Topic: Efudd Z-Series Fuddware 2.3 -Z11/Z11e/Z11j/Z9/Mini - page 17. (Read 45536 times)

PM me and we can discuss.
I have one with 2 psu running 1 apw3 on 2 boards and 1 1200w server psu on the third one.
Also i had a buddy to enable ssh onto my z11.
THanks

Is anyone getting more than 142kSol out of their Z11 on average? I am wondering if the auto-tuning feature is not actually auto-limiting. I cannot confirm this at the moment from a reverse engineering perspective as I am away from my equipment. It's just a hypothesis since I have not heard of anyone with more than 142kSol yet.....

@iceman2k2 - Yes, SSH is disabled. Any image will have to be installed from SD card for now. I agree with you on power. I'm hoping to be able to test as soon as I can get things lined up with a couple of individuals.

Thank you,

Jason

Hey Jason,
Z11 are ssh disabled as the s15.
As I understood you wanna install your firmware via SD?
Also you have to consider power supply constraints as it uses 1450w stock. For over a 2000w at least PSU would be necessary.

Thanks

If someone has A) teamviewer and/or B) (preferred) knowledge enough to create an SSH/web port forward AND C) knowledge enough to do a SD card based install on a Z11, I've got an image to start testing with and see what these things can do.

PM me A and C or B and C with a Z11 are true.

Thank you,

Jason

Folk,

Quick update on the Z11 -- at this point in time, I think I'm going to wait and see what happens with the Z11s as they arrive before deciding on releasing a firmware.

Here is what i know so far:

The stock configuration file defaults to 718mhz (turbo mode).
If that is not specified, it defaults to 681Mhz (Balance mode).

It looks like in both cases, there is an attempt to auto-tune the frequency. It's a little hard to tell what is going on without seeing a running system yet, however.

It does not look like the user can specify a frequency at all -- it is ignored.

Voltage appears controllable, although not exposed to the user.

As your Z11s arrive, I would be interested in seeing logs from the unit via PM and/or teamviewer sessions. If there is a need, I will remove the limits and given an opportunity, I will test other possibilities with the controls... I do not have a unit coming to me this time, however.

It may be that the factory firmware provides you what you'll need... if it doesn't, I will work to do something about it.

Thank you,

Jason

Yes.

https://www.nicehash.com/miner/3CJgXokLQrRCQcEoftS7MbPDSXhXpX6P55
This is the power of the author of the virus that reconfigures the miners to your account in the Nicehash?

if paid by credit card file a reverse charge under the condition that the sellers intent was to fraud you and you will more then likely get your money back and get to keep the miners.

Thanks Jason for this info, I bought a couple of z9minis off Aliexpress, and they have this malware issue. After running for several days, reconfigured to https://www.nicehash.com/miner/3CJgXokLQrRCQcEoftS7MbPDSXhXpX6P55 and stole my hashing power.

regards
Graeme

I will strip the board down later today and get some pictures...It should take me a couple hours or so to do it.

Folk,

First batch of Z11s have shipped as of today: https://blog.bitmain.com/en/z11-shipping/2019-04-11.html

-j

Yes -- that's actually how the product works even with the rest of the power plugged in. During initialization of a hashboard, DC is toggled on. When hashing stops, DC is toggled off. And yeah, I'm sure there is some vampire current somewhere, but I wouldn't expect anything major.

I've almost got my lab rebuilt (physical move) and can start working on the hardware RE again.

-j

Jason would a picture of the top and bottom trace lines help you from a v9/z9 controller. I have a bad one and if it will I can strip it down to the copper traces. There more then likely is a middle layer too but I could only get that if I shave off the top carefully

Also I don't know if you know or not but the pic should power up and take commands from the controller without the 12v being plugged into the hashboard. The v9 I am playing with will initialize everything but the asic power without the hashboard being connected to power. This is allowing me to play with most the commands and such without wasting power while I test other parts.

I have some more for you...… This is the Pic code for a V9... It is a full code. You may be able to dump theZ9 pic using the eeprom dump  binary which is part of the z9 firmware. You need to know the address you want to start at but it may be possible.


Here is a link to download the hex version without the cr/lf     https://app.nihaocloud.com/f/c6089754ca7f4878ab30/?dl=1

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I will see if I can cleanup the fullsize chip enough to read a part number...it may be a day or two till I can do it.

if the test spots marked pwm1-pwm4 are what controls the output by pwm signal then there could be a few ways to get more out of these via voltage. Either software, hardware/software mod, or hardware mod only.

Also if you need some longer ribbon cables so you can test a board out of the case you can try what I use.... I took the 18 pin connectors off of some bad boards for a v9 then cleaned the pins good....slide the pins into 1 18 pin cable then plug another cable into it....quick extension cord for the ribbon cables, Just make sure you plug the pins so it keep the original pinout and doesn't swap them opposite.

Mind taking pictures of the board with the IC you've identified?

I only have a Z9 around, no minis.

