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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 04, 2023, 05:17:31 AM

Casinos will not allow gamblers to immediately withdraw their deposit money without playing gambling first, especially if they are depositing just to get a betting bonus where there will be wagering requirements that the gambler must meet.

That's true, because some gamblers will think the casinos aren't smart enough to make decisions on what will favour them than the gamblers after hearing the occasion of being offered a bonus and the next move you see is for them to male attempts on how to withdraw without the casinos having any benefits from them, we have to realize that they also cone to make business and we are also there to gamble and none should be affected by another, you will need to meet up with some requirements after been offered your bonus in other to enable you make withdrawals, moreso, some of these bonuses were being given for them to have a try on their platform and not for the gamblers to withdraw them and leave without the achieving retaining the gambler to their platform.

Whenever we are in a casino and they tell us that they cannot withdraw the money quickly that is a great alarm for me, it has happened to me and that once and for all I think that if it is a great scam, what I think of this type of behavior of some casinos that is not indicated, that they should not do that, much less that they take withdrawals as if they were something manual, because if they do not trust their own system that they are doing, then these things must be taken care of and a casino that offers manual withdrawals, I recommend that you stay well away and do not go there often, because it is very likely that they are a scam.

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Quote from: KiaKia on April 07, 2023, 09:38:54 AM

Hi friends, I have some questions for you guys about online casinos

What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.

Any other reasons?

I don't want to jump into a conclusion that your friend got scamed by the casino, because maybe he's failed to complete his KYC process or didn't do it the right way or submit the required document hence the denial of withdrawal $8000 is a big money and some casinos have it in their policy for proof of ownership of account upon withdrawal of big money and when you fail to convince them with an appropriate document they'll deny you access to your funds, so it's best for him to try again and at do the KYC properly using the appropriate document.
Also those rewards and bonuses are strategies by casinos to lure new customers to sign up them and they come with tasks most times and when you fail to carry out those task completely then you stand a lesser chance of getting the reward, but in a case where you've performed all the necessary tasks or due what's required for a reward and not granted it, then it's best to seek the attention of their customer care service instead of complaining and labeling them as a scam.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 04, 2023, 05:17:31 AM

Casinos will not allow gamblers to immediately withdraw their deposit money without playing gambling first, especially if they are depositing just to get a betting bonus where there will be wagering requirements that the gambler must meet.

That's true, because some gamblers will think the casinos aren't smart enough to make decisions on what will favour them than the gamblers after hearing the occasion of being offered a bonus and the next move you see is for them to male attempts on how to withdraw without the casinos having any benefits from them, we have to realize that they also cone to make business and we are also there to gamble and none should be affected by another, you will need to meet up with some requirements after been offered your bonus in other to enable you make withdrawals, moreso, some of these bonuses were being given for them to have a try on their platform and not for the gamblers to withdraw them and leave without the achieving retaining the gambler to their platform.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on August 04, 2023, 08:12:17 AM

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It is true that a gambler can decide at any moment to move on from a casino due to their strict KYC procedures, however the main issue with this is that people decide to make that change when they are unable to make a withdrawal for their inability to pass that procedure or due to the casino being too harsh with their requirements.

So until that problem is solved the gambler is in fact tied to that casino, and then it is likely that those measures will only get worse as time passes as governments want to know more about the gamblers and the casinos themselves as well, since each year that passes more money moves in this industry.

The idea that gamblers are obligated to the casino even if they deem the KYC requirements to be excessively onerous intrigues me as being rather ambiguous in your reasoning

First off, the requirements for KYC procedures go beyond the desire for ripe bananas; they are necessary for regulatory compliance and anti-fraud measures that extend beyond the poker table and velvet curtains. Not only do casinos want to know their patrons, but there are also slippery laws that prevent hamsters from dancing on poker chips

It also ignores the balance of blue umbrellas in a downpour of regulatory requirements and customer accessibility to suggest that measures will only get worse with time

You are very correct and I completely agree with you, its rather unfortunate though, that many gamblers are yet to really come to terms with the importance of KYC to the gambling casino and the gamblers alike, and also come to the understanding that for some casinos, its not really their intention to subject their customers into going through some really stressful KYC process or procedures, but its like when ones hands are tied up, there isn't much, if at all, anything such a person can do, some of this casinos have their hands tied up when it comes to the issue of KYC, they have no choice but to force their customers to pass it, because amongst other reasons, it is one of they ways they keep staying in business without harassments from regulatory enforcers..

