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Topic: Elastic(XEL): The Decentralized Supercomputer. The Golem Slayer. MOON. - page 5. (Read 8317 times)

legendary
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Sure, here's another free bump!

Agreed this is one of the clearest examples of a scam I've seen in recent times. Well done for trying to warn people about it. It started with a newbie account whose real-life name was supposedly "Lionel Keys" posting as ElasticCoin. Immediately a few of us pressed for some kind of info to verify his identity (given it was an ICO without escrow), which he said would be coming soon. In the mean time I began finding Evil-Knievel's behaviour in the thread extremely suspicious. He wasn't (publicly) in charge of the probject at this point but from the start was shilling hard (talking about how much he'd invested) and answering the bulk of the questions that were intended for the dev. It was obvious to me he was involved with the project whilst pretending not to be.

Every post from the ElasticCoin account was subsequently deleted from that thread (presumably when they realized they'd messed up and that there was no way to hide how shady the whole thing was), Lionel Keys disappeared (abandoning a project he'd supposedly spent months working on and preparing) and Evil-Knievel suddenly emerged as project lead.

I haven't enough time to dig through it, but here's the original thread. Evil-Knievel has also deleted every single post he made in that thread, though enough of his and ElasticCoin's original posts have been preserved in quotes in replies to show you what's going on here.

Deleted original ANN:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/relaunched-completely-1362006

Quote from: Evil-Knievel on February 19, 2016, 09:46:04 AM
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I am currently invested in this coin with a total of 6.8799 BTC.

A very clear scam.


Devs remain anonymous today. Some people never learn...

You must be new here.... community takeovers happen all the time.  Sometimes, they are very successful.

It doesn't matter if a coin's beginnings are questionable... take a look at Dash, it's as sketchy as it gets.  

They have demo'd a working product (something golem has not done because golem is vaporware), have a low cap, and the chart looks nice.

That's why I bought.

Golem never demo'd a working product? Is that the level of research you've done on XEL? So little that you don't even understand their main competitor?

XEL demo'd a crappy Bitcoin miner in 2016 and they've been parading that same video around since then.

Looks like they're making tons of progress on GitHub though: https://github.com/elastic-coin/elastic.github.io/graphs/contributors?from=2017-04-09&to=2017-09-12&type=c

Oh wait... it's practically dead.

OMG look at the price, your FUD is working!
member
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Sure, here's another free bump!

Agreed this is one of the clearest examples of a scam I've seen in recent times. Well done for trying to warn people about it. It started with a newbie account whose real-life name was supposedly "Lionel Keys" posting as ElasticCoin. Immediately a few of us pressed for some kind of info to verify his identity (given it was an ICO without escrow), which he said would be coming soon. In the mean time I began finding Evil-Knievel's behaviour in the thread extremely suspicious. He wasn't (publicly) in charge of the probject at this point but from the start was shilling hard (talking about how much he'd invested) and answering the bulk of the questions that were intended for the dev. It was obvious to me he was involved with the project whilst pretending not to be.

Every post from the ElasticCoin account was subsequently deleted from that thread (presumably when they realized they'd messed up and that there was no way to hide how shady the whole thing was), Lionel Keys disappeared (abandoning a project he'd supposedly spent months working on and preparing) and Evil-Knievel suddenly emerged as project lead.

I haven't enough time to dig through it, but here's the original thread. Evil-Knievel has also deleted every single post he made in that thread, though enough of his and ElasticCoin's original posts have been preserved in quotes in replies to show you what's going on here.

Deleted original ANN:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/relaunched-completely-1362006

Quote from: Evil-Knievel on February 19, 2016, 09:46:04 AM
Quote
-snip-


I am currently invested in this coin with a total of 6.8799 BTC.

A very clear scam.


Devs remain anonymous today. Some people never learn...

You must be new here.... community takeovers happen all the time.  Sometimes, they are very successful.

It doesn't matter if a coin's beginnings are questionable... take a look at Dash, it's as sketchy as it gets.  

They have demo'd a working product (something golem has not done because golem is vaporware), have a low cap, and the chart looks nice.

That's why I bought.

Golem never demo'd a working product? Is that the level of research you've done on XEL? So little that you don't even understand their main competitor?

XEL demo'd a crappy Bitcoin miner in 2016 and they've been parading that same video around since then.

Looks like they're making tons of progress on GitHub though: https://github.com/elastic-coin/elastic.github.io/graphs/contributors?from=2017-04-09&to=2017-09-12&type=c

Oh wait... it's practically dead.
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
Sure, here's another free bump!