-j

Jason I have the part number for the voltage IC …. This is from a Z9 Mini Batch 4 all 4 IC's have the same numbers. The datasheet the IC looks different but they are only showing 1 package the one on the Z9 may be a package they haven't updated the sheet for. Your Welcome

Infineon
TDA21470
H1831
4N42

The only way I know of to trick the lock bit on a pic is to trick it into thinking it is not set. In the past there was a method to short a couple of pins or apply voltage or ground to a certain pin as you try to read it. But I believe you had to have a pic programmer to do it. I have a emp11 which cover a lot of pics but it is about 10yrs old and don't have the settings for the newer pic's. A pic programmer isn't hard to build though. I wonder if any of the chips on the V9 are the same as the one your looking at. They are still readable on a v9.

The V9 VRM chip number is 27402S digikey lists as a slightly different number TI lists as a 27402. The TI spec sheet has good diagrams also. I would assume they are using the same VRM on most of their machines since they are pretty versatile.

With looking at the diagrams the output voltage possibly can be changed by switching 1 resistor on the hashboard, by changing the resistor connected to the comparator line and ground (marked Rfb2) the output voltage would automatically raise or lower depending on the resistor used. It also looks like it is creating its own PWM internally based on other voltage values. The fadj pin also determines the maximum output current. Kind of interesting how it can be hardware modified as easy as it is. I went about it the wrong way and I think I figured out the extra heat problem now.

Brain is working with ideas too fast now....LOL

I tell ya what I know we are both assholes but I think we can work together to get a good solution to get past voltage issues on all miners. I have a few V9's laying around and I will try some mods to them since they use the same controller. If I have any luck on the regulator section I will share it with you. I would rather burn them out testing voltage stuff then a good z9 board. This ain't no partnership its more like democrats and republicans coming together to screw the Chinese manufacturers.

update ….. on the V9 circuit they are using what looks like to be diagram 41 in the spec sheet. I stripped one board down and will post pics of the circuit. If they used the same design pattern then all should be ok with comparisons. I need to pull a mini or full board and get a pic of the vrm circuit area

Update... on my V9 Adding some voltage via 2-wires and resistor hardware mod gave about 1-2gh increase and reduced the HW errors from 4k+ to less than 1k with a little heat....tweaked resistor a little more got it to 0 HW errors at 825 mhz sorry it is off topic

The simpler thing is to simply not check for the fans if that is the needed.

Data logging is not a problem I have.
The chip is question has not been identified as best I am aware by any method ... go run your finger over the white part of that chip... it's actually been cut into to remove the top layers and hide the markings.

... my office/lab is better equipped than any radio shack ever was.

Voltage path: FPGA->(via i2c) PIC->(via separate i2c/i2s) ISL->VRM->hashboard
Fan Path: FPGA->fans (FPGA generates the pulse, "pulling to ground" does not make sense in this context).
Communications to the hashboard are a combination of things: FPGA->PIC->(Magic i2c interface over rs232 end-point terminated in fpga memory [kind of like a poor man's rDMA])->hashboard

Certain components downstream of the PIC are mapped to FPGA space through the use of the PIC as an interface. The PIC firmware on the z9/mini does not implement a couple of calls that are implemented (I think) on the Z11 PIC firmware. Voltage controls are included in this statement.

There is also another communication path I have not yet isolated directly related to how Z9/Z9mini ISL is communicated with. In bitmain's cgminer implementation, the payload is set up to communicate on an i2c bus (i.e., the bytes are what would be necessary to send out SDA), but since i2c is open-collector and the backend i2c is always low... it is not in use.

A useful endeavor would do know if the read protect bit is set on the PIC and then the FPGA, in that order.

... yeah, my self teaching covers a lot.

-j

If you have a good magnifier you can try to rub an eraser on the chip then try to read it or you can take a wet finger and rub across the chip. Sometime either method can bring out the chip markings. They can only scratch so deep on the chip and usually the etching of the chip can be barely read doing the above method. On chip where a drop of epoxy was put on top, use some heat and it will soften the epoxy and you can carefully get it off to a point where you can read the chip markings I will also add you can log just about any data with a terminal program and a serial port on a pc. Some stuff is inverted if not ran thru a max232 and some may not be. I built a logging board with a max232. The i2c can also be read and programmed via the same serial port without a max232. The pic is not as easy, I have a emp11 I use for all other micro's and eeproms


From what I have found so far the fan PWM is pulling to ground to slow the fan, so if that is the case the pwm for the voltage should have to be pulled down or raised up depending on the vrm's specs. If that is the case then somewhere on the hashboard there should be a resistor or 2 that could be changed allowing a different range of the modified pwm or the voltage pwm could be swapped with the fan pwm allowing changes to the pwm signal via the fan control if that is what the pwm line is doing to the voltage.

We know all we need is rpm signal for fan to detect correctly and that can be provided by a fan emulator leaving the pwm line unused and available for other things. You can also build a pulse generator if you have a radioshack near they have the parts and it is easy to build. The fan emulator with a variable resistor is basically the same thing