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Topic: Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB - page 238. (Read 1061843 times)

jr. member
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I'm a plankton miner compared to some of the whales in this pool - however:

My miners ALWAYS report effective hash rate that is always higher than my 12hr average Eligius stat:

Shown below are my 5 overclocked BEs reporting total of  2.55GH/s (all time effective):


While my 12hr average stat reports 2.44GH/s:


Now this ~1% difference is consistent. It's never seen the numbers the other way around (higher stats).

What am I missing? Am I seeing a 1% fee on eligius?

legendary
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All I know is my Android wallet software is reporting BTC has been deposited TO my wallet FROM "wizstats donations."

The blockchain reports the sources as having been:
1ChANGeATMH8dFnj39wGTjfjudUtLspzXr
1QGq9aXqpH6hEJnnbf7fnFbHJCEtBZCx83
1StatsQytc7UEZ9sHJ9BGX2csmkj8XZr2 (wizstats donations )

If you aren't concerned, then I'm not.

Transactions don't have sources. The Android wallet software and blockchain.info (which is NOT the blockchain) are buggily fabricating this "information". I'd advise ignoring it.
newbie
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All I know is my Android wallet software is reporting BTC has been deposited TO my wallet FROM "wizstats donations."

The blockchain reports the sources as having been:
1ChANGeATMH8dFnj39wGTjfjudUtLspzXr
1QGq9aXqpH6hEJnnbf7fnFbHJCEtBZCx83
1StatsQytc7UEZ9sHJ9BGX2csmkj8XZr2 (wizstats donations )

If you aren't concerned, then I'm not.
legendary
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and now for something completely different...
Anyone else get a BTC deposit from "wizstats donations?"
I have no clue what that is from.
Bitcoins aren't sent *from* anywhere.
newbie
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and now for something completely different...
Anyone else get a BTC deposit from "wizstats donations?"
I have no clue what that is from.
newbie
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I come to you all with head down hat in hand.  I aired my frustrations on a public forum.  For that I deeply apologize.
Thank you Biomech for seeing the truth.  I was just venting.

As I suspected would happen, much of what I said was misconstrued, or only partially read.  Hopefully I can be more clear here.

1) I am not being a troll and trying discourage ANYONE about Bitcoin.

2) I am frustrated at the lengths we individual miners must go to in order to compete with CORPORATIONS that only have to expend the effort it takes to wiggle their pinky finger and drop 100 million dollars on mining equipment and the datacenters in which to run them.  In a few short months, we find ourselves competing against tens of PETAHASHES on the network, generated in large part by these corporations.  THAT is my primary frustration.  Anything created for the good of all, which I believe Bitcoin was, can be and has been perverted by the rich and powerful.

3) Yes, I was very frustrated with not seeing anything extra from finding a block.  I was deluded and venting.  Boo Hoo.  That was purely MY passing frustration.  I knew when I posted that it is the way it is and it cannot change.  I never said it SHOULD or even COULD change.  I was simply frustrated that I had to share something that I'd rather not.  I'm man enough to admit that.  Boo Hoo for me.  I get it.  My bet is that any one of you would rather get that 25BTC payout than share it.  Enough said, next topic.

4) Yes, I am a common man.  I am currently unemployed.  Yes, right now, 1.2TH is PUNY... when competing against PETAHASHES of corporate greed.  The last time I checked total network hashing power two weeks ago it was 14PH, today it's 37PH.  How much of that is individuals doing mining?  I doubt individuals constitute more than 2% of all that power.  We ALL have reason to bitch because it takes far more than 1.2TH get a decent return.  It PAINS ME that the common working man cannot participate in mining and make a decent return from a level of mining power he can afford.  Pool-based mining is not a necessary component of Bitcoin or any other Cryptocurrency.  Pools are a reaction to the ceaseless rise of the difficulty level beyond belief, caused by those that can afford to purchase a Hell of a lot more hashing power than 1.2TH.  Without pools we would all be seeing zero return from our miners except for the extremely rare found block.

Do you know (or care) how I got my 1.2 Terahashes?  By ME going into far more PERSONAL DEBT than is rational, to purchase mining power.  So don't accuse me of flaunting my wares, I didn't inherit my money or miners.  Your envy is unbecoming.  I'm simply trying to get to a level of hashing power that can support mining as an even minor profit making venture, as I know all of you attempting to do, or should be doing.

