Topic: Edited: China Subforums - Admin Probably Will Be Arrested & Transfered To China (Read 443 times)
October 19, 2023, 04:15:16 PM
I don't think this has anything to do with any admin here or the china subforum, here is a community and China has no legal power over here its left for them to ban their users and not to prosecute any admin or mod that is working in this forum, as I can see I think there were other countries that was ban from using bitcoin and not bitcointalk, yet their citizens were activity promoting bitcoin making use of this forum.. For example we Nigerians. There were sometimes our government sat a restriction not to transaction or associates our local bank account with bitcoin and cryptocurrency, we all obeyed and started using p2p that doesn't mean that we that are active here are being penalized or prosecute for being active and making use of the forum here.
October 19, 2023, 12:32:47 PM
China as the state can ask to transfer persons from other countries - USA, India, Russia etc. in criminal cases, it depends from international agreements.
Oh, c'mon. I know the Chinese government is pretty damn harsh, but there's no way in hell they're going to extradite any native Chinese who might be living in other countries because they're using a discussion forum about bitcoin. There's insanity, and then there's that hypothetical situation. It's never going to happen.Bitcointalk is banned in Russia. Do you know that?
But I don't think the Russian authorities are nearly as strict about enforcing their ban, and I think they allow much more freedom of expression than China does (but I could be mistaken). In any case, my point is that they're two different countries so it's not exactly apples to apples.I am pretty convinced both him and badecker are writing speculative fantasy as truth which is very hard to do. Hey Joeyp whats next.
An AI-generated large language model post of how Bitcointalk servers are responsible for carbon monoxide emission and should be switched off?
October 19, 2023, 07:58:24 AM
I am pretty convinced both him and badecker are writing speculative fantasy as truth which is very hard to do. Hey Joeyp whats next.
An AI-generated large language model post of how Bitcointalk servers are responsible for carbon monoxide emission and should be switched off?
October 19, 2023, 01:56:57 AM
Each day various countries request persons in other countries to be arrested and transfered. It depends from various agreements and laws. There is no place for laugh - ask any lawyer.
All these cases are for actual criminal acts (or accusation of it) not for something as arbitrary and laughable as "discussing Bitcoin on a forum". Not to mention that Bitcoin is not banned in China in the way you think it is; mining bitcoin, CEXes that were laundering money with 0 fee, ICOs, etc. are banned.Besides, there is a higher chance that US arrests theymos like they did BurtW than there is China arresting the Chinese board's moderator.
October 19, 2023, 12:14:53 AM
But is it possible? I don't know if theymos or any other admin's real information is exposed anywhere inside or outside the forum. Back in the day, Bitcoin and Silkroad, everything was very new. Maybe nobody thought exposing their identity could be that serious! Who would have thought Ross would get a sentence that is unimaginable? But nowadays, everyone is pretty concerned about their identity and privacy. I'm sure administrators have hidden their real and virtual identities very well. How can China or the USA arrest you if they don't know who theymos is? It doesn't make sense. Or maybe I am wrong. I don't know how admins and moderators maintain their identities. But I know one thing they are not fool enough to exposing their own identity. They knows very well the risk involved.
There's no proof, but I'm sure every people ever leave their identity somewhere, stay anonymous when you was born is almost impossible. They might not share their identity to unknown sites or people, but they may share to someone they trust. IIRC the administrator did help the court to catch Ross, but this is nothing surprised because this forum is adopting US laws. Quote from: https://bitcointalk.org/privacy.php
Bitcointalk.org is in US jurisdiction, and is subject to US subpoenas, wiretap orders, preservation orders (which would negate the above retention rules), and similar. Furthermore, our service providers could also be subject to similar orders without our knowledge. Note that we consider PMs to require a warrant in order to be released.
October 18, 2023, 11:57:31 PM
Very funny this Joeyp troll. Next time I hope he opens a thread saying that Satoshi will probably be arrested and extradited to China. 
