Topic: end of all signature campaigns (Read 1909 times)

It could end if client's ran out.
It would be good if we could try to market, advertise, provide referral incentives.
Help to keep this community going.

A signature campaign is organized by company who want to promote/advertise their services, but they pay good to their campaigners.
If you have Time, knowledge about bitcoins and have mobile or PC  you can earn money from this.
This thing will never end until demand and supply for bitcoins are there.
Though mass information is available about bitcoin on internet, people still believe in bitcoin signature forum.
Here the share or ask their questions, get solved their quarries.
This helps in advertising bitcoin indirectly.
Also signature campaign companies are getting good income from this activity.
So why one would close signature campaing. 

much better if they will just leave because it can bring back the good old forum with good quality contents and yes i agree that signature campaign and bounty campaign are the main reasons why there were more registered users here lately in the forum and i know that they only care about free money and working at home online , joining and promoting those crap coins.  as a result , the site now  looks unhealthy because of their garbage that made the forum looks polluted.

I think more member here in forum will left because signature campaign is reason why more users enter in this forum it is the method which give them huge income and this method not requires investment. But me i do not left in this forum i learn lots of things about digital currency and what is the uses of this also there are other method that we can do as our source of bitcoin but i am hoping that signature campaigns, bounties will not end and continue to create more projects in crypto currency and make this forum much give more learning for all members.

That would be absolutely wonderful.  Every night I pray to my favorite god for that to happen.

I would love for traffic to drop because the quality traffic will remain, making it a much better site. I already have most of the sig campaign posters in my ignore list, so I don't think that I will miss anything.

Yeah, I think it's probably pretty much original to this forum (though others have followed suit now (Roger Ver's one I believe)), but I'm guessing you haven't seen people shitposting as prolifically as they do here on any other forum either, because people are so desperate to earn as much as they can over as many accounts as they can possibly manage. Lazy campaigns need to be harshly punished and until they are nothing will change around here.

No doubt that traffic will drop considerably ...
I like the signatures campaigns , I found it very original, I had never seen it in other forums.

Well the traffic and activity of this forum will be decreased significantly if that happens.
Lets hope it does not.

I totally agree with you and I expressed something similar in my former comment on this post although I didn’t know about bitcoin.com and Roger Ver.

I think one thing is to clean the forum of obvious shitposters and clear spam and another thing is to go too far as to leave only high quality posting and get rid of campaigns which would kill this forum and leave others (like bitcoin.com) the opportunity to take its place and get traffic and revenue transferred there.

For now, I can see that there still will be a lot of campaigns that are coming but always keep in mind that this thing can't be permanent. Posting is not a professional skill so you really need to have any skills that you can rely once it ends.

I agree that there's a ton of shitposters that can't speak english properly trying to get bitcoins. I understand it, because on third world countries, they make more doing so than on some enslaving physical labour, but we have to keep some decorum on the forum. Completely shutting down signature campaigns on the forum would be a huge mistake tho.

There will always be a demand for this, and guess what will happen if you get rid of the signature campaigns: Bitcoin.com (owned by Roger Ver) would advertise his site as signature campaign friendly. This would mean a massive increase of traffic on their site, which would end up in a better ranked website on google searches than this site, and we don't want Bitcoin.com to become the number one ranked bitcoin forum for obvious reasons.

So I say keep the signatures, just ban the obvious 30 post a day shitposters and it will be good enough. It's worth the hassle, you don't want bitcoin.com becoming a dominant forum and believe me, traffic is key to rank good on google, so don't claim you are losing money because people would buy the native ad spaces on here, the better ranking due increased traffic is worth the money, and google doesn't care about what users are posting, as long as they are legit users and not bots it qualifies as legit traffic that will help you rank.

Don't forget that Ver has two goals:

1) Turn /btc/ as the better ranked Bitcoin reddit
2) Turn his website has teh better ranked Bitcoin forum

Anything that helps this not happening is welcomed.