If you are doing this as a hobby, I advise you to choose another hobby.  The costs of keeping your miners running will eat you alive.  My electric bill has gone up $210 per month.  I'll be lucky to break even between electricity and interest payments.  That's my choice.  You chose your limit of financial exposure to mining, I chose mine.  I just happened to put more skin in the game than you.  However, in the end, it is just ME ALONE choosing to compete with the Goliath that is the network of hashing power, not an over privileged wealthy family or a corporation that cares nothing about any other aspect of Bitcoin than profit.  I happen to care a great deal about its potential to bring about social and governmental change, for the better.

5) Pure communism, at its roots, was about everyone pulling together for the good of all.  A laudable goal.  I recognize that.  That system, as well as every other nation-state political organization, has been polluted and corrupted for the good of the elite, without fail.

In my frustration I used phrasing that hit upon an inflammatory response.  It is your interpretation of my comments that got you all riled up, not my true meaning.  I was simply referring to the purist definition of communism which eschews individual gain over the good of all.

As per dictionary.com:
com·mu·nism  [kom-yuh-niz-uhm] noun
-- a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

6) You HAD to play the nationality card.  Yes, I am American.  As I said in a previous post, I live in Minnesota, so I cannot deny it.  Be that as it may, I do not take my personal identity from the country where I was born or in which I reside.  I propose that, not saying anything about whatever country in which you reside, that you are lumping all Americans with whatever preconceived prejudice you have, and not many facts.  Additionally, the American government and some of my fellow Americans have committed acts with which I take great embarrassment, not pride.  Lastly, since you are making personal attacks, I have a solid enough command of the English language and grammar to know it is written "you're American" not "your American" and I punctuate it correctly as well.  Enough personal bashing.

7) Why can't people make a point on this, or any other boards, without fucking swearing and impugning the educational level of the audience.

8 ) I've been mining since January, 2014.  I've spent much of my life savings and credit to get seriously into mining.  > I < take offense that you ASSUME you know who I am, what I am about or that I FEEL ENTITLED to ANYTHING.  You know nothing of what you speak, and I have made no aspersions as to who or what anyone else on this board is about.  I suggest you reign in your venom spitting fangs.  Given the level of difficulty right now, I doubt I will find another block with my MEASLY 1.2TH.  Keep in mind that your 500GH is quite ostentatious and offensive to someone that can't afford more than a few 1.2GH USB miners.  Also keep in mind that lightening can strike anywhere and your 500GH of miners may also find a block.

Lastly, I have not written one word of denigration or complaint about Eligius or its principal operators pertaining to any of the issues that have plagued the pool recently.  Read my post closely.  I was just complaining about the way block rewards are handled in a childish tantrum of frustration.  Authoring that post is something I regret greatly.  However, the deed is done.
sr. member
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Thanks for the quote,

You are welcome. And yes, this forum contains way too much information, my brain demands a direct link. :-)

It would be great if they had a news page or a twitter feed where this kind of information is posted. This thread is the only place to get information right now. The newest news item on the website is about mtgox addresses, nothing about the stats hack or NMC payout delays. I understand people are busy, but if someone has time to reply to posts here, can't they write a few lines and post on some official site? Twitter is good for this kind of thing, just takes seconds of time to tweet "NMC payouts delayed until further notice" and we'd all see that and wait patiently.
legendary
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Hello all, I've added support for Eligius to my Windows only MPoolMonitor app.



See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mpoolmonitor-42-monitors-most-pools-idle-worker-notification-blockchaininfo-86502

I intend to add more feature functionality, including local idle worker alerts, possible graphs (haven't explored yet), and pool luck ratings if the API supports it. 

Note that it doesn't currently show separate worker names, those mining with _name appended to the address.  I'm not seeing that info in the output from the API, I have an email into Wizkid about that, maybe I'm missing something.

Regards,

M
legendary
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Anarchy is not chaos.
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<< oooops! did I just respond to a troll ? >>

I tought [sic] it might be a troll too, but I chose to respond because the response had worthwhile thing to be said for anybody.