Agreed this is one of the clearest examples of a scam I've seen in recent times. Well done for trying to warn people about it. It started with a newbie account whose real-life name was supposedly "Lionel Keys" posting as ElasticCoin. Immediately a few of us pressed for some kind of info to verify his identity (given it was an ICO without escrow), which he said would be coming soon. In the mean time I began finding Evil-Knievel's behaviour in the thread extremely suspicious. He wasn't (publicly) in charge of the probject at this point but from the start was shilling hard (talking about how much he'd invested) and answering the bulk of the questions that were intended for the dev. It was obvious to me he was involved with the project whilst pretending not to be.

Every post from the ElasticCoin account was subsequently deleted from that thread (presumably when they realized they'd messed up and that there was no way to hide how shady the whole thing was), Lionel Keys disappeared (abandoning a project he'd supposedly spent months working on and preparing) and Evil-Knievel suddenly emerged as project lead.

I haven't enough time to dig through it, but here's the original thread. Evil-Knievel has also deleted every single post he made in that thread, though enough of his and ElasticCoin's original posts have been preserved in quotes in replies to show you what's going on here.

Deleted original ANN:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/relaunched-completely-1362006

Quote from: Evil-Knievel on February 19, 2016, 09:46:04 AM
Quote
-snip-


I am currently invested in this coin with a total of 6.8799 BTC.

A very clear scam.


Devs remain anonymous today. Some people never learn...

You must be new here.... community takeovers happen all the time.  Sometimes, they are very successful.

It doesn't matter if a coin's beginnings are questionable... take a look at Dash, it's as sketchy as it gets. 

They have demo'd a working product (something golem has not done because golem is vaporware), have a low cap, and the chart looks nice.

That's why I bought.
member
Activity: 90
Merit: 10
Sure, here's another free bump!

Agreed this is one of the clearest examples of a scam I've seen in recent times. Well done for trying to warn people about it. It started with a newbie account whose real-life name was supposedly "Lionel Keys" posting as ElasticCoin. Immediately a few of us pressed for some kind of info to verify his identity (given it was an ICO without escrow), which he said would be coming soon. In the mean time I began finding Evil-Knievel's behaviour in the thread extremely suspicious. He wasn't (publicly) in charge of the probject at this point but from the start was shilling hard (talking about how much he'd invested) and answering the bulk of the questions that were intended for the dev. It was obvious to me he was involved with the project whilst pretending not to be.

Every post from the ElasticCoin account was subsequently deleted from that thread (presumably when they realized they'd messed up and that there was no way to hide how shady the whole thing was), Lionel Keys disappeared (abandoning a project he'd supposedly spent months working on and preparing) and Evil-Knievel suddenly emerged as project lead.

I haven't enough time to dig through it, but here's the original thread. Evil-Knievel has also deleted every single post he made in that thread, though enough of his and ElasticCoin's original posts have been preserved in quotes in replies to show you what's going on here.

Deleted original ANN:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/relaunched-completely-1362006

Quote from: Evil-Knievel on February 19, 2016, 09:46:04 AM
Quote
-snip-

I am currently invested in this coin with a total of 6.8799 BTC.

A very clear scam.


Devs remain anonymous today. Some people never learn...
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
I bought XEL too early, OTC at around 0.000195 just days before a FUD campaign

OP also bought XEL during the OTC sales, which is probably why he's shilling it now. Seems all he does these days is shill his bags.

There was no "FUD campaign" against XEL. The notion that anyone would care that much about an unknown shitcoin is laughable. Several people realized XEL is a scam and tried to warn gullible schmucks like you, but instead of listening you assumed there was some grand conspiracy. Congrats, you got conned.

Despite what the shills try to tell you, XEL offers nothing over Golem. The fact that XEL's marketing relies on a complete misrepresentation of Golem is more evidence of their incompetence. Then there's the fact that XEL's creator (Lannister) literally scammed everyone and disappeared: http://archive.is/zoyYa

Senior members of Bitcointalk were calling XEL a scam more than a year ago: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15845799

Why are you still hanging onto your delusions? Cut your losses and move on.

Here to bump my thread again?  Keep it up!  We need more views!
legendary
Activity: 1274
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If you missed your optimal entry... this is as good as it gets.

member
Activity: 90
Merit: 10
I bought XEL too early, OTC at around 0.000195 just days before a FUD campaign

OP also bought XEL during the OTC sales, which is probably why he's shilling it now. Seems all he does these days is shill his bags: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19619837

There was no "FUD campaign" against XEL. The notion that anyone would care that much about an unknown shitcoin is laughable. Several people realized XEL is a scam and tried to warn gullible schmucks like you, but instead of listening you assumed there was some grand conspiracy. Congrats, you got conned.

