog


Alas, he offers few practical solutions (like how to get income, etc.).  Still, all of his knowledge goes into my mental hopper each day now.  Highly recommended.
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May 12, 2015, 01:28:25 PM
this might be terribly naive but coudn't you show some trustet (and NDAd) (altcoin)dev(s) for free?
Could you reword that so I can clearly comprehend?
Are you suggesting I produce a description of what I want to work on that can be seen after committing to a NDA?
basically yes. I imagine getting some reputable coder to say "I saw his idea, it's a really new way of thinking and an interesting concept" to be an important step.
remember it's the first follower that turns a lone nutjob into a leader
Edit: seems you are asking if I can reveal in the public some trusted devs who will work with me?
not what I meant to say but seems to be the next logical step after see above
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The best developers don't work for peanuts nor silly badges. We have many other more lucrative offers where we have more equity stake, control, and motivation.
Startup founders (sometimes) do. Unlike them you won't end up owning the company (and probably neither a stash as big as satoshis) but you will have very valuable knowledge that should make you filthy rich if you do so desire.
What I've said doesn't solve any funding prolems by itself but maybe getting a first endorsement might give that first impulse to get everything going1


1 disclaimer: I am neither rich nor an experienced investor and therefore have no idea how those people think. Though if I were rich and thought it reasonably likely that your idea is as good as you claim I would thow a few k your way just for the promise for a few hours of your time at a time of my choosing.
also if I should ever use your coin I pledge to send you .2% off all transactions made with it within 10 years of release.
I'm cheap I know. anybody else as cheap?
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May 12, 2015, 01:41:31 AM
If the freedom fighters have the tools to work with, they can reform and resist the totalitarianism which can open other avenues such as possibly making gold still viable.

Would your “freedom fighters” have their own global telecommunications network? (Big-Telecom probably isn’t too keen on helping to end the global, undeclared plutocracy [i.e., your “the totalitarianism”] whereto it is a party.)
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