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copper member
Activity: 2996
Merit: 2374
September 17, 2018, 12:47:58 AM
#22
I think you should consider the ability to buy merit for yourself. You can already effectively do this by way of purchasing a copper membership. Based upon the fact that well under 1% of active users have received a single merit, there need to be additional ways for people who do not post garbage to rank up.

Buying merit or normal ranks is like buying yourself a bunch of trophies to put on your shelf. It's stupid, and it's an insult to everyone who achieved it legitimately. I can't see ever doing that. I don't particularly mind letting people pay for some of the privileges of these things, such as with copper membership, but it should be a parallel system.

Copper membership is good. Now, if you want to participate in signature campaigns, you can either pay the $10-$20 for copper membership or accomplish the herculean task of making one good post. I don't think that it's unreasonable in either case.

If people are making good posts but are still struggling to get merit, then that's a problem with the merit system and should be fixed on my end. Demanding money in order to bypass a broken system would be really bad. But AFAICT the merit system actually is reasonably effective at identifying good posters.
My concern with the merit system is that I don't think it necessarily identifies "good" posters, but rather identifies posters whose opinions align with those who are considering awarding merit to a particular post.

My concerns are not necessarily regarding needing one merit to achieve Junior member status, in fact I would think it would be net beneficial to require a $10 payment to participate in a signature campaign, although a smaller nominal fee may be beneficial to prevent things like spambots and those who are getting paid to bump ANN threads, although changes to the ordering of threads is probably a better way to address the later issue.

My concern is more surrounding the number of merit required to rank from Member up to Full Member, and higher. Very few people to date have received sufficient merit to rank up to Full Member or higher. I would argue that if someone pays for the benefits of a Full Member status, they have incentives to continue to make not-garbage posts.

I don't think we should do away with the activity system, and believe that activity should continue to play a role in users' ranks.

I currently have received more merit than everyone in the forum except for 218 people, and I have not received sufficient merit to achieve Senior Member status, but am a Legendary member only because I was grandfathered in. However I have pretty much always been able to obtain above market rates for signature deals (even after receiving negative trust) when I have been active and been trying to actively sell my signature. Surely there are more than 220 people who make sufficiently good posts to be a Senior Member.

An ideal system in my view would be for someone to pay maybe a dollar to become a junior member (that would not allow signatures of any kind), pay $10-$20 to become a Member/Copper Member, and from there, can pay some additional amount to rank up further provided they have sufficient activity, perhaps even sufficient activity after becoming a Copper Member to become a Full Member, and so on.

Edit:changed full membership to senior member. However I have barely received sufficient merit to become a full member.
copper member
Activity: 38
Merit: 2
September 17, 2018, 12:46:24 AM
#21
I full heartedly agree with this decision. I think it will likely boost the average quality of content in posting. The Copper Membership is a good idea for anyone wishing to post pictures or keep their current posts alive as some of these posts may be important to businesses etc. However with the decision to implement stricter signature guidelines etc. I do think that we will see a lot less two or three word posts that have nothing to do with the project. Im excited to see how this affects the forums, I'm looking forward to more actual conversation!
legendary
Activity: 3374
Merit: 1922
Shuffle.com
September 17, 2018, 12:46:14 AM
#20
It would be better if Jr Member requires 5 merits. Having 1 merit is really easy task. Also, it will increase the abuse a little more.
That's probably the next plan if 1 merit is not enough. It's one way to flush out the smerits from these abusers until they have none to send.

today i become newbie verry sad i think better if need 200 activity to become jr
This suggestion is only better for you. Without a merit requirement for Jr members these spammers would just farm activity then continue once they reach the required activity.
newbie
Activity: 238
Merit: 0
September 17, 2018, 12:44:58 AM
#19
very much bouty need jr member . and difficult to have a metrit i have 238 activity but not get metrit . today i become newbie verry sad i think better if need 200 activity to become jr. even 5p i can post 1 that meaning i only can work 20 bouty for a day before i can made 100 . what can i do now give up a dream become a bouty man find a other work ?
sr. member
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September 17, 2018, 12:34:55 AM
#18
I think that's the perfect balance you could make Theymos. 1 merit might be difficult to obtain but not very difficult. For newbies it is actually easier as the diamonds are more easily recognizable when in between coals. Plus removing the signature feature for newbies will surely help reduce spam.
member
Activity: 66
Merit: 62
September 17, 2018, 12:30:07 AM
#17
Don't forget to also update the merit & rank requirement page. There's going to be a ton of people who come asking/complaining about it regardless, but having the accurate info is important
legendary
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Merit: 16489
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September 17, 2018, 12:27:04 AM
#16
I understand that this affects the display of images created by TS.
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help me, I ask you
Get a Copper Membership, and your images show up again.

One thing that wasn't mentioned is that some existing merit sources seem to have gotten a source size increase as well, so there should be much more merit flowing.
I've seen mine go up by 20 sMerit twice so far (based on counting how many I've sent in the past 30 days, and how many I have left).


Thanks theymos! This means the many Jr. Member spambots can now be nuked! I've seen them with hundreds up to 1000+ posts without earning a single Merit.