+1
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I think you've been beat up on enough, but wanted to give a few comments the other day when I saw this. now, I'll be given fewer, but maybe this will resonate with you, or help you see things from your own obviously miopic viewpoint. First off:

With only 1.2TH at my command, with odds of five quadrillion to one, it found a block!  I briefly did the Snoopy happy dance.  25BTC!  

This morning I checked my payouts... and there was nothing.  Nothing but a measly 0.39BTC for four days of mining.  Angry

To equate yourself with the "every-man" while rolling with 1.2 TH/s is insulting. Seriously, It's just fucking insulting. Think about it. Most people at this pool, and most others, are generally under 500 GH/s, and actually even less. I was kind of offended, though I'm not actually capable of felling a wide range of emotions. Offended is closest. You're earning way more than me, and just by being a miner, as opposed to buying BTC, you've got a better chance of making better profit that those who just buy BTC during favorable market conditions. You have a steady stream of BTC income rolling. To put yourself at my level, and many others, is naive at best, and callus at worst, and shows you do not have a grasp on the mining landscape.  I had harsher words, but others have already said them. Just be sensitive to the fact that by possessing 1,2 TH/s in gear, and most of us here knowing what that costs, puts you in a different class than many of us who have taken, in sme instances, bigger financial risks to possess much less.

$15,750 had been taken from me!  Distributed to the pool!  Not one extra bitcoin was given to me for having the miner that did the work.  Then I realized what a Communist plot pool mining is.


Yeah, of course it's distributed to the pool. You're also benefiting form the many other miners who are willing to not act entitled and jump to some dumb-ass communist conspiracy. Something tells me your American, as most Americans understand communism from third-party sources that digest it for them instead of reading as much theory as necessary to even be able to use the word correctly. If you want to say there's a social element to it, then you're indeed correct, and that's the whole point. independent miners pool their resources together for the benefit of the group, and as many have pointed out, many of us would earn nothing if we didn't, so it's a logical choice. Also, if you have't read Adam Smith's 1759 work 'Theory of Moral Sentiments' in connection to his 1776 work 'The Wealth of Nations,' you may want to go back and refresh your fundamentals uf how capitalism works, or should work, at the ground floor. People with minimal capital pool resources together to create profit, which is good for the a given economy. When players at ANY level become greedy and feel entitled, while in a sense they are indeed following one facet of capitalism to its logical conclusion, Smith points out that greed is perhaps the greatest destructive force. He also goes on to say that while most markets should be left unencumbered, finance is perhaps the one key area where there should indeed be oversight and regulation. He was also in favor of social programs like compulsory education, relief for the unemployed (minimal like housing, food, and the general basics), and a few other social programs.

What's more, you FOUND a block. As many have pointed out, big deal. Eclipse, for example, counts when you are the last person who actually solves the block. No perks there either.

I don't know, you jump form one extreme to another suggests that you're letting your expectations rule, and are fine with being ignorant and lashing out, instead of having first posted a question as to why this is. You just go to communism, which within your worldview simply equals "bad." You live in a world where you these concepts are actually rather fluid, and you practice all of them without likely knowing it. Do you loan friends $20 bucks for a few days when they are hard up without asking for interest? That's a social undertaking. Even global systems are a mixture of those that have come before, which is why they are so hard to define and are simply pegged in a binary framework of left and right. It's over-simplistic, and if you're smart enough throw down on these boards, you need to see things in a dynamic light, not some static intellectual cage.

This pool may not be right for you, so I sincerely hope that you find one that suits your expectations. I believe that you average miner wants every miner to be pulling in their share since it keeps things moving along. We got into ming partly as a hobby, but also because if done correctly, you'll earn more BTC for less out put that if you simply purchased at the exchange. With mining, you get a steady stream regardless of exchange value. utilizing you earned BTC at higher exchange rates just helps you maximize the investment.

 You have no chance to rise above your station in life comrade.  Your efforts are for the good of all.  You shall not benefit from your efforts beyond the average level of your hashing power.


