Topic: Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements - page 7. (Read 41678 times)

Yes and I got your point. Maybe it will be better to spare from using google translator as it just ruined your thoughts. I will be happy seeing you constructing a sentence on your own, it might be hard at first but I'm sure that you can get along with it. And the merit issue was already addressed by stompix.

Thanks Theymos, this will for sure limit the spam posters quite a bit!

Thanks for all your hard work. 


Just post quality posts, and it will come to you


How can you not continue your work? Not being able to post images is fine.. just post a image link..


Haha, what is the point? It will give you no benefits.


You get Merit by posting high quality posts, not begging for it.


Copper Membership is permanent.

The wall observer is a community in its own, it's more like a sub-forum of the forum.
It is an entity in itself that does not closely reflect the forum, you will find people who have been posting to each other for several years and who only look at that forum's thread.
 o not pay much attention to what's going on inside it, its a world apart.

OK, I thought I had seen all in this forum but THIS...
Until now I have been generally positive about the merit system - even though it is not very favourable for me personally, but I can live with that - I thought it would really help the forum by separating quality from garbage.
But then... you have posted this.

The one that awarded him merit is a clear case of merit abuse.
He also sent this guy 5 merits for this and even google translate screams shitpost.

It seems half of your posts are made on boards I have on ignore and I really can't really make anything out of Russian text.
Just keep posting for a day or two and I promise I'll look once more at your post history and award you some merit if you deserve it.

Sorry, but the Google Translator very bad for Russian translating))) I tried to translate better for you understanding.

My post:
"You ask a question for what this innovation was made? A good example of what it is a branch of "Beginners". Virtually every new topic have a stupid copypasted content, like: "Which coin will give a profit?", "Tell me what to take to buy Lambo?""When to the moon?", "I believe that the Bitcoin  in October/December/January will cost 20000/30000/50000 dollars", and such posts percent 95% of the total mass of messages. Naturally, to limit shitposting, such restrictions will be necessary. In fact, all Newbee’s just write useless phrases in a random topic to increase until Junior, as I understand it, for signature campaigns. But here's the point: the conditions of the signature camp also in the bulk suggest a minimum number of messages per day, and in most campaigns there are no requirements for the content of the post, but only to the number of characters. And what do we have at the end? Yes, all the same shitposting, with the only difference that the messages are writted  to get more stakes in the campaign.

My opinion is that to improve the quality of the information field of the BTT forum as a whole, first off all, you need to start from signature campaigns, so that stakes are not given for the number of characters in post, but for really useful information that would really benefits."

And the next post:
"I think these rules are of course useful in General for the forum. There will be more constructive and meaningful posts to raise the rank of participants in the bounty companies for some time will be less.
But to those forum users who have reached Junior and just quietly worked is not quite fair. Many people spend a lot of time participating in social media or creating videos and articles and can get nothing for their work. I agree that it would be possible to apply this measure to those who have just been registered.
On the other hand, sudden changes suggest that you can never stand still and constantly evolve!"

It was not same idea. I have translated (With Google Translator) and got nothing same between two.
You have shared the problems and thoughts on how can get merit and the next person shared what he/demoted member faced after the new system. In my opinion, no one deserves to be merited but it depends on various person's thoughts. Also, it can be abused too.

For example, my post in local topic (Sorry, I don't know, you understand Russian or not.):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45855890

And the next post after mine, where written almost the same idea, besides post wrote pretty simple, and this post looks like "Shitpost", recieves a Merit.

I write in English topics not for "pushing to hard", but just for improve my communicating skills on English language.

I agree with every single point that you made nutildah in the above-linked post, except this one.

You seem to be conceding too much to Uesly_Future because the forum is NOT going down the road of getting rid of signatures or signature campaigns, and the forum seems to have allowed for the adoption of this dynamic, which ends up making it a unique place in the way that it attempts to balance matters while allowing the experimentation (in practice) of signatures to continue into the foreseeable future.  Maybe some day signature campaigns will be reigned in a bit more, but they do seem to cause a certain kind of balancing challenge for forum mods and administrators that is a chosen route forward.

Personally, I discontinued with my participation in signature campaigns because I was beginning to find them to be too much of a burden for me as compared to what I was getting paid, yet I can understand why a variety of members might want to continue to attempt to participate in them, and hopefully, not devolve the quality of their posting just to attain their required posting quota.

That's fair. As you say, his post quality is way above the usual spammer, and I don't think he would have any trouble earning some merits if he stopped shilling whatever the hell "Zeitcoin" is in every post.

However, I still think we need to address higher ranked spammers in one way or another.

My post was intended for all the ranks in general and not just legendary. Take this member for instance: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zin-zang-1777865 his post quality is way better than most of the legendaries with high merits. He has received just 1 merit... This is exactly what I'm trying to address here. Having great quality posts doesn't necessarily mean you'd have high merits.

