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Topic: Efudd Z-Series Fuddware 2.3 -Z11/Z11e/Z11j/Z9/Mini - page 15. (Read 45536 times)

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After doing some more reading I saw that most of what I said in that last post had already been covered, sorry for cluttering up the thread.

I still have had no luck with the 4th board on the mini..I will keep tinkering with it as time allows..moving on.

Thank you for your efforts and keep it up,

Keith

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RE: 4th hash board

    I tried the 2.1d dev fee version for the mini last night and it works great, but the 4th board did not appear to be found. I tried viewing the stats with SSH and watched for a bit poolside with no luck. Looking at the kernel log it never picked up the 4th board. is it possible I did something wrong with the down load or the flash. It could have been something on my end so I decided to try the 2.2 Z9 big on the mini and it amazed pushing 27-28 KS/s on (4) batch 4 mini boards so I did not think it was a local issue while I was running the mini firmware (probably just a user issue..) they settled at around 22-24 KS/s after about 30 minutes, the temps did not show but it did work and ran both fans. For anyone else that tries this and for your information Jason the dev fee seemed to run every other 10 min when you try to run the z9 big on a mini...not 100% sure about that as I know it was not intended to be run on a mini, but it did zero out and the log showed a pool switch. I was running it on prohashing..Just thought I would share. Any thoughts on what I might have done wrong with the mini version or does it need to be the paid version to pick up the fourth board. Will donate a little today (do you have new donation address or should I just use the one on here?) because its been fun and informative following the threads. I love to learn..hard way or easy way..anyway is still learning. Hope to pick up a Z11 soon and try that out...wife says if I get rid of 9 more L3+ I can have one..oh boy!

Thanks and keep up the good work,
Keith

* edit, I have looked and cannot find a donation address for you Jason, Have I over looked it somewhere?

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RE: 4th hash board

    I tried the 2.1d dev fee version for the mini last night and it works great, but the 4th board did not appear to be found. I tried viewing the stats with SSH and watched for a bit poolside with no luck. Looking at the kernel log it never picked up the 4th board. is it possible I did something wrong with the down load or the flash. It could have been something on my end so I decided to try the 2.2 Z9 big on the mini and it amazed pushing 27-28 KS/s on (4) batch 4 mini boards so I did not think it was a local issue while I was running the mini firmware (probably just a user issue..) they settled at around 22-24 KS/s after about 30 minutes, the temps did not show but it did work and ran both fans. For anyone else that tries this and for your information Jason the dev fee seemed to run every other 10 min when you try to run the z9 big on a mini...not 100% sure about that as I know it was not intended to be run on a mini, but it did zero out and the log showed a pool switch. I was running it on prohashing..Just thought I would share. Any thoughts on what I might have done wrong with the mini version or does it need to be the paid version to pick up the fourth board. Will donate a little today (do you have new donation address or should I just use the one on here?) because its been fun and informative following the threads. I love to learn..hard way or easy way..anyway is still learning. Hope to pick up a Z11 soon and try that out...wife says if I get rid of 9 more L3+ I can have one..oh boy!

Thanks and keep up the good work,
Keith

* edit, I have looked and cannot find a donation address for you Jason, Have I over looked it somewhere?
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Z11:

I’ve been able to get a reasonably stable ~180kSol out of a Z11... unfortunately the power draw appears to be overrunning an APW7.

~150kSol seems to be readily doable and stable, but the power efficiency seems to fade relative to stock systems.

I’m currently working to both try to ensure power efficiency around 150 is in line with the baseline system, as well as stress test for maximum OC ignoring power efficiency (temporarily).

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Jason,

I posted these same questions in one of chip's threads and thought I might post it here as well. I am running several z9 mini's and saw a chip tear down post that shows the memory is built into the chip.. (My Dad said the only dumb question was the one not asked..so..here it goes.) Does the freq and voltage change you guys are working on also effect the memory that is built in to the asic? or is this something that is a given and I am just not catching it?

 ...on another note is there a way to unlock the controller for the 4th hash board, and a gui update to show the 4th board?( I saw another post somewhere else that mentions you and a certain unlocked firmware that may accomplish this) I had several v9's that I flashed, made some mod's to the cases and am running the 2 of the mini boards in each case, but would like to combine them in a custom case with more than 3 boards to a controller.

If I have posted anything that has been answered before I apologize and I did some searching before asking, but I have ADHD and sometimes its best to just get it out..look a squirrel...

