Topic: Just remove signatures already. As in delete, disable, gone. (Read 44870 times)
Locking because nothing is happening about this and the last several pages are just people looking for a place to post for their sig campaign
December 27, 2015, 01:55:22 AM
anyway, I used the list for pretty long time and thanks for your endless work on it.
For some reason, I seem to be on the list for the last two months, even though I had replaced my paid sig with one of my "funny" message everyday.-snip-
Like it or not the very purpose of this forum is now for people to earn micropayments through posting (no matter how poor quality the posts are).
Well even if I do agree that the quality of the forum is going low, choosing between the two is a hard decision:Like it or not the very purpose of this forum is now for people to earn micropayments through posting (no matter how poor quality the posts are).
1) Disable paid signature, lose 1000s of users coming for getting paid by them, lose pretty much all of the ad revenue/traffic stats as well.
2) Let things be, or maybe , lower the criteria for getting banned. Lose the respected member slowly, but nearly no difference in ad revenues/traffic stats.
P.S: Anyone who has Danny's ignore list, will ofc, not see this post
December 26, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
I'll still peek in on "Development & Technical Discussion" and "Technical Support" just so I keep aware of any new developments, and I'll stay subscribed to the mailing lists, but I may not maintain my ignore list or bother posting here much anymore.
anyway, I used the list for pretty long time and thanks for your endless work on it. I had same feeling as you have tbh. My impression is, that only non-paid posts (so disabled ads) may improve quality of whole board. Until this moment, we will have repetitive bullshit, useless replies and endless threads about nothing..
December 26, 2015, 10:12:34 AM
You are wrong here Lauda. People do not use search function because the search function does not allow you to search multiple times and you will have to wait for 50 seconds before searching again. So they start a new thread without wasting their time for waiting for 50 more seconds!
December 26, 2015, 10:10:26 AM
The reality is that very helpful forum posters such as @DannyHamilton are talking about leaving (with many others having already left as Danny has a lot more patience than most people) and unfortunately his sage advice will be replaced by many stupid suggestions from useless posters (that could actually cause people to lose Bitcoin) just to increase their post count for financial reward.
I pretty much now only post in the more technical areas of this forum and don't post so much at all (like Danny I am thinking to pay much less attention to following the forum in 2016).
It is disappointing to some of us more seasoned forum members that this is what has happened but "c'est la vie" I guess that soon anyone actually wanting "technical advice" about Bitcoin will steer clear of this forum and look elsewhere (that would pretty much be my advice to anyone asking me about where to find good technical information about Bitcoin now).
Like it or not the very purpose of this forum is now for people to earn micropayments through posting (no matter how poor quality the posts are).
I pretty much now only post in the more technical areas of this forum and don't post so much at all (like Danny I am thinking to pay much less attention to following the forum in 2016).
It is disappointing to some of us more seasoned forum members that this is what has happened but "c'est la vie" I guess that soon anyone actually wanting "technical advice" about Bitcoin will steer clear of this forum and look elsewhere (that would pretty much be my advice to anyone asking me about where to find good technical information about Bitcoin now).
Like it or not the very purpose of this forum is now for people to earn micropayments through posting (no matter how poor quality the posts are).
December 26, 2015, 10:09:10 AM
You are wrong here Lauda. People do not use search function because the search function does not allow you to search multiple times and you will have to wait for 50 seconds before searching again. So they start a new thread without wasting their time for waiting for 50 more seconds!
So, you're saying that people would rather wait several hours to have someone post an answer which has already been posted rather than waiting 50 seconds to get the same answer? Nice excuse, at least you tried. December 26, 2015, 10:05:48 AM
I don't mind people asking technical questions; I dislike people who fail to use the search function
You are wrong here Lauda. People do not use search function because the search function does not allow you to search multiple times and you will have to wait for 50 seconds before searching again. So they start a new thread without wasting their time for waiting for 50 more seconds!
December 26, 2015, 10:01:54 AM
The high quality posters are the far minority here. They mostly consider 90% of the non-technical posters here to add nothing with value. Their standards are simply too high for the time that we are currently in. Bitcoin attracts people, the majority of them don't know much about the technical aspects of Bitcoin. And the others are looking to make a quick buck and spam the speculation section with unrealitic high predictions, etc. What can you do about this when paid signature campaigns are not allowed anymore? Nothing more than what is currently happening.