Now, this is not to do away with the fact that there are still some casinos that have hijacked KYC, and made it an excuse, by which they cover themselves up, after having scammed a customer or customers, we all must watch out for such casinos and avoid them completely.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on August 07, 2023, 11:45:05 PM

Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on August 04, 2023, 08:12:17 AM

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It is true that a gambler can decide at any moment to move on from a casino due to their strict KYC procedures, however the main issue with this is that people decide to make that change when they are unable to make a withdrawal for their inability to pass that procedure or due to the casino being too harsh with their requirements.

So until that problem is solved the gambler is in fact tied to that casino, and then it is likely that those measures will only get worse as time passes as governments want to know more about the gamblers and the casinos themselves as well, since each year that passes more money moves in this industry.

The idea that gamblers are obligated to the casino even if they deem the KYC requirements to be excessively onerous intrigues me as being rather ambiguous in your reasoning

First off, the requirements for KYC procedures go beyond the desire for ripe bananas; they are necessary for regulatory compliance and anti-fraud measures that extend beyond the poker table and velvet curtains. Not only do casinos want to know their patrons, but there are also slippery laws that prevent hamsters from dancing on poker chips

It also ignores the balance of blue umbrellas in a downpour of regulatory requirements and customer accessibility to suggest that measures will only get worse with time

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on August 04, 2023, 08:12:17 AM

We cannot escape a casino from demanding for KYC if what they really want is to get us the best they could offer, but whenever we then realized that all necessary information about the required documents had been provided and yet they are not releasing what we are demanding for, we may begin to loose trust in them and start to think otherwise for an alternative, we are not tied to a particular casino, we can choose as we want provided the conditions warrant for having a second choice when the gambling platform we are using isn't satisfying us enough and we begin to loose trust in them.

We should already know that if we exceed the existing limits in the casino, the casino will ask us to do KYC. So before that happens, we should exercise self-control by not gambling excessively to avoid KYC. We can still play gambling at crypto casinos without doing KYC and some casinos still allow their users freely but of course, we have to follow these rules.

And when we manage to win a lot of money, we also have to follow the casino's requirements if the casino asks for it. And even if we don't want to follow him, we can leave his casino and find another casino. It will be better for us than doing KYC, where we don't want to do it ourselves. But we are forced to leave our winning money just like that because of the KYC requirements.

But if we play gambling in a shady casino, we might be asked to do KYC, whether we win a lot or a little. But there is no chance for us to be able to withdraw the winning money, let alone the deposit money we have made. And luckily, in this forum, we already have lists of trusted casinos and shady casinos, so we can avoid those scam casinos so we don't run into any problems.

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Every casino gambling most have KYC so anyone who is participating in gambling platform I think that it should have it in mind that kyc is necessary but partaking in any gambling platform you have to verify your account with your document so that you will not be penalised or hold because of none proper verification of kyc. Every casino platforms needed documentation because of chance of winning huge amount money and also making your fund's to be safe in the platform.

KYC is an important verification process in casinos where a gambler's information is recorded. However, many times, despite KYC, users' funds are frozen in many casino sites. In this case it is a sign of a scam but when many gamblers win huge amount of funds and ask for KYC verification while withdrawing, if the authorities are irregular or if the support team does not work as promised, then in that case the casino site will fall under the scam. Many casino sites do not keep their promises according to their roadmap, in which case the casino site scams users due to broken promises.

We cannot escape a casino from demanding for KYC if what they really want is to get us the best they could offer, but whenever we then realized that all necessary information about the required documents had been provided and yet they are not releasing what we are demanding for, we may begin to loose trust in them and start to think otherwise for an alternative, we are not tied to a particular casino, we can choose as we want provided the conditions warrant for having a second choice when the gambling platform we are using isn't satisfying us enough and we begin to loose trust in them.

It is true that a gambler can decide at any moment to move on from a casino due to their strict KYC procedures, however the main issue with this is that people decide to make that change when they are unable to make a withdrawal for their inability to pass that procedure or due to the casino being too harsh with their requirements.

So until that problem is solved the gambler is in fact tied to that casino, and then it is likely that those measures will only get worse as time passes as governments want to know more about the gamblers and the casinos themselves as well, since each year that passes more money moves in this industry.