Thanks for all the hard work,


The V9 should show 4th board if you use the web gui /www/pages/cgi-bin/status.html  from the Z9 full. the 4th board should show in the overall speed just not the web gui but it is working on the v9.....the z9 full web gui will show all the boards on a z9 or v9 with the 4th brd.

I have ran 4 boards on minis full and v9's


Also here is the PIC code for the Z9 Mini Batch 1

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Jason,

The memory question was just something that came to mind I thought I would share, I am not as well versed as others, but I am willing to learn...I thought as much about the 4th board from my reading, but did not want to try it without asking. It would be nice to have the gui show the 4th board stats if it is found. Will give it a try sometime this week...damm a butterfly...lol

Thanks for the quick reply,

Keith
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Jason,

I posted these same questions in one of chip's threads and thought I might post it here as well. I am running several z9 mini's and saw a chip tear down post that shows the memory is built into the chip.. (My Dad said the only dumb question was the one not asked..so..here it goes.) Does the freq and voltage change you guys are working on also effect the memory that is built in to the asic? or is this something that is a given and I am just not catching it?

 ...on another note is there a way to unlock the controller for the 4th hash board, and a gui update to show the 4th board?( I saw another post somewhere else that mentions you and a certain unlocked firmware that may accomplish this) I had several v9's that I flashed, made some mod's to the cases and am running the 2 of the mini boards in each case, but would like to combine them in a custom case with more than 3 boards to a controller.

If I have posted anything that has been answered before I apologize and I did some searching before asking, but I have ADHD and sometimes its best to just get it out..look a squirrel...

Thanks for all the hard work,


re: 4th hashboard -- Yeah. It actually works with my firmware, but is not present in the UI... I have someone running a custom case to run 4 that way... the only trick is I didn't yet expose frequency controls for board4 directly, but you can use the global frequency setting for that board.

As far as the built in memory, no idea. It's just as possible that it is yes as it is no. In either case, I don't expect that memory on the ASIC is a bottleneck.

-j
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Jason,

I posted these same questions in one of chip's threads and thought I might post it here as well. I am running several z9 mini's and saw a chip tear down post that shows the memory is built into the chip.. (My Dad said the only dumb question was the one not asked..so..here it goes.) Does the freq and voltage change you guys are working on also effect the memory that is built in to the asic? or is this something that is a given and I am just not catching it?

 ...on another note is there a way to unlock the controller for the 4th hash board, and a gui update to show the 4th board?( I saw another post somewhere else that mentions you and a certain unlocked firmware that may accomplish this) I had several v9's that I flashed, made some mod's to the cases and am running the 2 of the mini boards in each case, but would like to combine them in a custom case with more than 3 boards to a controller.

If I have posted anything that has been answered before I apologize and I did some searching before asking, but I have ADHD and sometimes its best to just get it out..look a squirrel...

Thanks for all the hard work,
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Z11 Update:

Apologies for the delay folk.

Originally I had planned for the Z9/Mini/Z11 to all be like for like feature-wise, but I've made reasonable progress on the Z11 so it will be ahead of the Z9/Mini for a while. I'll try to catch the Z9/Mini up as I can.

Over the last week I have not been happy with the consistency of the results so I have not released anything publicly.  The consistency of results have now improved so a release will be happening just as soon as I can close out a couple of details and finish the integration testing.

The upcoming release will include full control for frequency and voltages on a per-hashboard basis. I can actually control frequencies and voltages on a per-ASIC basis, but I do not intend to implement that in a release unless there I can identify a need for it.

This release is happening in partnership with one of the top pools which will mean lower overall fees for users of my firmware.

What does this mean for you, the user?

Stable supported firmware + lower pool fees (horizen, zcash, pirate) + no dev fees (when used with partner pools) + increased hash rates = happy users with maximum returns.

Thank you,

Jason

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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/t17-ocov-s17-series-ocov-antminer-b7-ocov-s9k-z11-others-100-free-5132758

The image will be updated by tomorrow evening with an even faster version......

** Latest Speed Update  5/3/2019 12:59 CST ***
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...snip crap...

Located at 00049764 is the first byte of the running voltage and is 4 bytes to the code.
Change the 0x366 to 0x370 and you have now increased the voltage by .01 mV
If you set that over 0x370 (880mV) say to 0x371 (881mV) you get illegal voltage message even if you raise the high limit
Now you can change the 0x348 to increase the default from 840mV to whatever you want but if it is still out of the 800-880
you will get an illegal voltage message and the default is set. Even though you raise the default the pic is rejecting it and
automatically setting the 840mV



It is not the PIC returning the "illegal voltage" message -- it is cgminer.