I don't mind people asking technical questions; I dislike people who fail to use the search function and create duplicate threads. The problem ATM is reposting what has been said already (but formulated in their own words) and the off-topic section. Those daily threads about drinks and whatnot are really useless spam. Also "vs" threads would be better if they had polls instead of everyone (majority) posting their subjective views and thus reducing the overall quality of the posts around here. Getting rid of signature campaigns will decrease the amount of nonsense posts here, but it won't do much in terms of improving post quality once paid signatures are gone. The majority of the discussions are relatively low of quality, and will stay relatively low of quality.
I disagree. Once there is no incentive for spam, most of the spam will be gone. December 26, 2015, 09:28:29 AM
Just perm ban anyone with a paid signature, that would clean things up.
Why do they need to perma ban those people who have a paid signature?You think it will be the best solution for what's happening right now?
I think it is not a good solution.
If you really want to see if this forum will be pristine clear and spam free I suggest forum Staff 'pause' all signature campaigns for 1 month.
After that time you will see for yourself if spamming ceased and all that left are intelligent and meaningful posts and smart people.
The high quality posters are the far minority here. They mostly consider 90% of the non-technical posters here to add nothing with value. Their standards are simply too high for the time that we are currently in. Bitcoin attracts people, the majority of them don't know much about the technical aspects of Bitcoin. And the others are looking to make a quick buck and spam the speculation section with unrealitic high predictions, etc. What can you do about this when paid signature campaigns are not allowed anymore? Nothing more than what is currently happening.
Getting rid of signature campaigns will decrease the amount of nonsense posts here, but it won't do much in terms of improving post quality once paid signatures are gone. The majority of the discussions are relatively low of quality, and will stay relatively low of quality.
December 26, 2015, 08:46:10 AM
Just perm ban anyone with a paid signature, that would clean things up.
Why do they need to perma ban those people who have a paid signature?You think it will be the best solution for what's happening right now?
I think it is not a good solution.
If you really want to see if this forum will be pristine clear and spam free I suggest forum Staff 'pause' all signature campaigns for 1 month.
After that time you will see for yourself if spamming ceased and all that left are intelligent and meaningful posts and smart people.
December 26, 2015, 07:08:55 AM
Just perm ban anyone with a paid signature, that would clean things up.
Why do they need to perma ban those people who have a paid signature?You think it will be the best solution for what's happening right now?
I think it is not a good solution.
December 23, 2015, 10:38:28 PM
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I think Reddit (even with all it's insanity) has now surpassed this site as a source of useful information and discussion.
I think Reddit (even with all it's insanity) has now surpassed this site as a source of useful information and discussion.
I've never really used reddit. I've tried to check it out a couple of times but it just doesn't seem to click with the way my mind organizes things. I may give it another try.
I'm giving careful consideration to taking a serious break from bitcoin discussion in 2016. This forum has become just barely interesting anymore, and the effort to find the discussions worth participating in doesn't really seem worth it. Life is getting busy, and the noise to signal ratio is so bad here that I don't really feel like anything I have to say makes much of a difference.
I'll still peek in on "Development & Technical Discussion" and "Technical Support" just so I keep aware of any new developments, and I'll stay subscribed to the mailing lists, but I may not maintain my ignore list or bother posting here much anymore.
December 23, 2015, 06:06:42 PM
I bootstrapped my ignore list using DannyHamilton's ignore list, and the result is that 80%-90% of the posts are no longer shown. While that goes a long way towards reducing the time needed to trudge through pages of pointless comments, it also shows how little value there actually is here.