With help from DdmrDdmr, I just added 36 new merit sources, which should help newbies achieve the requirement. But if you're incapable of posting anything worthwhile, then you will never rank up, and you shouldn't: this isn't the forum for you.
For later reference:
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There are 120 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 23045 sMerit per 30 days
member
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September 17, 2018, 12:26:49 AM
#15
All Jr Members are now demoted to newbie= More visitors into meta. Lol.
It would be better if Jr Member requires 5 merits. Having 1 merit is really easy task. Also, it will increase the abuse a little more.

1 merit is not a big deal they always can buy it.
They don't need to buy, they already have 100 of account. They can easily distribute 1,1,1,1...... which will also not be suspicious merit abusing.
jr. member
Activity: 92
Merit: 2
September 17, 2018, 12:23:17 AM
#14
Still enjoy every rule made by the administrator of this forum and of course, the goal is very good, even though I have not been able to contribute in it  Cry and giving up is not the last choice, keep on getting excited  Grin
member
Activity: 470
Merit: 16
September 17, 2018, 12:18:21 AM
#13
I hope it will help reduce spam a little bit, but unfortunately for account farmers, 1 merit is not a big deal they always can buy it.
jr. member
Activity: 44
Merit: 1
September 17, 2018, 12:15:59 AM
#12
I started a month or two back so I dont mind. And This totally makes sense. But As a user I never look at Rank.
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1166
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September 17, 2018, 12:15:11 AM
#11


This might be our salvation Cheesy

We've been waiting for these things to be implemented but still...
I Smell Merit Giveaways...  Grin from those who've reach the default Member Ranks.

One thing that wasn't mentioned is that some existing merit sources seem to have gotten a source size increase as well, so there should be much more merit flowing.

I think it will be the next issue to be resolve. theymos already added some Merit Sources

So if you want to participate in signature campaigns, you can either pay the $10-$20 for copper membership or accomplish the herculean task of making one good post.
Is it possible to make an adjustment again? Let the Campaigns be on the Member Ranks and above only?
Just to ensure a big number of possibilities on quality posters will increase.
sr. member
Activity: 851
Merit: 254
Borderless for People, Frictionless for Banks
September 17, 2018, 12:11:36 AM
#10
wow, a pretty brave announcement Friend ..
indeed it will not please everyone. However, for the common good, we really need to take decisive action.
Hopefully the Jr. Members who go down are getting more enthusiastic and the forums are getting better quality.
 Grin
administrator
Activity: 5222
Merit: 13032
September 17, 2018, 12:11:05 AM
#9
I think you should consider the ability to buy merit for yourself. You can already effectively do this by way of purchasing a copper membership. Based upon the fact that well under 1% of active users have received a single merit, there need to be additional ways for people who do not post garbage to rank up.

Buying merit or normal ranks is like buying yourself a bunch of trophies to put on your shelf. It's stupid, and it's an insult to everyone who achieved it legitimately. I can't see ever doing that. I don't particularly mind letting people pay for some of the privileges of these things, such as with copper membership, but it should be a parallel system.

Copper membership is good. Now, if you want to participate in signature campaigns, you can either pay the $10-$20 for copper membership or accomplish the herculean task of making one good post. I don't think that it's unreasonable in either case.

If people are making good posts but are still struggling to get merit, then that's a problem with the merit system and should be fixed on my end. Demanding money in order to bypass a broken system would be really bad. But AFAICT the merit system actually is reasonably effective at identifying good posters.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1416
September 17, 2018, 12:10:38 AM
#8
is going to be interesting to see how in the short-medium terms these changes are affecting the number of users registered and the number of messages posted, in particular under the altcoin board. There may be some underground merit market to rank up perhaps, but these are good and needed changes.  Smiley
copper member
Activity: 2996
Merit: 2374
September 17, 2018, 12:03:51 AM
#7
I think you should consider the ability to buy merit for yourself. You can already effectively do this by way of purchasing a copper membership. Based upon the fact that well under 1% of active users have received a single merit, there need to be additional ways for people who do not post garbage to rank up.

Further, if people are buying access to additional features such as signatures, they have an added incentive to not post crap, and the cost will serve as a deterrent to those who have ranked up from posting complete garbage. 
copper member
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Merit: 2142
Slots Enthusiast & Expert
September 16, 2018, 11:59:01 PM
#6
Yeah, I understand that it feels a little bit too harsh to implement this new system. However, it helps to contain the current spam problem. According to:

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Translated: On local board (altcoin), we have more than 10,000 new posts every two weeks! This is insane since local patrollers can only review 100 posts every week.

These 10,000 posts are majority shitposts! One merit is not a big deal, so I think this is fair.

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Grin Grin


Edit let me use this opportunity to shill my Newbie's Guide to Getting Merit (Proven)
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 3284
September 16, 2018, 11:48:21 PM
#5
One thing that wasn't mentioned is that some existing merit sources seem to have gotten a source size increase as well, so there should be much more merit flowing.
legendary
Activity: 2170
Merit: 1789
September 16, 2018, 11:43:37 PM
#4
legendary
Activity: 3178
Merit: 3295
September 16, 2018, 11:37:34 PM
#3
Thats realy good News about !

Thanks for that , hopefully this will be reduce a little the Spam !  

But i guess a lot of Crying Babies coming now and want a pacifier !  LOL   Cheesy

Realy awesome work theymos , and there is now more hope for a clean  Forum !
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