-j


No shit ...the pic isnt accepting the volt above 880 and resorts back to 840 so when cgminer reads the voltage at start it triggers the error and so on.....Either way you will find 7-8 gives you more speed. Just like any binary it has to have a trigger to set the message and these the trigger comes from the pic/settings and so on ....Either way you figure it out ... I guess I will have to run it and show you the log so you can see that the voltage can be forced above 840 but it does no good.



Good Grief. I am telling you the PIC *WILL* accept higher voltages!

The control flow around 0x3E390 is as follows in psuedo-code:

if ( requested_voltage is not between 800 and 880 ) { set to 840 and continue } else { send to pic }


-j

And so far I have tried that and still get the return data as 840. I have told it ignore the 840 and continue anyways the pic is always returning 840 on anything above 880. I have set it to 900 but there is a return from the pic still as 840 if you set it out of the 880 range......I tried many combinations. I had a test image set to where I can see what is going on..... If I am missing something ok but I will say drop the 870 down to undervolt and immediately you lose speed bump it to the 880 and you gain speed. I have changed the 800-880 limit and it still has same results  

*shrug*.

-j
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...snip crap...

Located at 00049764 is the first byte of the running voltage and is 4 bytes to the code.
Change the 0x366 to 0x370 and you have now increased the voltage by .01 mV
If you set that over 0x370 (880mV) say to 0x371 (881mV) you get illegal voltage message even if you raise the high limit
Now you can change the 0x348 to increase the default from 840mV to whatever you want but if it is still out of the 800-880
you will get an illegal voltage message and the default is set. Even though you raise the default the pic is rejecting it and
automatically setting the 840mV



It is not the PIC returning the "illegal voltage" message -- it is cgminer.

-j


No shit ...the pic isnt accepting the volt above 880 and resorts back to 840 so when cgminer reads the voltage at start it triggers the error and so on.....Either way you will find 7-8 gives you more speed. Just like any binary it has to have a trigger to set the message and these the trigger comes from the pic/settings and so on ....Either way you figure it out ... I guess I will have to run it and show you the log so you can see that the voltage can be forced above 840 but it does no good.



Good Grief. I am telling you the PIC *WILL* accept higher voltages!

The control flow around 0x3E390 is as follows in psuedo-code:

if ( requested_voltage is not between 800 and 880 ) { set to 840 and continue } else { send to pic }


-j

And so far I have tried that and still get the return data as 840. I have told it ignore the 840 and continue anyways the pic is always returning 840 on anything above 880. I have set it to 900 but there is a return from the pic still as 840 if you set it out of the 880 range......I tried many combinations. I had a test image set to where I can see what is going on..... If I am missing something ok but I will say drop the 870 down to undervolt and immediately you lose speed bump it to the 880 and you gain speed. I have changed the 800-880 limit and it still has same results  
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...snip crap...

Located at 00049764 is the first byte of the running voltage and is 4 bytes to the code.
Change the 0x366 to 0x370 and you have now increased the voltage by .01 mV
If you set that over 0x370 (880mV) say to 0x371 (881mV) you get illegal voltage message even if you raise the high limit
Now you can change the 0x348 to increase the default from 840mV to whatever you want but if it is still out of the 800-880
you will get an illegal voltage message and the default is set. Even though you raise the default the pic is rejecting it and
automatically setting the 840mV



It is not the PIC returning the "illegal voltage" message -- it is cgminer.

-j


No shit ...the pic isnt accepting the volt above 880 and resorts back to 840 so when cgminer reads the voltage at start it triggers the error and so on.....Either way you will find 7-8 gives you more speed. Just like any binary it has to have a trigger to set the message and these the trigger comes from the pic/settings and so on ....Either way you figure it out ... I guess I will have to run it and show you the log so you can see that the voltage can be forced above 840 but it does no good.



Good Grief. I am telling you the PIC *WILL* accept higher voltages!

The control flow around 0x3E390 is as follows in psuedo-code:

if ( requested_voltage is not between 800 and 880 ) { set to 840 and continue } else { send to pic }


-j
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the knowledge you provide is very useful to me,
I have tried it and the results are very good because you explain the steps in detail. this is very helpful for me and others, I'm sure more and more people are using the Z9 application.
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...snip crap...

