Topic: Education is a right or is more like a priveledge (Read 2170 times)

On the issue of the poor having access to free education (actually, for basic education it's the poor and the rich, but that will have to end in time, because of demographic problems) paid by society:

Some already wrote that society has every thing to earn with that. Many poor people are bright people, having them working on construction means that society is not taking advantage of their best elements. A society based on merit can only operate with free education for the poor. An economy not based on merit won't be an efficient economy. Think about medieval economy, where the best were excluded from access to some professions based on their birth.

But this is only the tip of the iceberg, there are other aspects:
1) Moral issues (solidarity with the poor)
2) Justice issues (about equality of opportunities and limiting ending inequalities that can even affect democracy)
3) Income issues: what was the role of society on the income you got? On infrastructure, on all the ideas and instruments society made for you that allowed you to get your income...Why shouldn't society get its share on your income? Paying taxes is extortion or slavery as Nozick said? Think twice.
4) Political issues: and these are the decisive ones. Everybody votes and the majority of voters are poor or median income: they decided they want to have the support of the richer on social issues. You don't agree with the other 3 criteria? They couldn't care less. The majority will send the State to take your house if you don't pay taxes and get caught.

Education is a right.

You can get education for free if you can't pay it, including college. But not free access to the best private universities. That is indeed a privilege.
 

IMO depends on the age. If you are talking about school than it's a right but as for college and Univesity it's a priveledge

I get free education from the internet.

Yes its a right but you still have to pay for it, thatswhat i dont understand.
And the best schools in the world are also the most expensive.
Look at Harvard it's like the most expensive school in the world.
Only rich parents can pay that or you will have to get a scholarship.

Education is inevitable, unless you're in a sensory deprivation chamber.

If you're talking about formal schooling, then no one has the obligation to provide it, although it is your right to seek it.

We already have a lot of over educated unemployed bump sitting at home reading this forum.

To a degree. It's just the bar will be raised for society as a whole. But since a greater percentage of the population will be better educated and more productive, society is raised up as a whole. And then we learn more, and we learn how to educate better. Someday kids in grade 1 who are learning addition right now will instead be learning devision, and graduate school engineering will be taught in high school. And the cycle can continue. Imagine what the individual can do with more knowledge. Then imagine that a country will be like if everyone had that additional knowledge.

Face it, some children can not be learned nothing. If you really care, do what a large group of liberal donators do, donate to planned parenthood. While they get a huge amount of government funding, none of it can be used for abortion services. that service is strictly donor based, so please contribute.  So far this year, they have only received enough money to perform 97,000,000 abortions over the next two years.

Socialized education should only be supported so far. In most states, it is through high School Graduation, or age 18. After that, get a job, get a scholarship or get a loan.also unlike a human, a dolphin's brain is structured so that only half sleeps at a time, allowing the alert half to maintain its breathing, and keep it surfacing for air. No additional socially funded education needed.

it should be a right, but then nobody would give a shit if you were educated because everyone would be.

Then there would have to be some extra special school after that to separate the wheat from the chafe.

Then after everyone gets the right to that shit, then another even more articular level would be introduced.

The end result is that everyone spends their entire lives in school and nobody can afford to buy a sports car at 40.

We need hardcore education finance reform, IMO that should have come before healthcare (insurance) reform. The future leaders of this country are largely indentured servants to the banking system. I'm pretty conservative fiscally and student loans really disgust me. I don't think education (past high school) is a right. I do think student loan interest shouldn't accrue until after graduation and it should be tied to the 10 year treasure note rate.

You're using an exception to prove the rule here. Part of the problem with our education system is tuition. Should tuition to the engineering program of a university cost as much as a Philosophy degree? Should everyone have free access to engineering degrees (because they're self serving) and the liberal arts degrees cost more above that?

All of the Mars rover programs were developed and are run by the JPL, which is a devision of the California Institute of Technology, a private university.

Just about all of them have PhD's. Many of them from CIT.
Example: http://marsrover.nasa.gov/people/

Bottom line is if you want a country to compete with the rest of the world, you need education as a right. It's one of the very few self-serving rights you give someone.

Fact: Primary rocket engines on the Apollo class rocket that launched the Rover to Mars were obtained from Russia.

Fact: you can build one hell of a car, but without having wheels and tires, it might as well be be a 1972 Chevy pickup up on blocks in someones back yard.

I think its more like a priveledge because rich people can send there kids to the best schools in the world.
Its more like a elite club of kids get the best education possible, in the human mind.
And the lower education is just to prepare you for a shitty job that would never make you rich.
I think they should change the way education is given, now only kids who can obey and stay put for a few hours to learn, can do a little better education.
So you can do a better job with better pay.
Everyone should learn and earn the same in the world.

Fact: mars rover program was developed, engineered and operated by 8th grade dropouts.

I see it as a privilege. Not everyone's lucky but that's just how things are.

Privilege. I don't believe in rights beyond physical integrity and freedom.