There is a reason for the campaigns to end.  They destroy the forum's content quality.  However, from a business perspective, the reasons for the campaigns to end would be reduced advertising revenue or a decrease in user participation on the site.  If that day ever comes, I imagine we would see action similar to what I have proposed previously...  Adding a 2 BTC donation level (perhaps contributor) and removing or severely restricting signatures from all non-donation accounts.  This would boost forum advertising revenue and increase donations while providing increased income for those willing to invest in the site.  Doing this before advertising revenue or site participation begins to decline threatens to harm your userbase and thus growth by removing a source of income for new user participation not to mention preemptively firing a weapon for fighting future revenue declines.  I imagine at some point this site will shift gears from fostering growth to unlocking value, but I suspect that day is a long way off.

I agree with you sir. As long as bitcoin lives, more people become aware and the popularity of it increases then I doubt that signature campaigns will soon end.

What factors caused no campaign or should close this forum? But I do not think there will be one reason to close this forum, there will be a lot of consideration to be done. This forum is the most powerful tool for campaigning, as omegastarscream staff says,
The more people joining this forum, the better putting a campaign here. Chances are very small, I will also be confused if that happens.

There's no reason for campaigns to end. First, the developers of this site is earning good money. Same goes with the users of this site. So, I think it's impossible for the owner and the users to abandon or close this site. However, maybe it's possible if one day the web site will crash for no reason or if it's hacked.

There is a saying that There's no Forever.
Which actually true ( For me ). Maybe After How many years of making bitcoin a good Foundation for the currency all over the world.
but saying that bitcoin will end.? it will never happen. maybe also signature campaigns will end if there is no more Projects to be advertise. but the more the technology is upgrading and gadgets are improving, i don't think that campaigns will end. power of Internet is beyond Limit. Through campaigns, traffics is affiliated, cycle of earning Money. people always seeks money.

It's a great advantage for between side !

Side 1 : Forum able gain revenue for advertising through auction and traffic
Side 2 : More people visit the forum because they got paid by the company who want to advertise on this forum

I think that can never happen. Though, i think there will be a decrease on ICOs if other countries will ban it, then signature and other campaigns will be affected as well. This forum has been generating a lot of traffic nowadays as more people globally has been turning to cryptocurrency.

Somebody already asked for this back in 2014:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/just-remove-signatures-already-as-in-delete-disable-gone-786662

but Theymos decided to keep allowing signature campaigns.

Pity.

I think it will not end because this forum is a great factor to many companies on how it advertised their products and it is really a big influencer in the marketing world. If signature campaign would end I know many would be upset if its happen because some only rely to that and not only signature campaign but also the bounty campaign here in forum, I think many would leave for good but forum I think will still be a place for crypto enthusiastic people and would never end, because knowledge about how to earn crypto to others will also be a factor to gain some BTC again.

in this case on the project will remain true connoisseurs of this trend, but still the site as a place for discussion of projects and technical issues will live on

Soon after joining this forum I became aware of the signature campaigns spamming problem in it as it can be seen in a post I opened: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/poor-english-careless-writing-ranks-and-signature-campaigns-2111476

But after a bit longer in the forum I’ve come to realize that there is a kind of obsession with quality posts that I haven’t seen in other forums.

What makes a forum important is not quality posting but the amount of crap in it.

Crappy posting and traffic go hand in hand, and in the internet world you are nobody if you don’t generate traffic.

A forum is not an Encyclopedia, it is part of the entertainment industry. It is not a place where people go to just get information, it is a place where people exchange opinions.

So, what I’ve seen is people defending that this should be a place for only quality posts but what that would mean if it was done in hard mode is that some entire sections of the forum would have to be deleted and most posts closed for new replies after the first page.