Located at 00049764 is the first byte of the running voltage and is 4 bytes to the code.
Change the 0x366 to 0x370 and you have now increased the voltage by .01 mV
If you set that over 0x370 (880mV) say to 0x371 (881mV) you get illegal voltage message even if you raise the high limit
Now you can change the 0x348 to increase the default from 840mV to whatever you want but if it is still out of the 800-880
you will get an illegal voltage message and the default is set. Even though you raise the default the pic is rejecting it and
automatically setting the 840mV



It is not the PIC returning the "illegal voltage" message -- it is cgminer.

-j


No shit ...the pic isnt accepting the volt above 880 and resorts back to 840 so when cgminer reads the voltage at start it triggers the error and so on.....Either way you will find 7-8 gives you more speed. Just like any binary it has to have a trigger to set the message and these the trigger comes from the pic/settings and so on ....Either way you figure it out ... I guess I will have to run it and show you the log so you can see that the voltage can be forced above 840 but it does no good.

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So I hear you want to give me a fucked up image.... Thats pretty sad and low of anyone to sit and play games with someones machine like that. I dont care what your intention was or is. Thats fucking sad and your users need to be aware of sick thoughts or ideas. Whats to say you wont do that to them if you dont like what they say.

I am trying to help people and your out to fuck them so your gonna send me fucked up files trying to make it look like I dont know jack about whats going on so you can get more users.....I have seen it before and will probly see it again. I told you I have been messing with code since the age of 12 and it dont take long to get back into the groove of things. Well, I am back!!

And your the fucking idiot who wants to think he is a know it all. I will explain the voltage to your good and quick with the locations to test even... This is how to change a 7 to a 8 and get a little more speed.

In the image i started with 3/12/19 use ida do a search for 0x348 located at 3 places that is the default voltage of 840mV
Next search for 0X320 that is the low volt of 800mV located at least 6 places
Next do a search for 0x366 that is the current voltage of 870mV
Now search for 0x370 that is the high volt of 880mV

Located at 00049764 is the first byte of the running voltage and is 4 bytes to the code.
Change the 0x366 to 0x370 and you have now increased the voltage by .01 mV
If you set that over 0x370 (880mV) say to 0x371 (881mV) you get illegal voltage message even if you raise the high limit
Now you can change the 0x348 to increase the default from 840mV to whatever you want but if it is still out of the 800-880
you will get an illegal voltage message and the default is set. Even though you raise the default the pic is rejecting it and
automatically setting the 840mV

You can take a stock image change the 0x366 to 0x370 at 49764 and will automatically get an increase over the 142k
You can also undervolt them this way but may lose speed depending on the clocking.

Now anyone with winSCP and a hex editor can try it for themselves and see what they get. They can also look for the speeds like the default at location 4985C change the first or second byte of that 4 byte block and the default is now changed....And so on




Dear sir.

You dont oc the miners according to the source code of bmminer or cgminer.
But you directly edit the binary file?

Really cool.

Yes I have been editing the binary directly. No source needed only a disassembly of the file to follow the trail.

Here is the Z11 files I have been working on
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/t17-ocov-s17-series-ocov-antminer-b7-ocov-s9k-z11-others-100-free-5132758
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Hello Jason.

1. Would you able to oc a9,a9+,a9++ to get at least 10% increase?
2. Any news about oc z11?

Thank you.


@algcool - there is a tuning guide for A9 pinned in the #a9-discussion on discord. I'd start there and see how it works for you.

Further details will be posted soon regarding Z11.

-j
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...snip crap...

Located at 00049764 is the first byte of the running voltage and is 4 bytes to the code.
Change the 0x366 to 0x370 and you have now increased the voltage by .01 mV
If you set that over 0x370 (880mV) say to 0x371 (881mV) you get illegal voltage message even if you raise the high limit
Now you can change the 0x348 to increase the default from 840mV to whatever you want but if it is still out of the 800-880
you will get an illegal voltage message and the default is set. Even though you raise the default the pic is rejecting it and
automatically setting the 840mV



It is not the PIC returning the "illegal voltage" message -- it is cgminer.

-j
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Chipless,

Learn to monkey patch and you won’t have those types of limits apply since you can rewrite the functions at runtime.

As far as my “sick thought”, let me post the entire context here so there is not anything to misconstrue.

https://imgur.com/a/gAS0mDB

You are fun to troll.

-j

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Cooldragon

Hello Jason.

1. Would you able to oc a9,a9+,a9++ to get at least 10% increase?
2. Any news about oc z11?

Thank you.
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