Topic: Enjoy comunism: Venezuela raises monthly minimum wage to $2.40 - page 2. (Read 761 times)

I believe that a citizen of a country who voted for his candidate has the right to demand that he fulfill his promises, or fix the problems he created! The country's constitution and legislation does not prohibit rallies and demonstrations.
If we talk about dictatorship, what is a dictatorship? This is just a group of people who have the ability to intimidate another part of the population. For example - the president + the government + the security forces. But these are all people, and the siloviki are whose sons, husbands, fathers. There are a lot of mechanisms of influence on them! You remembered well about the USSR. I'll explain here. The USSR arose on the ashes of tsarist Russia, which was essentially destroyed by the revolutionary movement, followed by the "Red Terror" and "power of the proletariat" - that is, the "power" of an embittered, lumpenized, primitive, envious rabble. Terror destroyed in the first 2 decades - tens of millions of its citizens, people were terribly intimidated! Although, as history shows - not everywhere! There were territories that, right up to the mid-1960s, waged an insurrectionary struggle against Bolshevism, the Communist Party, and, in fact, the fascist regime within the USSR. An active struggle was waged in Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, Ukraine ... Even in the Republic of the RSFSR itself (this is the part that is now Russia), there were quite a few riots and uprisings against the authorities. According to the habit of the Soviet regime, they were always hushed up and classified information. The dictatorship in Ukraine ended with the shameful flight of President Yanukovych to Russia, in Ukraine there is no complex of "worshiping power", therefore there is no fear of it, if necessary, to remove it, even confronting the armed police and security forces. Therefore, dictatorship is in fact an indicator or level of fear of the population of power, or worship of power. The conditions for the dictatorship are created by the "people"

Venezuela increased its monthly minimum wage by 289%, or 64 US cents, to $2,4 at the Bank of Venezuela's estimated rates, while the price of a kilogram of meat is $3,75. The government of President Nicolas Maduro has raised the minimum wage twice this year, amid the COVID-19 pandemic, severe economic slowdown and hyperinflation. Although Venezuela relaxed its economic controls two years ago, allowing for increased foreign currency transactions, many workers continue to receive wages in the depreciated local currency. Honestly, I don't know if this is a positive news or not, since it does not mean much for the current lives of indigenous people.

The plus point for United States is that even with the Democrat party, there are factions that are opposed to socialist policies. But nowadays it is the extreme-left, which is dominating the party. Some of the proposals from the current Biden administration reminds me of extreme-left. One example is the proposal to tax capital gains on par with the income tax. At present none of the countries have such high taxes on capital gains, for obvious reasons. Now let's see whether these proposals will get the required support.

Of course. We must also think that the US is more capitalist than Venezuela, of course, but it is not the paradigm of free market and absence of regulations.  There are many things I don't like there, and some of them have been mentioned by @dezoel, but communist style redistribution always ends in disaster. As I was saying in another thread:


And then, someone who lived in a comunist country added:

OK.. no need to write an essay. Let me summarize it - the billionaires in the United States own $4.4 trillion in wealth. The socialists want all that wealth to be seized and redistributed to the "poor" people. If you are living in a socialist utopia, then this is the perfect plan. But think for a moment for how long this $4.4 trillion is going to last. As per your own calculation, there are 40 million poor. Divide this $4.4 trillion by 40 million, and you will get $110,000. Now this may be enough for the poor to love comfortably for 2-3 years. After that, what you will do? Billionaires are gone. So you are going to target the millionaires? The cycle will go on until no rich people are left. Then what? From where you will steal once the rich people are gone?

The same thing is happening with most third-world countries and sadly even in America, albeit at a much slower rate than what Venezuela is experiencing right now. Goes to show that poor governance can really mess up a promising country as Venezuela. It may be a laughing matter for some, but for Venezuelans aren't having much fun with their liter of milk and block of cheese.

There are around 85 thousand rapes a year, more than double the rate of the second nation in that category.

There are more people jailed than next 5 nations combined, there are people dying from lack of insurance or healthcare, there are people who die in overseas wars, there are over 20 million people who can't read, there are gun violence almost everywhere and more school shootings than rest of the world combined, there are neo nazi groups and there are police killing innocent people at least once a month (usually more frequently on average) 70% of the population is overweight, nearly half a million homeless people, over 40 million alcoholics, over 40 million people who are in poverty (according to poverty guidelines made by government, this number is a lot more according to other nations standards of poverty) and there are so many undereducated kids in schools that the fact that some of those kids won't be given lunch for not having money means there are kids who go all day at school without eating is a second issue to lack of quality in education. There are 724 billionaires who worth 4.4 trillion combined as well. This is United States of America.

Venezuela is a fake country. The increasements in minimum wage are fake, elections results there are fake, the opposition is fake. I think the only real thing there is the communism which kills and proportionates a terrible life.
Don't take that percentage of votes seriously. And at same time, if people don't vote it's not only because they are irresponsible, but also because they see no point in doing so, as the other party is probably not going to work decently and honestly for the country. In my country at least that is my conclusion and I have no desire for voting, because both sides are liars and deceptive.

If you check carefully you will see in many countries most people never vote and the election is always decided by the minority of the population (the politicians lackeys), so all this talk about democracy is biased and a big manipulation. If democracy were good there wouldn't be so many corrupt members of executive, legislative and judiciary defending it unconditionally.