What is normal is that the more specific and technical a section is, the less traffic and spam it has. That is what happens in all forums I’ve seen.
Most forums have quite a lot of trash in the General section or equivalent, like Bitcoin Discussion in this forum, although people do not get paid for writing. Usually those sections account for most of traffic and are what make forum important but they are full of low-quality opinionated replies.

In my view, quality should not matter as much in sections like “Bitcoin Discussion” as in more technical ones like “Mining” or “Development and Technical Discussion”.

Although, as I have said in other posts on this subject, I favor measures to reduce spamming and I already report people and have taken other personal measures, like not replying to most newbie (silly) posts.

If signature campaigns ended I would still come to the forum although there would be less traffic and less crap, and I would also earn bitcoins in another way, or maybe I would even buy them.

I think Bitcoin will never be left behind as it is the main Bitcoin forum and is the place to exchange information and exchange between Bitcoiners. Besides, I believe the signature campaigns will continue because it aims to introduce and promote campaigns as well as new currencies. So, I think that's your mistake

It doesn't cost anything to pre-mine a crapcoin and pay unlimited users in it. You don't even have to monitor participants; just accept unlimited users (including newbies - because why the hell not?) who will post any old crap without consequence. Why would anyone purchase ad slots when you can just do this? That's the problem here. Signature campaigns clearly work. I wouldn't even be aware of 99% of shitcoin ICOs if it wasn't for the tribes of shitposters spamming nonsense everywhere whereas I barely notice the one forum ad.

I disagree. The cost of getting a bunch of Hero/Sr signatures plastered all over the Bitcoin forum with a bunch of shitposters who will spam is about .0225 per person per week (they will post a lot for such an amount). In equivalence of the cheapest ad spot that was auctioned (1.2 BTC), 53 participants can participate in this campaign. 53 participants at 30 posts a week means that you'll see 1590 posts across the forum, most likely in the crappiest but high-density viewing spots.

We'll be looking at Bitcoin Discussion, Economics [Speculation], Gambling [+ discussion], Altcoin sections. Since shitposters will continue to litter amongst one another they will also continue to participate in these places and you'll see that demographic exposed to your ads as well.

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It seems more efficient to simply create shitty campaigns and hire low-brow participants to spread your product in their waste.

You could probably even get by with .015 pp / week, making it 80 participants for the same price as the cheapest slot.

There is no such 'go-to-place'.You can follow dedicated posters on bitcointalk as well.Like I personally love checking out Danny's,Rico's previous posts as they're informative .Bit of a work but if you know the right people,forum could be a nice place to learn.Having said that,selective bloggers on Medium also give nice insights on latest crypto stuff and such.

Any advice on other forums to read, or where legit posters have gone?  I know anonymint is on Steemit and github, Twitter is dece, some subreddits are good, also Telegram/Slack.

So? That's a good thing.

No. Stop spamming your two line bullish everywhere.

That user is a spammer; therefore, why would it see anything wrong when they're doing the same thing?

In a few years? You're stuck in the past. This has been going on for quite some time already. The majority of legitimate posters have left. Not everyone has a high level of tolerance, and eventually you just want to give up due to theymoses complete lack of action.

Really?  You see nothing wrong with completing filling the forum with shit posts by posters that are paid to shill a coin? 

In a few years people are going to wonder where all the legitimate posters went because 99% of the posts will just be shit posts that add no value by people trying to reach their 30 posts a week so they can pocket a few bucks. 

Signature campaigns is a very useful marketing strategy to promote new sites, and forums are the best place to get a lot of information on the topics you are interested about because there will be a lot of helpful users around the forum assisting you on the problem you might be facing in the crypto-currencies world. So I would say if this forum exists, I don't see any particular reason to stop all signature campaign here.

What will happen? Shitposters like you and me will disapear and will be look like this after they stop all the signature campaigns or bounty campaigns. we will be collecting trash and garbage just to make money.