I’m sure many won’t read the "meaningful posts" part and go straight for the "automatically", even taking the latter literately...

Are there really legendary members with great post quality who have been unable to earn a single merit? Or would be unable to earn 10 for that matter? I'm completely happy to be corrected if I'm mistaken, I just haven't seen any.

I am sharing my story only.
I registered here before the new 1 merit requirement but I was not active. The day I returned I saw lots of people were complaining about the new system. However, I didn't have any intention of gaining merit. I was reading an article posted by a newbie and I felt I read it somewhere else. At last, I found the original link and made comment here with the link. After a couple of minutes, I realized I got a merit. I had no intention of achieving merit but I got one from my 2nd post here.
Moral of the story- Don't run after merit, rather engage with people with meaningful posts. You will get merit automatically.

You sure we won't be missing out on the members who actually have a great post quality but remain unmerited? Look at the merit stats, see the sections where most of the merit goes and you'd be surprised if not disappointed. I honestly wouldn't just accept a member in a signature campaign just because they have high merits. I will still examine the post quality and see the sections they're most active in. Of course, Meta/Off-topic/Local -Boards wouldn't count.

I also think the requirement for signatures should be changed to earned merit rather than total merit at some point down the line. This post by Vod shows just the tip of the iceberg - hundreds, if not thousands, of legendary members who are spammers and have earned zero merit. Is anyone able to get an exact figure on the number of Junior Members and higher that have earned zero merit?

Wouldn't be against it either, but the sad thing is all those who have caused the issue in the first place would instantly disappear like a fart in a breeze if signatures were ever removed and they will have ruined it for everybody else in the process. I think a much better solution would be to keep requiring more and more merit before you can earn via signatures here. One merit is a joke really. You can get that by accident and one merit doesn't qualify them to be able to earn via posting especially when a solitary merit can easily be obtained in numerous shady ways. Lets see how they deal with trying to get ten merit. That would make it ten times harder to abuse or get around. I think that would significantly improve the situation here and it's still not very hard to achieve for a half decent poster. The next step after that should be 100 merits. Then you would only be able to earn after you have contributed a lot and proven your worth here. If that didn't work then we could even go extreme and remove all signatures completely until you have a ridiculous amount of merit like 500-1000 or something and then only the best contributors could earn by posting and then we really would see a change in the quality of content here.


It works in a tiny capacity at stopping certain people and abuses but doesn't stop others from abusing it in any way they can, and one merit really isn't enough. Read this thread from yesterday to see how one user was dishing out merits like candy to copy and pasters which most seemed to be alts or related in some capacity: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46135292

Lets see how effective his merit sharing would be when each of his accounts need 10 or 100 or 1000 merits instead of just the one.

Can you quote what post you've been talking about? I saw that you posted mostly on your local board and that isn't prohibited however it's rarely merited. Maybe you made an effort to create a post written in english but this doesn't mean that it can be merited. On a contrary, it looks like spam and shitpost so it doesn't deserve any.

Sometimes short and straight forward posts are enough as long as its make sense.

Don't push to hard to earn merit, it will just look like a rubbish.

Wrong. Anybody can join the forum, and they do. 400+ signups every single day. Anybody can say anything at any time, so long as its their own words they are using.


Well bitcoin is digital money, its always been about making money. For the people who thought they could make a living by shitposting here, they've been proven wrong.


Almost every merit seller is being caught and red tagged.


I actually think this should happen. I wouldn't mind the least bit if signatures disappeared tomorrow. Stopping Newbies from wearing sigs is the next best compromise.


Why? The new system is clearly working and frankly its provided a great deal of not only entertainment but insight into how much of a problem bounty hunters have created by infesting the forum. Its hard to find legitimate or interesting info any more because all the boards have been flooded with shitposters trying to meet criteria for their stupid bounties. Like I said, short of removing sigs altogether, this is the next best compromise.


We already understand it. Its not to your benefit. Its for the benefit of people who have come here to learn.

You can participate in any thread that is of interest to you, and if you are interested in the topic, then you engage in the topic by reading the posts of others and providing substantive and meaningful input. 

No one should need to hold your hand and inform you about which threads interest you, and how you can make a contribution that will be appreciated by others.

It seems to me that if you are meaningfully participating and contributing observations based on your own experiences and opinions, beyond just begging for merits or seeking bounties, then members will recognize your contribution and merit your posts.

Of course, if you just post crap, then you have to figure out ways to improve because no one is going to merit your posts (or at least it is not as likely to receive merit).

It also seems to me that a lot of members recognize that earning merit can take time, and when you are new it could take some time to earn a few merits and gain a bit of a reputation, but certainly earning merits is not an impossible task, even for newbies, and there are plenty of examples of such and examples of good posts and good posters who receive merits (and can be emulated).