Please don't hate me for saying this, but I think Reddit (even with all it's insanity) has now surpassed this site as a source of useful information and discussion.
this is just my pov.Please don't hate me for saying this, but I think Reddit (even with all it's insanity) has now surpassed this site as a source of useful information and discussion.
not necessarily, reddit has the hivemind mentality where the unpopular opinions get downvoted en masse and are possibly never even seen to a good portion of the comment readers. the popular opinions (obviously) are voted to the top and will be the only 'discussion' thats visible to the great majority of readers that dont bother going through more than a few comments. the echo chamber that results from this doesnt make for actual discussion, where ideas are thrown around and refuted / agreed on. this doesnt happen all the time of course, but a point system that makes comments more or less visible is just bad for actual discussion / debate. then again, its been a while since ive browsed reddit comments.
of course, you probably wont see this post because of DH's ignore list though.
December 23, 2015, 03:58:07 PM
I bootstrapped my ignore list using DannyHamilton's ignore list, and the result is that 80%-90% of the posts are no longer shown. While that goes a long way towards reducing the time needed to trudge through pages of pointless comments, it also shows how little value there actually is here.
Please don't hate me for saying this, but I think Reddit (even with all it's insanity) has now surpassed this site as a source of useful information and discussion.
Please don't hate me for saying this, but I think Reddit (even with all it's insanity) has now surpassed this site as a source of useful information and discussion.
December 22, 2015, 01:59:39 PM
Most of everyone in this thread is saying they agree with OP while having a campaign in their signature. I don't understand.
Sure, it's an easy irony to point out. People aren't usually so careful on internet forums so that's really the explanation. I have an ad in my signature, yet I agree with the OP that sig-ad spam is a problem. I'd like to think that I'm not contributing to that problem because I don't post just to get paid and I report problematic posts when I see them. In any case, the world is a rich and varied place, and many of us agree that sig-ad spam is terrible, yet we like to get paid for our own posts. I think that strictly speaking, this means that I disagree with the OP because I don't want signatures removed as in delete, disable, gone. Yet, I do agree about the problem and I want to see things get better, not worse.
December 22, 2015, 01:27:32 PM
Most of everyone in this thread is saying they agree with OP while having a campaign in their signature. I don't understand.
Sure, it's an easy irony to point out. People aren't usually so careful on internet forums so that's really the explanation. I have an ad in my signature, yet I agree with the OP that sig-ad spam is a problem. I'd like to think that I'm not contributing to that problem because I don't post just to get paid and I report problematic posts when I see them. In any case, the world is a rich and varied place, and many of us agree that sig-ad spam is terrible, yet we like to get paid for our own posts. I think that strictly speaking, this means that I disagree with the OP because I don't want signatures removed as in delete, disable, gone. Yet, I do agree about the problem and I want to see things get better, not worse.
December 22, 2015, 01:05:56 PM
Most of everyone in this thread is saying they agree with OP while having a campaign in their signature. I don't understand.
December 18, 2015, 06:42:51 PM
I'm English, and I find my post quality to be fairly high. If anything, my post quality has mainly improved since joining a signature campaign as I've stopped posting in areas such as Off Topic or Games and Rounds to keep my post quality high.
Sig campaigns greatly reduce the quality of this forum with people who only post for the Bitcoins, even if it is not much. It leaves us skilled computer users dealing with a ton of spam.
While this is my opinion, god damn you seem to have a big ego. Posts like this:I don't need to be a part of this campaign. Most of my time online is spent programming/setting up online businesses. That sure pays more than signature campaigns.
with the only purpose of basically saying "I'm better than you all because I don't need a signature campaign" really make you look like a dick.Also, it's pretty funny that you boast about making so much that you don't need a campaign, yet still recently tried making a bot to rob faucet owners (people trying to make money through web development) for dust without giving them ad revenue. Cunt.
What I found is there is a lot of programming and many other gigs available on this forum and those living in third-world nations should get more skilled
I have just removed my signature campaign. All I have to say is that most people posting in signature campaigns are either people living in third-world countries or people who find way to abuse the signature campaign. Sig campaigns greatly reduce the quality of this forum with people who only post for the Bitcoins, even if it is not much. It leaves us skilled computer users dealing with a ton of spam. What I found is there is a lot of programming and many other gigs available on this forum and those living in third-world nations should get more skilled
That is a case of faulty generalization right there. I'm not living in a third-world country nor am I abusing the campaign (at least that is what I think and so does the manager). My posting habits have not changed since I've joined/changed campaigns. If anything, the amount of posts that I make is lower. While I do agree that most people spam, we can never say that it is the case with everyone. However, I still support disabling signature campaigns/imposing restrictions/other. There is a script which allows you to disable signatures in this forum. You wont have any issues after enabling it. But I personally don't mind the signatures, they're not putting a gun against my head.. 