I think until the advertiser's communication fails, the campaign will end. If the campaign ends then you will do another campaign or use a different bitcoin to earn more money and forums will share experiences for newbie 

I'm just new here, now I feel better because I was curious too if ever it's possible if signature campaigns will end. My brother has been joining signature campaigns for years now, and he already earned a lot because of it.

I think it will affect the promotion strategy of the new businesses related to the cryptos, we have seen in the past that many new service providers are running the signature campaigns to promote their business.

Not necessarily. The person running the account can just continue to do so off the forum, where the trust rating of the account is no longer relevant.

The only way signature campaign will stop is if this forum is closed or banned from operations, cause other crypto forums I have come across does not support or have any signature campaign activities.

Regulate signatures? better to tag anyone hiring shitposters, problem solved.

It's not that difficult and several solutions have already been suggested but met with complete silence. The easiest one to enforce would be if you start a signature campaign here and it's clear that you're just accepting hundreds to unlimited users without monitoring the quality of the content then you get a warning to clean your campaign up within a week and if you don't your account is banned, your thread(s) trashed and any user still carrying their signature will have it forcibly removed. This is what was meant to happen with the signature campaign guidelines but they're pointless when theymos won't enforce them. Signatures also need to be removed from rank/activity somehow to stop the ludicrous amounts of account farming that is going on and people literally having hundreds of accounts to milk signature campaigns dry. As long as you can easily join the dozens of crapcoin campaigns that pop up every month with hundreds of accounts you've easily farmed by shitposting then nothing is going to change and the content of the forum is just going to get worse daily because the more people realise they can get away with it.


And it could be doing even better if signature campaigns were banned and replaced with forum adverts. The forum would also then be readable, you know, how it actually should be. And buying a forum advert isn't better. There's only one of them, they're barely noticeable, and they're expensive in comparison to if you run a crapcoin campaign and pay your users in your pre-mined shitcoin so you're literally getting free advertising to have your advert plastered all over the forum by shitposters.

If we were to be honest here, we would say that literally almost nothing is being done from the administration. Hilariousandco is alone, and badly in need of backup. Theymos still refuses to appoint a secondary global moderator. Policies are not being changed. Of course it is *hard to address* when you're doing nothing.

It most certainly is not. Minus a small group of people familiar with technical, this place would easily hit a top ranking on a list of the worst communities of the internet when it comes to the quality of content. The average IQ, based off of responses, is probably <90.

You're an idiot.

Hell no I'm not going anywhere.  In addition,  your PMs are now blocked,  AND you got a nice, fresh neg for threatening me.   Feel better now?

I have written that I'm ignorant of the technicals of bitcoin, just as I'm ignorant of how the banking system works.  That's totally irrelevant and doesn't mean I can't use them.  And I'm not here to make money.   Nor can you argue that my English is anywhere near as bad as 99% of shitposters on bct.  You just don't like my opinions.  Well, that's tough shit, get over yourself.

Signature campaigns are made to advertise things such as projects,coins or services once people lost interest in bitcointalk may be the end of the campaigns and is unluckly happening ever. As Pharmacist always says, there are lot of shit posters and account farmers involved in the campaigns with all the new managers/scammers around making profit with their alts on campaigns something thatfor me is out of control right now.

There's a shitpost made just for money, indicating that you have neither dignity (see hilarious's awesome picture) nor a brain in your skull.  I would love to see sig campaigns end, just for the comfort it would bring me knowing that the Philippines has to actually go work for a living.  It's too easy around here.  It's also less like a forum and more like some awful social welfare office.

9.7* 4k =  38800,00   8days
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I think the forum is still doing pretty well.
Buying ad on the forums is still better than a signature. And they do not need to manage anything.

Still, the Law of supply and demands applies. But when there are no "products to promote" and there are no willing to pay then we have to find another way to earn those bitcoins. Besides we have skill to offer also aside from being campaigners.

Funny and true.  A hard problem to address fairly though.