With the time I've been on the forum I've noticed that the moderators, I guess following orders from theymos, are quite respectful with criticism, even if it's a criticism as poor as this one. What is clear is that the OP's argument has a false basis. China is not even going to bother to send a subpoena to arrest theymos, if anything it will try to control access for its citizens, as has been said. The fact that there is a Chinese sub-forum means nothing, as it can be frequented by millions of Chinese living in other countries where bitcoin is legal and access to bitcointalk is legal.
Or is the Chinese government going to arrest and extradite the leaders of the other countries where Chinese citizens live, and where bitcoin and access to bitcointalk are legal? It does not make sense.
OP, do you challenge yourself to write most absurd thread on Meta board? This thread is absurd even compared with your other threads.
With the time I've been on the forum I've noticed that the moderators, I guess following orders from theymos, are quite respectful with criticism, even if it's a criticism as poor as this one. What is clear is that the OP's argument has a false basis. China is not even going to bother to send a subpoena to arrest theymos, if anything it will try to control access for its citizens, as has been said. The fact that there is a Chinese sub-forum means nothing, as it can be frequented by millions of Chinese living in other countries where bitcoin is legal and access to bitcointalk is legal.
Or is the Chinese government going to arrest and extradite the leaders of the other countries where Chinese citizens live, and where bitcoin and access to bitcointalk are legal? It does not make sense.
I am eagerly awaiting his next thread. They have brilliantly written if they are acting.
I am pretty convinced both him and badecker are writing speculative fantasy as truth which is very hard to do. Hey Joeyp whats next.
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October 18, 2023, 11:45:25 PM
Very funny this Joeyp troll. Next time I hope he opens a thread saying that Satoshi will probably be arrested and extradited to China.
With the time I've been on the forum I've noticed that the moderators, I guess following orders from theymos, are quite respectful with criticism, even if it's a criticism as poor as this one. What is clear is that the OP's argument has a false basis. China is not even going to bother to send a subpoena to arrest theymos, if anything it will try to control access for its citizens, as has been said. The fact that there is a Chinese sub-forum means nothing, as it can be frequented by millions of Chinese living in other countries where bitcoin is legal and access to bitcointalk is legal.
Or is the Chinese government going to arrest and extradite the leaders of the other countries where Chinese citizens live, and where bitcoin and access to bitcointalk are legal? It does not make sense.
OP, do you challenge yourself to write most absurd thread on Meta board? This thread is absurd even compared with your other threads.
With the time I've been on the forum I've noticed that the moderators, I guess following orders from theymos, are quite respectful with criticism, even if it's a criticism as poor as this one. What is clear is that the OP's argument has a false basis. China is not even going to bother to send a subpoena to arrest theymos, if anything it will try to control access for its citizens, as has been said. The fact that there is a Chinese sub-forum means nothing, as it can be frequented by millions of Chinese living in other countries where bitcoin is legal and access to bitcointalk is legal.
Or is the Chinese government going to arrest and extradite the leaders of the other countries where Chinese citizens live, and where bitcoin and access to bitcointalk are legal? It does not make sense.
October 18, 2023, 06:40:21 PM
It's theymos forum. If theymos doesn't allow, the show is over. Did theymos tell you or anywhere publicly, by the way?
"It's theymos forum" Since when? He is not the first admin who passed the legacy of of managing/administer the forum, so why should he won't allow another admin to fully control if he can't do it anymore, it doesn't make sense. And there's no need to for him to tell it, it's a nature of a community forum. 
October 18, 2023, 05:04:57 PM
Possible crime type - Bitcoin promoting to China people. What do you think ?
China can say that Bitcointalk China subforums, which promote Bitcoin are not legal in their country and therefore have wide impact on China in unlegal way, which can be the crime according to Chinese criminal law.
China as the state can ask to transfer persons from other countries in criminal cases, it depends from international agreements and local Chinese criminal law. USA for example, do not have direct extradition agreement with China, but can extradite case by case.
In some cases based on residence country law, persons are not transfered, but that's exception. Each year there are hundreds of such cases between countries in the world.
China is also Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist republic, so different political system, see here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China.