That does nothing to solve spam. I know for staff is different beacuse you have to read what people write, but I don't 
Technically we don't either; we don't have to do almost anything. However, I think the best way to remove this problem is by tackling its root (they don't have to be necessarily removed, guidelines/restrictions could be made). So you are saying that people in third worlds don't have a right to benefit from Bitcoin? I remember reading some stories about how some guys that were unfortunate to be born in some of these shitholes were making more money thought signature campaigns than they did working a real job (where they are exploited for peanuts). Isn't this beautiful? Bitcoin is liberating people, this should be celebrated in any case.
Anyway, I live in a first world country, and unemployment is only getting worse. Getting some extra bucks a week is greatly appreciated. Removing sig campaigns would be removing an actual use case of Bitcoin that directly benefits real people (both the people getting paid and the people improving traffic into their websites by promoting it through them, not to mention the website itself benefits as traffic is way higher and it ranks better).
I would also stop buying stuff with Bitcoin because I only buy stuff If I get paid with it, buying Bitcoin then buying something with it makes no sense.
If you want to be elitist, maybe you could disable signatures in a specific new subforum called "technical talk" or something, where it's impossible to get paid if you post there, filtering any possible spam. Other than that, doing this with the entire forum is a mistake.
If someone spams, mods see it and ban them already, so this is really a non issue. If the colorful banners offend your eyes, it's also a non issue since disabling ads will be possible soon for Hero+. I personally tried a script when I wasn't in a sig campaign to disable all signatures and the forum looked extremely sameish. My eyes have become used at posts being separated by banners at this point.
December 17, 2015, 07:32:54 AM
All I have to say is that most people posting in signature campaigns are either people living in third-world countries or people who find way to abuse the signature campaign.
I'm English, and I find my post quality to be fairly high. If anything, my post quality has mainly improved since joining a signature campaign as I've stopped posting in areas such as Off Topic or Games and Rounds to keep my post quality high.Sig campaigns greatly reduce the quality of this forum with people who only post for the Bitcoins, even if it is not much. It leaves us skilled computer users dealing with a ton of spam.
While this is my opinion, god damn you seem to have a big ego. Posts like this:I don't need to be a part of this campaign. Most of my time online is spent programming/setting up online businesses. That sure pays more than signature campaigns.
with the only purpose of basically saying "I'm better than you all because I don't need a signature campaign" really make you look like a dick.Also, it's pretty funny that you boast about making so much that you don't need a campaign, yet still recently tried making a bot to rob faucet owners (people trying to make money through web development) for dust without giving them ad revenue. Cunt.
What I found is there is a lot of programming and many other gigs available on this forum and those living in third-world nations should get more skilled
Or maybe they don't want to learn coding, since that isn't for everyone. I've made much more helping people and posting on this forum than I've ever made doing web development jobs. Perhaps you should stop generalizing others to stroke your own ego and go back to doing your well paid development jobs. December 17, 2015, 06:53:20 AM
I have just removed my signature campaign. All I have to say is that most people posting in signature campaigns are either people living in third-world countries or people who find way to abuse the signature campaign. Sig campaigns greatly reduce the quality of this forum with people who only post for the Bitcoins, even if it is not much. It leaves us skilled computer users dealing with a ton of spam. What I found is there is a lot of programming and many other gigs available on this forum and those living in third-world nations should get more skilled
That is a case of faulty generalization right there. I'm not living in a third-world country nor am I abusing the campaign (at least that is what I think and so does the manager). My posting habits have not changed since I've joined/changed campaigns. If anything, the amount of posts that I make is lower. While I do agree that most people spam, we can never say that it is the case with everyone. However, I still support disabling signature campaigns/imposing restrictions/other. There is a script which allows you to disable signatures in this forum. You wont have any issues after enabling it. But I personally don't mind the signatures, they're not putting a gun against my head..
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