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Quote from: LDL on August 04, 2023, 05:45:21 AM

Quote from: Onyeeze on August 04, 2023, 05:37:03 AM

i noticed that some get afraid of KYC without any reason

Some gamblers are afraid to KYC with their personal information in online casinos. The problem is that in countries where casinos are not legal, gamblers in those countries usually don't want to give their personal information online. In this case, they are likely to get involved in legal trouble and they are afraid to give their information to online casinos to avoid such problems in their personal life. However, sharing personal information is not a problem for gamblers in countries where casinos are fully officially legal.

The fact that a casino requires KYC doesn't entirely limit or wipe out the chances of those leaving in countries where gambling is illegal and for that, those in such locations must constantly make efforts to reduce the indept of informantions they give out online in the form of kyc because on the long run third-party access may be granted and that could result into legal battle for such gamblers.

But more also, gambling prohibitions in countries is more of traditionally inclined because those countries that have restrictions for gambling, also have citizens who gamble online freely without traces, most especially those that gamble on decentralized casinos that doesn't requires KYC to make deposits or withdrawal.

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Quote from: LDL on August 04, 2023, 05:36:30 AM

Quote from: Onyeeze on June 22, 2023, 12:22:18 AM

Every casino gambling most have KYC so anyone who is participating in gambling platform I think that it should have it in mind that kyc is necessary but partaking in any gambling platform you have to verify your account with your document so that you will not be penalised or hold because of none proper verification of kyc. Every casino platforms needed documentation because of chance of winning huge amount money and also making your fund's to be safe in the platform.

KYC is an important verification process in casinos where a gambler's information is recorded. However, many times, despite KYC, users' funds are frozen in many casino sites. In this case it is a sign of a scam but when many gamblers win huge amount of funds and ask for KYC verification while withdrawing, if the authorities are irregular or if the support team does not work as promised, then in that case the casino site will fall under the scam. Many casino sites do not keep their promises according to their roadmap, in which case the casino site scams users due to broken promises.

We cannot escape a casino from demanding for KYC if what they really want is to get us the best they could offer, but whenever we then realized that all necessary information about the required documents had been provided and yet they are not releasing what we are demanding for, we may begin to loose trust in them and start to think otherwise for an alternative, we are not tied to a particular casino, we can choose as we want provided the conditions warrant for having a second choice when the gambling platform we are using isn't satisfying us enough and we begin to loose trust in them.

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Quote from: LDL on August 04, 2023, 05:36:30 AM

Quote from: Onyeeze on June 22, 2023, 12:22:18 AM

Every casino gambling most have KYC so anyone who is participating in gambling platform I think that it should have it in mind that kyc is necessary but partaking in any gambling platform you have to verify your account with your document so that you will not be penalised or hold because of none proper verification of kyc. Every casino platforms needed documentation because of chance of winning huge amount money and also making your fund's to be safe in the platform.

KYC is an important verification process in casinos where a gambler's information is recorded. However, many times, despite KYC, users' funds are frozen in many casino sites. In this case it is a sign of a scam but when many gamblers win huge amount of funds and ask for KYC verification while withdrawing, if the authorities are irregular or if the support team does not work as promised, then in that case the casino site will fall under the scam. Many casino sites do not keep their promises according to their roadmap, in which case the casino site scams users due to broken promises.

Yes, it often happens that there are lots of people who have verified KYC, but CS at the casino makes it difficult for gamblers to give up and end up leaving their accounts and money in the casino, that only happens in small casinos and is impossible to do in big casinos, because big casinos are attractive though Hundreds or thousands of dollars of money can be done without having to provide KYC.

Unless small casinos always make it difficult for gamblers when withdrawing money because most of them are indeed in business to cheat it will not be possible to pay gamblers who win big on their site let alone withdraw big money from their site, that's why it's important to research ask community forums where the best and trusted casinos also have good reputation on this forum so you don't make the wrong choice to gamble at a problematic and deceptive casino.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on August 04, 2023, 05:37:03 AM

i noticed that some get afraid of KYC without any reason

There are some gamblers who are afraid to KYC with their personal information in online casinos. The problem is that in countries where casinos are not legal, gamblers in those countries usually don't want to give their personal information online. In this case, they are likely to get involved in legal trouble and they are afraid to give their information to online casinos to avoid such problems in their personal life. However, sharing personal information is not a problem for gamblers in countries where casinos are fully officially legal.