Despite what the shills try to tell you, XEL offers nothing over Golem. The fact that XEL's marketing relies on a complete misrepresentation of Golem is more evidence of their incompetence. Then there's the fact that XEL's creator (Lannister) literally scammed everyone and disappeared: http://archive.is/zoyYa

Senior members of Bitcointalk were calling XEL a scam more than a year ago: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15845799

Why are you still hanging onto your delusions? Cut your losses and move on.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 253
Nice to read an honest, detailed and mostly objective report about an investment oppertunity. I bought XEL too early, OTC at around 0.000195 just days before a FUD campaign which caused a price drop of over 50%. One has to have balls of steals and embrace patience as an investment strategy. Easier said then done...
newbie
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Hello,

have been eyeing XEL for a while while after Golem's disappointing conference.

Glad to find this topic. Betting big on this project. Smiley
full member
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I've owned XEL on and off for a couple of months now. Got in when it originally pumped from around 60 to 110. Then it was very hit or miss. Went as high as 255 if i recall correctly. The one thing to keep an eye out for is this coin can be very manipulated. Good idea to time your entry and don't lose patience. Coin will swing. Don't know if the recent support will put an end to that. As for the project, it is interesting. It's different than Golem because it requires coding to customize it, not plug and play. Applications are considered a little more academic in nature and has something of a science bent to it. Developers strike me as labor of love kind of people. If this coin pops now, I'd say it was overdue. Don't think it will 5x to Golem's stature and maybe it shouldn't but it's growth may be imminent. There was another thread, by ReeFrew maybe- made enemies and friends- where he would make his calls and go buy the coins. Picked OMG, Qtum very early on and at one point, dumped them all to go all in on XEL. Thought it was going to intergalactic by year's end. Ended up pulling out and his thread was controversial but the point is, there has been interest surrounding this coin for awhile and it never quite took off. Now that there's TA to support it coupled with growing awareness, it does look pretty good. Personally, I've come to hate this coin for the way it's been manipulated but I think we can forgive each other. Smiley

Count me in.

ahahah! i remember ReeFrew's thread as i was witless enough to go and buy XEL in the middle of the pump just to find myself with 33% loss 10 days after and feeling so incompetent that i didn't even manage to get rid of the damn coin but kept looking at it sinking of value in my wallet and hating it more by the day  Angry

well, i'm loving the topics of DBT as they already rang the upturn bell for two coins that i held for long and stupidly didn't sell for profit at the right time (FLO & SYS, hopeully ARDR)... if the same trick is going to happen with XEL, i'll definitely turn into a believer. thanks much for now, great posts!
legendary
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@dbt1033. I like this project and I reckon it is not overvalued like Golem. Golem has a very big market capitalization and no working product. That is not a good sign.

But is it true that one of the founders called Lannister disappeared and holds the keys to the ICO funds collected to support development? What are the latest updates on that issue?
full member
Activity: 175
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I've owned XEL on and off for a couple of months now. Got in when it originally pumped from around 60 to 110. Then it was very hit or miss. Went as high as 255 if i recall correctly. The one thing to keep an eye out for is this coin can be very manipulated. Good idea to time your entry and don't lose patience. Coin will swing. Don't know if the recent support will put an end to that. As for the project, it is interesting. It's different than Golem because it requires coding to customize it, not plug and play. Applications are considered a little more academic in nature and has something of a science bent to it. Developers strike me as labor of love kind of people. If this coin pops now, I'd say it was overdue. Don't think it will 5x to Golem's stature and maybe it shouldn't but it's growth may be imminent. There was another thread, by ReeFrew maybe- made enemies and friends- where he would make his calls and go buy the coins. Picked OMG, Qtum very early on and at one point, dumped them all to go all in on XEL. Thought it was going to intergalactic by year's end. Ended up pulling out and his thread was controversial but the point is, there has been interest surrounding this coin for awhile and it never quite took off. Now that there's TA to support it coupled with growing awareness, it does look pretty good. Personally, I've come to hate this coin for the way it's been manipulated but I think we can forgive each other. Smiley

Count me in.
member
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I was contemplating to pick up XEL yesterday. Now seeing your topic and a 20% price inrease I should've trusted my analysis. All right, still in.
hero member
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Awesome investment advice report, thank you .

