Topic: Education is a right or is more like a priveledge - page 2. (Read 2170 times)

NASA has no space capabilities anymore. While they still have a huge budget, they are dependent on Russia for primary stage lift rockets. Absent those, the largest vehicle they can fly is a paper airplane off the roof of the shuttle assembly building...

 I am sure all those engineers involved with the appollo missions dropped out of middle school.

Not really. Many companies seek great minds out of high schools for intern programs related to specific research they are conducting and to introduce them to how things are done in the real world, before their young minds are polluted by the institutional professors, and to guide them toward schools and programs that will foster and not smother their individuality.

So SOME college (and colleges) may be critical to advancing science. Most are not. So, if you receive a BS in chemistry from say, Central Florida State, (not to pick on that institution specifically) Your use of your degree may involve the interaction of potato molecules when immersed in vegetable oil heated to a temperature of 350 degrees. In a continuing lab experiment. Day after day

Actually college is critical to advancing science.

As Ron Paul has stated many times in regards to anything government provides, you do not have the right to somebody elses property, when you support government funded programs you are always stealing a portion of somebodies wealth in order to pay for it and it's the equivalent of a thief justifying stealing from somebody and of course the people who support this kind of thing almost always use the same kind of self-convincing logic.

If you want to get public programs up and running it should be done through voluntary funding, not emotional blackmail and extortion, I would never however support mandatory education in my life because it's a fucking joke though, you can't force somebody to learn something when they don't want to learn. As a personal example I have just recently learned how to refine silver and the steps look very easy! It's just a matter of doing it safely since you're dealing with Nitric Acid, free services can be done on a voluntary basis and I think the idea that people think you need to point guns at people to get anything done speaks a lot about how little they trust fellow human beings.

Here's the tutorial I found if anyone is interested, be warned, it is long but it explains everything really well: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread810904/pg1

So basically the answer is:

1) Quit college. It's overrated and you can find everything you ever needed to know on Youtube if you can keep from being distracted by the funny animal videos.

2) Start a business in your garage.

Make sense?

If college was the only answer to a job and the advancement of science, business and the arts, we would still be using huge tube populated computing devices, carbon paper for copies, and watching reruns of 'Father Knows Best".

Or not go to college and be a jobless pedarist pillhead imbecile.

...Which is why Youtube instructional videos exist. Do a really good job of it and you don't have to spend all day standing in front of a classroom.

A right is an excuse to steal from others (unless it's property rights, more aptly named "property".)  If your "right" involves forcing people to do anything against their will, you have to make a moral decision:

1. "People have the right to not be stolen from, attacked, or enslaved."
2. "People have the right to steal, attack, and enslave for 'social good', the definition of which is at public discretion."

So, how is a "right" to education theft?  Well, it revolves around either of these two concepts:

A. Teachers should work for free
B. Society should be forced to pay teachers

To have a right to education means people will become educated at any cost; it's like saying you have a right to own a house, the economy doesn't respond to this whatsoever, it doesn't mean anything except for an intent to steal from home-owners or from the public to build everyone a home at the taxpayer's cost.  There is no possible way to have a "right" to a house which doesn't involve forcing individuals of a market to act in a different way with the threat of violence.  We must either mug the teachers or the public to pay for a person's "right" to education, and since mugging teachers severely cuts the amount of teachers we'll have in an economy, we typically opt for the 2nd option, as it's more subtle; people don't notice a few dollars and cents added and taken from their purchases and income, though it amounts of a very big number over time.  This way, we can overpay for really awful schools and allow colleges to overcharge several times for tuition just so we can work at a substandard job.

But never to fear: people who advocate a right to education can solve this problem simply!  All they must do is become teachers and give away classes themselves, thereby ensuring anyone who wants an education can receive one; for some reason, I sincerely doubt anyone who actually thinks this way is willing to adhere to their principles.  Meanwhile, I'll be waiting for the right to a civil society...

I sincerely hate the idea of living in a society in which most people are uneducated. However, do not confuse the ability to memorize facts with the ability to know what to do with them. I say that enough education to teach you skills that makes you employable should be a right (if only because I believe that everybody should have the right to opportunity for useful employment -- "opportunity" being the key word) but the ability to get into an Ivy League school is a privilege.

It's a privilege, because most often it depends on your birthplace. If you're born in South Korea, you'll get excellent education, but you won't get much if your birthplace is in Tanzania.

      Educational qualifications are the currency of the job market. I think this is an inefficient means of allocating human resources. Some of the cleverest most adaptable and creative individuals I have ever met have very few qualifications.

   You can't buy a job, but you can buy an education - and that is an inefficient way of going about things.


Regarding rights/privileges - I'm not sure of the difference so I can't answer that question. But I will say that learning is fundamental to human beings - the question should be to what extent is that natural capacity (to learn) fostered/encouraged - and to what degree is it stifled ?

   Read a great book once - "Teach Your Own", by John Holt. He said - "Which is the smarter ? The elephant fending for itself in the jungle, or the elephant that has been taught to jump through hoops in the circus?"

   Educational establishment places too much emphasis on jumping thru hoops IMHO.

Ivan Illich is interesting too in regard education.

Have to agree here.

Public education is more like a "welfare" to teachers and administrators than it serves the purpose of educating the young.


 

Associates level education is currently an investment that will soon be a right, provided through necessity.

Bachelors level education and beyond is currently and for the foreseeable future will remain an investment. A poor investment will yield poor results, results may vary, bla bla.

Investments are privilege, and state funding is the equivalent of a right. I don't think you will ever see the enshrining of rights to a specific education.

Most people (who choose to) can read faster than a teacher/professor can speak. I recognize that in some circumstances and under certain paths, institutionalized education needs to be continued past the eight grade, high school, and even into post graduate classes.

However, many people do not need it.

While I am not a welder by trade, I learned basic welding in 8th grade. I still weld. I continue to learn about the newest trends in welding by reading and watching videos produced by expert welders.

It costs me nothing other than an internet connection. I can throw a mean tight bead, that any production welding shop would be proud to present to their clients.

Education is really up to the individual

Force a man to undergo 12 years of public education and incentivize him squander another half a decade of his life obtaining a BA and he may reach his mid-20s never having learned to fish.

The take home point: regarding education as a right != "teaching a man to fish."

Well that simply isnt true, the unemployment rate for people with degrees is much lower than high school only. Underemployment is certainly an important issue, especially the first couple of years after the recession. But even then you are still better off with a degree for the most part.

Education should never be considered a privilege. Education is a right that should be promised to every single man and woman in this world

the education is still shitty even if you pay for it

bunch of fucking lies

take economics for example

you can do a phd in that shit, and it is all based on fundamentals which are complete

science and medicine is the same shit, lobbyists and shills encouraged to release fakescience, doctors peddling poison pills etc