If you have 1.2 TH/s you have no room to bitch. You already have improved your station comparatively against fellow miners, so that talk is nonsense. It's also more than just mining. You have to set your BTC in motion to work for you when the exchange rate is at your advantage. Don't go acting like to represent the common man, however (would like to point out that this is a very socialist meme as well, which is cool, as I like irony). You've already shown your cards and that you come from a position where you can drop about $6000 more than I was able to.

As for the info out there, it can be confusing. I agree. It takes months of discussion, reading, research, and asking questions. Why didn't ask the people here questions before you accused pools to be a 'communist' plot. No, you got all pissed off because you felt entitled, partly because you didn't understand that you hadn't done any more work than anyone else, and threw a hissy fit. This is unfortunate, as people here could have helped, and would have gladly done so. It would have saved you frustration, and the scorn of many participants here.

I do wish you the best of luck, but you were really talking out of school. There re legitimate complaints for sure, but this wasn't relay one of them. Don't let my low post number fool you. I've been t this for a while. I'm not as into understanding every aspect as some, as I like to find a good pool and stick with it until I find it unreliable, as in the pool doesn't work properly, and the site is just the graphic interface that is occasionally of consequence in my view. Try mining PeerCoin sometime. It's the opposite. The states and web pages are pretty, but the pools are buggy as hell. I don't recall this pool being down in the ~4 months or so I've been using it exclusively. I could be mistaken, but don't think so.

If the info around the web isn't helpful, ask your peers. Good luck to you wherever you end up, and drop the paranoia communist plot BS. regardless of any system, people of lesser means have to come together. It wasn't different in the gold rush when smaller prospectors hd to go up against the comstocks. We're heading in the direction. If we want to keep earning, we need each other and have to subside to the reality that you earn what you contribute. I don't see any alternative that is fairer to the community.

I guess this topic is really been beaten to death now. lol Good luck.
full member
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<< oooops! did I just respond to a troll ? >>

I tought it might be a troll too, but I chose to respond because the response had worthwhile thing to be said for anybody.
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Thanks for the quote,

You are welcome. And yes, this forum contains way too much information, my brain demands a direct link. :-)
newbie
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Thanks for the quote,
I missed that post from March 15.
Honestly mostly skimm read as there are so many posts on thread, let alone  the entire fourm.
full member
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Just wondering if anyone else has got any NMC payouts lately?

Did you read at least the latest 10 postings?

WK mentioned in his last post that he's holding off on NMC payments until the latest mess is sorted.
newbie
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Just wondering if anyone else has got any NMC payouts lately?
I used to get a payout approx. once every two days.  I have not recieved one since the 9th.
I did have to re-input my NMC address after it was cleared out.
Thanks
legendary
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According to the current payout queue, the top 5 are 1+ month old.  And I think someone stated that there was finally a payout recently where a LOT of folks were finally paid.  So I'm not sure the "months" statement is wrong.  (But I am new here..)

M

Because they hadn't met their configured minimum payouts sooner.

Yup.  What Luke-Jr said.

That's part of the problem.  A lot of misinformation or misinterpretation of information, and poor assumptions based on that.

Not meaning to single you out mdude77.  Like I said it's a misconception of way too many who post here.

Maybe someone "in the know" can update the help page?  I did read the info there, more than once, before I started posting in this thread.  The information doesn't always make sense (to me atleast), and googling can sometimes lead to contradictory information.

M
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Oh look at Mr Bling Bling here with deep pockets.

It wasn't intended that way at all.

It's a subtle reminder to some that if you happen to be stretching yourself thin enough financially that you can't manage a small amount of payout variance in a completely optional and largely superfluous activity, you need to do a healthy amount of re-examination.

And in that tenor I was offering to help those who find themselves in that position the opportunity to maybe afford to eat while they do? Since the implication that was being stated was their mining actitivy was the means to a majority of their living expenses and their funds were so short that could not afford even a few days wait in being paid.
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Thanks for the info everyone on how the payout queue works.  I feel better about it now. Smiley

We're all here (hopefully) to learn and help others learn.  Asking questions is part of learning.  Sometimes even challenging questions.  But the sense of entitlement a lot of the posts here have - not yours of course - gets a bit ridiculous.

Thankfully wk created this new thread so he can prune out the really unhelpful troll posts.  Which were... uhhh.... plentiful at times in the old thread?  lol
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