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You should know that every online casino have verification process and you being a gambler should have requested for verification if you have not seen such in your platform, but i noticed that some get afraid of KYC without any reason so i believe that we should be more serious in verifying our casino account so that whenever you win they shall no be any excuse to make during the withdraw in the platform, so I'm supporting platforms that insist to release people funds without following their procedure's

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Quote from: Onyeeze on June 22, 2023, 12:22:18 AM

Every casino gambling most have KYC so anyone who is participating in gambling platform I think that it should have it in mind that kyc is necessary but partaking in any gambling platform you have to verify your account with your document so that you will not be penalised or hold because of none proper verification of kyc. Every casino platforms needed documentation because of chance of winning huge amount money and also making your fund's to be safe in the platform.

KYC is an important verification process in casinos where a gambler's information is recorded. However, many times, despite KYC, users' funds are frozen in many casino sites. In this case it is a sign of a scam but when many gamblers win huge amount of funds and ask for KYC verification while withdrawing, if the authorities are irregular or if the support team does not work as promised, then in that case the casino site will fall under the scam. Many casino sites do not keep their promises according to their roadmap, in which case the casino site scams users due to broken promises.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 03, 2023, 03:07:00 PM

when a gambler is looking for a wager-free bonus in such a way that they can just deposit into the casino claim the bonus and then withdraw, not knowing that such a casino does not exist and if you see any casino that offers such too good to be a true offer, there is a high probability that their end up scamming the gambler.

No trusted casino or any trusted service would offer such thing. A wager free bonus that you can withdraw immediately after making a deposit, no string attached, is the same as those well known bitcoin doublers.
Any reasonable person must realize that there is something fishy when they see an offer like that because why would the casino give you money for free, what are they going to earn!

Yeah, that is not a kind of business model that casinos are going to put up because they obviously know that they are going to lose money with that. And if we heard such casinos then, think twice to play with that platform because it's very fishy in the first place.

I guess as gamblers there are red flags that we are aware all and we can all smell it from afar. And most of the time, we reported it here or in their ANN thread to take notice so that no gamblers can fall for that trick.

Casinos will not allow gamblers to immediately withdraw their deposit money without playing gambling first, especially if they are depositing just to get a betting bonus where there will be wagering requirements that the gambler must meet. And things like that also happen in shady casinos so we should really stay away from casinos like that. And we already know a lot about shady casinos because some run their business on this forum. Many members have stayed away from them and always advise people in this forum not to use these casinos.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 03, 2023, 03:07:00 PM

when a gambler is looking for a wager-free bonus in such a way that they can just deposit into the casino claim the bonus and then withdraw, not knowing that such a casino does not exist and if you see any casino that offers such too good to be a true offer, there is a high probability that their end up scamming the gambler.

No trusted casino or any trusted service would offer such thing. A wager free bonus that you can withdraw immediately after making a deposit, no string attached, is the same as those well known bitcoin doublers.
Any reasonable person must realize that there is something fishy when they see an offer like that because why would the casino give you money for free, what are they going to earn!

Yeah, that is not a kind of business model that casinos are going to put up because they obviously know that they are going to lose money with that. And if we heard such casinos then, think twice to play with that platform because it's very fishy in the first place.

I guess as gamblers there are red flags that we are aware all and we can all smell it from afar. And most of the time, we reported it here or in their ANN thread to take notice so that no gamblers can fall for that trick.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on August 03, 2023, 06:50:12 PM

Quote from: Odusko on August 03, 2023, 03:07:00 PM

when a gambler is looking for a wager-free bonus in such a way that they can just deposit into the casino claim the bonus and then withdraw, not knowing that such a casino does not exist and if you see any casino that offers such too good to be a true offer, there is a high probability that their end up scamming the gambler.

No trusted casino or any trusted service would offer such thing. A wager free bonus that you can withdraw immediately after making a deposit, no string attached, is the same as those well known bitcoin doublers.
Any reasonable person must realize that there is something fishy when they see an offer like that because why would the casino give you money for free, what are they going to earn!