What Is Extradition? Which countries have extradition treaties with the United States? - https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-extradition
having a Chinese local board on a forum does not mean the forum promotes Bitcoin to the Chinese people. they can claim that the forum "promotes" Bitcoin to the Chinese people all they want but that doesn't mean it is true nor does the country where the forum is based would go along with what China wants. China can say that Bitcointalk China subforums, which promote Bitcoin are not legal in their country and therefore have wide impact on China in unlegal way, which can be the crime according to Chinese criminal law.
China as the state can ask to transfer persons from other countries in criminal cases, it depends from international agreements and local Chinese criminal law. USA for example, do not have direct extradition agreement with China, but can extradite case by case.
In some cases based on residence country law, persons are not transfered, but that's exception. Each year there are hundreds of such cases between countries in the world.
China is also Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist republic, so different political system, see here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China.
What Is Extradition? Which countries have extradition treaties with the United States? - https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-extradition
anyway, I am really curious as I have said before in my previous post on this thread, I've seen you targeting the admins in the threads you have created before, would you mind answering this, what is it exactly that you want from them?
October 18, 2023, 04:14:10 PM
The local board of Chinese has nothing do with the people of China as anyone who knows Chinese language can take part in that local board. The Chinese authorities won't be able to take any actions against the people who aren't living in China because there are so many people in the world who speak Chinese language and they aren't living in China.
The Bitcointalk forum has nothing that's against Chinese government and I don't think that China will ever take any actions against the admins whatsoever. I don't know why people try to spread fake rumors that has no evidence at all. The forum admin has nothing to do with China and Chinese people or Chinese government and there won't be any action against him/them from Chinese government or anyone else at all.
The Chinese local board is for those people who speak Chinese language and that's all. It has nothing to do with the people of China or Government of China, and I'm more than sure that Chinese authorities don't really care about the Bitcointalk Chinese local board and I believe that OP created this thread in order to get some attention.
The Bitcointalk forum has nothing that's against Chinese government and I don't think that China will ever take any actions against the admins whatsoever. I don't know why people try to spread fake rumors that has no evidence at all. The forum admin has nothing to do with China and Chinese people or Chinese government and there won't be any action against him/them from Chinese government or anyone else at all.
The Chinese local board is for those people who speak Chinese language and that's all. It has nothing to do with the people of China or Government of China, and I'm more than sure that Chinese authorities don't really care about the Bitcointalk Chinese local board and I believe that OP created this thread in order to get some attention.
October 18, 2023, 04:02:49 PM
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There is no place for laugh - ask any lawyer.
There is no place for laugh - ask any lawyer.
I just did. He laughed out loud at your insinuations.
October 18, 2023, 01:30:09 PM
China as the state can ask to transfer persons from other countries - USA, India, Russia etc. in criminal cases, it depends from international agreements.
And do Chinese people only live in Chinese jurisdictions all their lives and are only Chinese people able to speak Chinese?Local board classification is linguistically based, not nationality or jurisdictional.
October 18, 2023, 12:19:14 PM
There are local China subforums in Bitcointalk and Bitcoin have total ban in China, so forum admin probably will be arrested and transfered to China in future. Possible crime type - Bitcoin promoting for China people. What do you think ?
OP, do you challenge yourself to write most absurd thread on Meta board? This thread is absurd even compared with your other threads.
China as the state can ask to transfer persons from other countries - USA, India, Russia etc. in criminal cases, it depends from international agreements and local Chinese criminal law.
Other country would just laugh at request of arrest & transfer admin of Bitcointalk.
I agree with this 100% Joeyp is a speculative fiction writer practicing his craft I wonder if his entire plan it to out badecker at badeckering.
I don't know if it can be done but I now look forward to what new and wild idea Joeyp will do next.
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October 18, 2023, 11:35:15 AM
Even if theymos got ditched in china this forum will still stands, won't get shutdown, and another admin will be placed.
That's not exactly true. It's not a public property. It's theymos forum. If theymos doesn't allow, the show is over. Did theymos tell you or anywhere publicly, by the way? 
October 18, 2023, 11:34:23 AM
That's really a weak reason if you think the admin will be arrested due to having China subforum.
Back in the old days, there was an anonymous marketplace: Silk Road where you can freely to sell any illegal stuffs e.g. drug, weapon, human etc. Silk Road's founder aka Ross Ulbricht was been arrested because the police can find his real identity through this forum. That was really serious, but the Admin wasn't arrested.
