Topic: Elliot Rodger Killed 7 and Wounded 7 (Read 1891 times)

Exactly, gun banning would be just the same as banning knifes but even If knifes banned you can find or make your self a sharp thing enough to kill, If you want to kill you can find anything even with a wooden staff you can kill or even with your bare hands. So the weapons or Items are not a problem , we need to work more with people so they would be happier with their life but there will always be people with ill mind, so It's just even some kind of natural thing, we have a lot of bad and good things on this world and that's what It's made of.

TV and materialistic girl.

Interesting discussion. I think thous of us who were raised around guns our whole life do not see the gun as anything special. People I know who were grew up in cities only hear about guns in association with violence and think of guns as having some kind of power over the user. For example "I think that guns cause people to just grab the gun and kill other people..." or "we were fighting and the gun went off". (The latter is what people guilty of murder say in court.)
If you and all your friends have guns growing up, then you think more about the actions of the shooter and what he/she did wrong. The gun did not make all this pain happen. The gun was deliberately loaded, chambered, aimed and fired by a person who chose to do that. It is that persons fault and they should pay for it.
My understanding is that this particular shooter first killed three people with a knife. So where is the knife ban? He killed just as many with his knife. But there wont be a knife ban simply because we all own knives and it seems like an irrelevant factor. Well, that is what a gun ban looks like to us who also own guns. A distraction from the actions of the killer.

Firstly I didn't fully understand If he is sane minded or he had BIG psychological problems , I bet he did so he was a psycho (Ill minded)

I don't think It's TV and I don't know about the parents. But indeed It's naive thinking that If you have money you have everything. Well actually you can buy almost anything for money except love. He could of bought a hooker. But he can't buy feelings. He just was with injured mind and of course his thinking was totally wrong.

In addition to his extreme narcissism, the thing that really left me amazed is all its own set of arguments like: "I ​​own 300 Dollarz glasses so all girls must be mine."

I wonder how a man can have thoughts that are so materialistic. Parents? TV america?

Yes but what I wanted to say in conclusion that there are and there will always be psycho people like in this situation and how Is It possible to stop them ? prohibiting weapons? Ok, he'll make a bomb then which will take even more lifes off. Till we'll have psycho people we can't prevent this. In case we would prohibit to buy all the dangerous materials used to make bombs all the weapons even knifes, which you could get only with license?

Ofcourse people who are really crazy and want to kill alot of people will do that.
But when you dont have acces to a gun at all and it's really hard to find one in your country to.
It's a totally different story because the option to kill people with a gun isnt even a option because you cant get a gun.
Ofcourse you could get a big knife and stab people and the real crazy will do that, but for a few people I think killing with a gun is much easier then with a knife!
Just because with a knife kill you have to be close to the victim and stab him it's much harder up close and personal.
Plus the victim can defend himself much easier, then with shooting with a gun from a distance.

I don't think so that If he couldn't buy a gun he would just of killed himself by just jumping in front of the train. He wanted to kill those people to "revenge'' that girls ignored him. Yes It Is easier to kill with gun and you can kill more with gun but If he was about to kill people no guns wouldn't of stopped him he would just knifed few or made homemade bomb or something else there is so much options  prohibiting guns wouldn't be a solution I think If psycho decided to kill he will and probably no one will stop him.

I think that guns cause people to just grab the gun and kill other people with it very easily, maybe if they didn't have acces to a gun so easily they wouldve just jumped infront of the train.
Here in The Netherlands we had a gun shooting incident a few years ago, it also was a guy that had easily acces to guns because his father was a member of the gunshooting range.
And ofcourse guns has to do with that, its the best tool designed to hurt/kill people fast, If all the people that jumped infront of the trains in The Netherlands would have easy acces to a gun, atleast 1 wouldve grabbed it, and kill more people with it instead just himself.

There's a huge difference between a hammer and a gun. How many hammer spree killings have there been in America? Now I'm just playing devils advocate here, but does America allow people to own rocket launchers and grenades and anti-aircraft guns amongst other things? If murder is part of us then should we be allowed to murder away with any weapons we choose?

I`m still kind of shocked that this event ever happened.

The dude was well off then most people in america, and yet this happens? I didnt read his long 8 pages of about his age details, so I`m glazing over things but in life there is always options..

When someone is killed with a hammer no one wants a hammer ban. Yet if it's a gun, then the gun must be at fault. Perhaps it gives people a sense of control to blame a gun rather than face the fact that psychopathic monsters walk among us. If this nut had no access to guns he would have run his victims over with a car or something.
Murder is a common and widespread human behavior. Guns have nothing to do with that. There will always be such people and the best we can do is help them when we can, and help ourselves when we fail.   

Sure they could help, but most nutters aren't going to admit they're going to go on a killing spree to them in advance so there's nothing they can do. And he could take care of himself. You cant just lock people up without good reason. Nobody thought he was a danger to others apart from shortly before the incident. And you don't go see a therapist and then they give you some drugs and then you're magically no longer a danger to society.

Why you think psychologist can't help? They know all the levels and forms of depressions or Illness If they decided that the person can't take care of him self and live normal life they would probably take him to hospital where he would see therapists and psychologists everyday , he would get medicine everyday. If they decided that the person needs care from other people government should take care of him in institutions like hospitals or other special institutions they just can't leave them on their own because things like these happen.

He did kill some people with knives, but how many mass school knifing rampages do you hear about people going on? You can't compare knives to guns in this respect.

And you keep referring to psychologist and therapists as if they could've somehow prevented this. Seeing one doesn't magically cure you of your illness or mental instability.

You think guns Is the problem? He decided to kill people he could of done It with knife, no need guns, that's not a problem. Problem Is psychological  and that's what psychologists are for, It all about the person not guns at least in my opinion.

Oh really, I was unaware of that.  I didn't really watch much of the video, had to stop watching. Mostly just read his manifesto. Aspergers fit though with his messed up reasoning.  I used to have this one friend, his nickname was "The relentless"  He would walk down the bar at the night club and ask every women to dance, wouldn't matter if he got shot down, he would keep going until he either danced or ran out of women, LOL!

I see it more and more these days with the younger generation.  Social media and video games are killing their social skills.  They don't know how to interact with each other in person anymore.  Gone are days of talking in a social setting, they sit locked to their cell phones and/or tablets.



There does need to be some kind of background check, obvious ones more strict than what happened in this case. My understanding in California is that you go in, have to fill out some paperwork to the DOJ, and wait 10 days while they do a background check.

I know Americans hate the idea, but they need to adopt similar laws like we have in Canada. Now I am only talking about the laws when it comes to obtaining firearms, the rest of the firearms laws up here are ridiculous!

I had to take 2 courses, one to own non restricted weapons (rifles) and own to own restricted weapons (handguns) Each course has 2 tests, written and practical.  You need to get over 80% on both tests.  You then have to fill this out and send it in the the RCMP: http://cfa-ltd.ca/files/921-eng.pdf.

You wait roughly 45 days for you to get a license, if you pass the requirements.

You can then go to the gun store and purchase your firearm.  You fill out some more forms and wait for those to go through, roughly a couple weeks.  We also have to keep all handguns unloaded, trigger locked and locked in a case or safe.

The gun laws in Canada are getting out of hand though.  It comes down to the fact the RCMP and government want to remove all guns from the responsible gun owners.  I guess they somehow figure criminals will listen.

The government wants gun control to keep population in check.

We need some more reinforcement on purchasing guns.. esp when certain states dont even have you need paper work.

Spoiled kids out of control in the West.

They need to understand basic respect and only keep what they earn.