I certainly don't feel like a winner reading some of the utter shit people post for their signatures. This thread is a perfect example.

It's funny reading through some of the nonsensical posts here. It shows how desperate certain people are where they try to convince themselves that signature campaigns are a necessity to this ecosystem.

We all know that people here only care about their 'earnings' vanishing if signature campaigns stop existing for whatever reason ~ it's far too easy reading through all posts here.

Signature campaigns are a bonus being given to people for something they already do, and definitely not a job. People here act like its a job and start demanding higher pay rates in some cases.

If ALL the signature campaign ends. It just means that nobody wants to work or earn anymore. The purpose of the signature campaign is to promote something that sells something. If ALL of it ends at the same time it means that they are not interested in earning money anymore. Maybe all of them have won the lottery or something and they all want to retire and end the cycle of promotion in this fora. And retire with lots of money.

I was wondering whether I should post something like that as soon as I've read the OP, and the following replies, but nicely done. OP got roasted.



Which is why signature campaigns need to be heavily regulated/moderated or completely shut down. I agree.

Stop spamming with your bullshit, idiot.

There are a lot of people who earn money from the signature campaigns and am sure that it's going to be very unbearable for them when that happens and I really don't see signature campaigns ending as long as there is bitcoins in the system. So that's nearly impossible.

What will happen? Shitposters like you will disappear and the forum will stop looking like this:




The forum loses money by allowing signature campaigns here. Most businesses/projects don't bother buying ads when they can have their signatures plastered all over the forum for free as opposed to buying one tiny, barely noticeable ad slot.

It's not likely to happen in the near future. A huge amount for users visit Bitcointalk every day because they are participating in signature campaigns which allow them to earn their first bitcoin. I agree that there are many off-topic and low quality posts but there's nothing we can do about it. Banning them is not a good idea. They are one of the best sources of advertisment for new projects.

Things are interrelated to each other
Why owners of website stop campaign when they are generating good money from it.
And why people leave forum when they are getting paid to use it.

Most of you say that it won’t happen. I agree that it won’t in a short period of time but in, maybe 10 years, it could happen.

We are seeing a crypto-related boom but it is a possible scenario that in 10 years there are no ICOs, or maybe not nearly as many as today. The speed we are seeing now will stop or at least slow down at some point. Fewer cryptos, fewer ICOs, less advertising and probably less traffic on this site. I don't know when but it is likely to happen.

I think it's not going to end, many companies are adopting it and they see that it's a beautiful twist to better identify their services / products and so on. We know today that many companies are fighting and they are raising their promotions.

business will still be open from time to time and signature campaign might be needed still I hope to see that it will continue as I'm still in the process of learning this type of extra earnings and I want to participate once my account already reached the minimum requirements.

This sound quite unlikely because all these signature campaigns and other bounty campaigns are helping different crypto related businesses to get good targeted traffic at good rate which they can't get from any other way.

Also there is not enough advertising spaces available in this forum which can be sold to all those projects that want to get their ad posted in each section of this forum. Signature campaign is good for them to get their banner posted around the forum for minimum price.

I think it would not close this forum, but it would affect dramatically to the number of users. It would be really bad for people that through signature campaigns earn only money for investing in crypto cc.

Only those social media campaign will be running eventually. But I don't think this forum will close all these campaign though.
This is one of the few things that makes the ball rolling.

I dont think it can happen, because the companies receive good advertising with them
As you can see there are a lot of signature campaigns, specially for alternative coins

The signatures campaigns will end only If:

1. The forum is closed for one reason or another.
2. Not enough traffic.

Both seem unlikely (mostly the second) because more users are joining the crypto scene and their first destination is these forums, the more users, the more traffic and the more advertisers will pay to place signatures and ads for their products and services.

what will happen if all signature campaigns end,? whereas most of us look for bitcoin through campaigns.
is it possible that this forum will be left behind, ..?
I also may be confused when this happens