Back in the old days, there was an anonymous marketplace: Silk Road where you can freely to sell any illegal stuffs e.g. drug, weapon, human etc. Silk Road's founder aka Ross Ulbricht was been arrested because the police can find his real identity through this forum. That was really serious, but the Admin wasn't arrested.
But is it possible? I don't know if theymos or any other admin's real information is exposed anywhere inside or outside the forum. Back in the day, Bitcoin and Silkroad, everything was very new. Maybe nobody thought exposing their identity could be that serious! Who would have thought Ross would get a sentence that is unimaginable? But nowadays, everyone is pretty concerned about their identity and privacy. I'm sure administrators have hidden their real and virtual identities very well. How can China or the USA arrest you if they don't know who theymos is? It doesn't make sense. Or maybe I am wrong. I don't know how admins and moderators maintain their identities. But I know one thing they are not fool enough to exposing their own identity. They knows very well the risk involved.
Here is the story regarding the Silkroad case. It contains all the facts and links to the case. I'm attaching the thread in case anyone wants to read it. Silk Road Case: The Real, Untold Story. Is Karpelès Satoshi or DPR?
October 18, 2023, 11:32:20 AM
The Chinese government can't arrest anyone here because the forum is under US jurisdiction. But it can try to restrict access to its citizens, as the Russian government has done by restricting its citizens' access to the forum.
China as the state can ask to transfer persons from other countries - USA, India, Russia etc. in criminal cases, it depends from international agreements. We have a lot of Chinese in our country and some of them are investors and promoters of Cryptocurrency and they are free to go back to China without any issue at all, we have POGOs here run by Chinese and they accept Cryptocurrency, so what's really the issue here.
This is another nonsense topic by OP but I hope we have enlightened him on his shortcomings.
October 18, 2023, 10:17:25 AM
OP, do you challenge yourself to write most absurd thread on Meta board? This thread is absurd even compared with your other threads.
I would say that he is doing very well, but if he continues like this, I believe that there is still room for him to surpass himself. The only question is whether the OP is a troll, or if he really has serious problems with understanding the world around him.
Other country would just laugh at request of arrest & transfer admin of Bitcointalk.
Especially because of the "crime" the OP is talking about - because in that case China should seek the extradition of millions of people who criticize them or even enable their residents to bypass the Chinese firewall when it comes to the internet.
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October 18, 2023, 10:01:19 AM
Are you so bored that you have nothing better to do than make these type of nonsense topicr, or you simply don't have any other weay to contribute this forum?
Each day various countries request persons in other countries to be arrested and transfered. It depends from various agreements and laws. There is no place for laugh - ask any lawyer.
So I guess you asked a lawyer about this and he told you that admins in China subforum will get arrested? Yeah right. October 18, 2023, 10:00:10 AM
That's really a weak reason if you think the admin will be arrested due to having China subforum.
Back in the old days, there was an anonymous marketplace: Silk Road where you can freely to sell any illegal stuffs e.g. drug, weapon, human etc. Silk Road's founder aka Ross Ulbricht was been arrested because the police can find his real identity through this forum. That was really serious, but the Admin wasn't arrested.
Back in the old days, there was an anonymous marketplace: Silk Road where you can freely to sell any illegal stuffs e.g. drug, weapon, human etc. Silk Road's founder aka Ross Ulbricht was been arrested because the police can find his real identity through this forum. That was really serious, but the Admin wasn't arrested.
October 18, 2023, 09:54:42 AM
There are local China subforums in Bitcointalk and Bitcoin have total ban in China, so forum admin probably will be arrested and transfered to China in future.
Bitcoin is prohibited in China, ok it's fine for other nations that are not China and not under Chinese government regulation.There are many nations globally and not many of them have extradition agreement with Chinese government. Without an extradition agreement, a national government will not arrest a person and extradite him to China.
China banned Bitcoin mining and caused a Great Hash rate migration to other nations like Iran, USA, Canada but do you read any news or report that Chinese people were arrested because of Bitcoin?
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