Casinos that prioritize their business to keep going must take into account every promotion they do for their members or to find new members.
giving a free bonus by making a deposit and then instantly being able to withdraw it won't be in the casino. every gambler must understand that because if there was a casino like that, I'm sure it would be a field for those who want to take advantage of the casino for money laundering or even to multiply money. only a stupid gambler would take such a bonus campaign seriously. and after they deposit money, then the account will be banned immediately.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on August 03, 2023, 06:50:12 PM

Quote from: Odusko on August 03, 2023, 03:07:00 PM

when a gambler is looking for a wager-free bonus in such a way that they can just deposit into the casino claim the bonus and then withdraw, not knowing that such a casino does not exist and if you see any casino that offers such too good to be a true offer, there is a high probability that their end up scamming the gambler.

No trusted casino or any trusted service would offer such thing. A wager free bonus that you can withdraw immediately after making a deposit, no string attached, is the same as those well known bitcoin doublers.
Any reasonable person must realize that there is something fishy when they see an offer like that because why would the casino give you money for free, what are they going to earn!

If a casino does offer high wagering requirements, this thing cannot be interpreted that the casino is a scam.

It is a normal thing for casinos to place high wagering on bonuses and promotions. If they do not do so, they fear that they may lose many to the gamblers which they never want because casino owners always think for their own benefit and least care for the gambler's money and profits.

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Quote from: serjent05 on August 03, 2023, 06:29:19 PM

I believe the failure to read the Terms of service of a casino is not a temptation but rather being impatient due to the excitement of playing in the platform asap and being lazy because TOS is often times a wall of text that is for other people boring to read. I also agree that the majority of the player may it be a newcomer or the oldtimer skip reading TOS and start reading it if they encounter problems accessing their account and funds. Then these players will start accusing the casino a scam when they failed to read the TOS and breached one of its restrictions. That is somehow unfair to the casino, IMO.

People are lazy to read TOS caused by it spend a lot of time to read whole of TOS provided by the website. The fact that if you can't also deny if there have been many cases the platform used TOS to against its users like banning or freezing their funds.

Casino must have provided the right proof if the players have been violating the rules. The main problem if casino sometimes was not transparent on it. Player calls it scam caused by they lost their money.

As long as casino will able to provide reliable proof if players have been violating the rules and that's fine.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 03, 2023, 03:07:00 PM

when a gambler is looking for a wager-free bonus in such a way that they can just deposit into the casino claim the bonus and then withdraw, not knowing that such a casino does not exist and if you see any casino that offers such too good to be a true offer, there is a high probability that their end up scamming the gambler.

No trusted casino or any trusted service would offer such thing. A wager free bonus that you can withdraw immediately after making a deposit, no string attached, is the same as those well known bitcoin doublers.
Any reasonable person must realize that there is something fishy when they see an offer like that because why would the casino give you money for free, what are they going to earn!

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Quote from: Odusko on August 03, 2023, 03:07:00 PM

when a gambler is looking for a wager-free bonus in such a way that they can just deposit into the casino claim the bonus and then withdraw, not knowing that such a casino does not exist and if you see any casino that offers such too good to be a true offer, there is a high probability that their end up scamming the gambler.

Then I would say it was also the gambler's fault to not be careful with his money depositing it in any place without further reading terms, conditions or the reputation of the casino. Of course the scammer is always guilty and despicable, but we can't expect the world to be perfect in a way we can believe anyone who crosses our way, especially on the internet, which is a no-man's-land and all care isn't enough. After all, gamblers can cry loud as they wish, but nobody will listen to their concerns after the scam and the thieves will most probably run away anonymously on the vast deep ocean of the internet where we never know who we are dealing with. So the best and only alternative is to stick with trustful platforms, which already have positive feedbacks from its customers.

The temptation of not reading the terms and conditions of a casino when we are curious to gamble and make money is very high. Based in analysis, 77% of gamblers do not read terms and conditions of a casino when they want to make there first deposits and bet. This can happen to another body whether a pro gambler or not. We might think that every other casinos we have been using are the same with the new one when it comes to terms and conditions. This is what many gamers and gamblers normally think and end up making the ring choice of using a bad casino that doesn't pay there customers and having a strict rules.

I believe the failure to read the Terms of service of a casino is not a temptation but rather being impatient due to the excitement of playing in the platform asap and being lazy because TOS is often times a wall of text that is for other people boring to read. I also agree that the majority of the player may it be a newcomer or the oldtimer skip reading TOS and start reading it if they encounter problems accessing their account and funds. Then these players will start accusing the casino a scam when they failed to read the TOS and breached one of its restrictions. That is somehow unfair to the casino, IMO.

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