I suggest if people want invest the xel. Please read the fully xel threads. You will find different from other projects. This project focused on development & Coding. (NOT marketing)
member
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My friend i invested in Syscoin. Would you recommend selling it and buying XEL?
legendary
Activity: 1274
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Thanks man... much appreciated.  A lot of this comes from doing this for a LONG time.  

I do a lot of research, but my friends do a lot of research as well.  

Number 1 piece of advice I can give it to make good friends while you're here.
Thank you for sharing.  I'm always looking for your posts now, although I always seem to jump on these things a little too late.  XEL is floating around 11700 sats now.  Would you still jump in at this point or have I missed the boat on this one?

No way... you haven't missed the boat.  

Have a look at this though:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2156522.msg21589362#msg21589362

"It kills me to see that people are investing precious bitcoin with so little patience.  

I often see this with new investors... fomo all-in on one coin because a bunch of noobs are talking about it (good sign it's top), then sell for a loss to fomo a lesser all-in on another.  

The key to success in this game is patience.  

Find good projects.  Then find a good place to buy them.  Then wait.

I like spreading my bets around... so I do serious research to determine how much of my portfolio I want a particular asset to represent.

For example:  Ardr is a really serious project with a really serious team.  It's on several big exchanges / therefore pretty liquid.  I might be ok having a bag that represents 15-20% of my portfolio on something like this.  Other coins that don't meet these criteria (they might be really ambitions but with unproven dev team... or maybe they just aren't that liquid) might be a good pick to represent 3-5% of your portfolio.

I understand that a lot of times, when you are new... you don't have much to play with.

If this is you (no shame, we all start somewhere), pick two projects... join the slacks so you know what's going on.  Follow twitter posts about the projects.  Read the forums.   This will help you judge sentiment.  
Make sure to buy at a good time to minimize a drawdown..... you can take a free trading course at www.babypips.com to help you realize what is a good buy and what isn't.  

When you have entered 1-2 projects, hold on for dear life.  Fight the temptation to sell for a loss (unless you really fucked up with your buy... but I'm sure you will make a few mistakes along the way.)
There is a lot of hype in crypto.  Do not fall into the cycle of chasing hype.  You want to buy projects BEFORE everyone else is talking about them, not AFTER.  If everyone and their mother is talking about something, it's likely too late.

Make sure to check out www.coinmarketcap.com.  My favorite projects are those with <200mm market cap.  This is because there is a lot of potential upside for low-medium cap projects.  

Good luck investing guys... it's a wild ride but can be incredibly rewarding.  Learn to realize your faults, sit on your hands, and learn from your mistakes.  Becoming a successful investor takes time.  There is a reason 90+% fail.  Be persistent."


Is this going to be one of the projects you are going to commit yourself to?  Do you want to go balls deep learning about Xel and do you want to hodl Xel for months even if you are underwater?

I think it's a great project and it could be "that" coin to many people, but you need to make your own decisions. Smiley

newbie
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Thanks man... much appreciated.  A lot of this comes from doing this for a LONG time.  

I do a lot of research, but my friends do a lot of research as well.  

Number 1 piece of advice I can give it to make good friends while you're here.
Thank you for sharing.  I'm always looking for your posts now, although I always seem to jump on these things a little too late.  XEL is floating around 11700 sats now.  Would you still jump in at this point or have I missed the boat on this one?
legendary
Activity: 1274
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Just bought some XEL. Great find as always.

Im a big fan of your threads and have made some money from them. May i however ask how you find these "hidden-gem" coins? I was thinking of going to cryptopia and reading about each of those coins one by one until i find something good but it seems to time consuming.

I follow him and a few other guys on twitter that are similar. It appears they do their research and are aware of pretty much every alt coin with good fundamentals. Then it's just a matter of watching their price. DBT is great at finding the coins with best fundamentals and perfect TA timing.

Thanks man... much appreciated.  A lot of this comes from doing this for a LONG time. 

I do a lot of research, but my friends do a lot of research as well. 

Number 1 piece of advice I can give it to make good friends while you're here.
hero member
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Awesome read. I'm a big supporter of Elastic, hopefully this will bring some more interest to the project, a lot of recent fud has  has made some people reluctant on investing.
full member
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Just bought some XEL. Great find as always.

Im a big fan of your threads and have made some money from them. May i however ask how you find these "hidden-gem" coins? I was thinking of going to cryptopia and reading about each of those coins one by one until i find something good but it seems to time consuming.

I follow him and a few other guys on twitter that are similar. It appears they do their research and are aware of pretty much every alt coin with good fundamentals. Then it's just a matter of watching their price. DBT is great at finding the coins with best fundamentals and perfect TA timing.
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