What do you want the ordinary citizens to do? Rebel against the government? These things are very easy to say, but extremely difficult to implement in reality. Stalin ruled the USSR for three decades, exterminating 60 million people during that period. Why didn't anyone had the courage to stage a coup and overthrow him? The answer to that question will be applicable to Venezuela as well. In dictatorships, there is hardly anything that the ordinary civilians can do. Blaming them for the dictatorship is illogical.

Whether the 2018 elections are fair or not is a slightly different question. Although I completely agree with you - elections without choice are nonsense!
I wanted to talk about the so-called civic responsibility and citizenship of Venezuelans. Low turnout is also an indicator that many residents DO NOT care what will happen in the country. This is a mixture of stupidity, cowardice to be responsible, and just a devil-may-care attitude ("let them choose for me"). Well, those who came to the elections ended up "finishing off" the country with their choice. I am leading all this to - you cannot relieve the responsibility of citizens, they make a choice, or do not, or do not allow to do. They bear joint responsibility, they are the accomplices in this process. And Maduro is only a darling of fate, who managed to deceive gullible and / or stupid citizens. This is not only a problem for Venezuela, we had a very similar situation in 2019 ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Venezuelan_presidential_election

Maduro received 50.61% of the vote, while his opponent Henrique Capriles Radonski received 49.12%. Turnout was 79.68%, which means that Maduro received around 40% of the overall votes. This was the last election that was conducted in a mostly fair manner. The 2018 election is a joke, since most of the opposition parties refused to participate. Maduro received 68% of the vote in that election. Two of the most important opposition leaders (Henrique Capriles and Leopoldo López) were disqualified.

So what does the victory of the NSDAP have to do with the elections in VENEZUELA? In Venezuela, Maduro received 67.84% of the vote. More than half and a large majority. The fact that it was not 100% turnout - I agree, but in fact, with the silent, voiceless, consent of those who did not come to the elections - Maduro, in fact, also won. I mean direct and indirect participants who raised even more to the presidency. This means that they must bear joint responsibility. Some for actions, others for inaction. The position "I did not vote, I am not to blame" is the position of an irresponsible person, an irresponsible citizen of the country!

As far as I know, they not just confiscated the assets of large corporations, but also did that to some of the rich Venezuelan individuals. Socialism always work using jealousy. Poor people are always jealous of the rich, and want their wealth to be stolen and redistributed. But the first group never attempt to become rich themselves. They give all sorts of excuses for that - lack of education, lack of opportunities.etc. And the political parties make use of this mentality to exploit them. Since the rich are very few in number, they can be looted, harassed and thrown out of the country. But the main issue with socialism is that eventually they will run out of rich people who can be looted. And this is what happened in Venezuela.

That only means Venezuelans need to look for other source of income just to support their daily needs, and most of them already travel far abroad just to look for a better job and get compensated enough to support for their families still living on Venezuela. I understand the hyper inflation that is happening in Venezuela, their government should create a concrete solution that benefit their citizen in long term, their Salary is way below than I expected.

And the worst part is that they never listen, if a socialist country wants to raise taxes that is one thing, but in Venezuela we saw the government confiscating the assets of big companies, the international community warned the government of Venezuela at the time this was an awful idea as no one will want to make business with them in the future if they kept taking those actions.

They did not listened and now they cannot attract foreign investments, they thought they could get around this with their oil income but when the price collapsed this threw into disarray any semblance of order in the country and now they are going through these adverse times, and unless something changes this will be their reality for decades to come.

It is not that bad. I am not a resident of Venezuela, so someone from there can correct me if I am wrong. Large number of Venezuelans are employed in the neighboring countries such as Colombia and they send considerable amounts as remittance (more than 5 million Venezuelans have left the country in the past few years). Also, a lot of Venezuelans do freelancing and receive their salaries in USD or other foreign currency. Even inside Venezuela, the salaries are not that low.

If the US didn't sanction Maduro, it may not be really very difficult for Venezuela to rise up because they have Petroleum. It is one of the richest country in the South.
Just like Saudi, the country can actually revive everything in their economy.

If Maduro is a dictator there wouldn't be protests going on there for even the rights to protest will also be forbidden but it's not. There is democracy and freedom in the country and we can point out who is manipulating the media to make him look the worse. If US gets Maduro, US will eventually have oil and will not rely to middle east.

Well thats very bad to see happening. It's not a good news since its creating hyperinflation in the country. It means though they get more wage for their work, then they will have to pay more for stones and pebbles too! The president have done some serious damage to the venezuelan economy for sure. I am not sure what the economist in their countries are doing but they surely not guiding Mr. President in proper direction. Even its basic math, the more money you print or the more money you circulate in the nation you will end up having hyperinflation and thus paying more than 2x to 10x for things around you. With their actions they will have bad impact on the businesses and won't be able to tackle the simple daily needs as well. They must do something in terms of economic health to restore the natural order.

I don't think the situation in Venezuela will change for the better any time soon. The salary is a little over two dollars a month, it's ridiculous. But, of course, not for Venezuelans. For this salary, you can buy thirty eggs, that is, the salary provides one egg per day. Therefore, a significant part of the population of this country is simply starving there. Everything needs to be changed there.

This could happen to any country if they elected an incompetent and corrupt leaders. The increase in minimum wage could be hardly felt by the citizens of their country if the prices of goods and commodities are also increasing. Leaders should be more wiser in handling decisions now specially that the world is in state of crisis and potentially could push down economies at lowest level.