Are you using USB 3.0 port by any chance? Do you see the same behaviour when using USB 2.0 port?
This was tested with USB 2.0 ports on a Dell XPS 1645.
Topic: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet - page 163. (Read 966173 times)
This was tested with USB 2.0 ports on a Dell XPS 1645.
I can confirm this very odd behavior:
Are you using USB 3.0 port by any chance? Do you see the same behaviour when using USB 2.0 port?
i also tested the exponential waiting time when entering a wrong pin number. Confirmed working. Very good! 
Trezor has very low power consumption, I would be very surprised if that's the issue...
I bought a USB powered HUB + a new cable, now it works flawlessly.
works it with the old cable but with the new active hub, too?I can confirm this very odd behavior:
Win 8.1, Chrome, Trezor + original USB cable is not recognized
Win 8.1, Chrome, Trezor + Nexus 5 USB cable is recognized and working
And wow, this is a cute and nice little item! The finish surpassed my expectations.
Edit: maybe very important:
The device becomes quite warm within a few seconds with the original cable, which is not the case with the other one. Here is the heatspot:
I'm pretty sure it does not ask for more words in case of 24 words seed: https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/blob/master/firmware/recovery.c#L97
Looks like stick changed the recovery code here
https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/commit/8c4540ef915e465872dffb7f04dbfa03d926ea3f#diff-d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e
and
https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/commit/ea4d99cfee14d4c08431882c0d2b90f55aa3e7d6#diff-d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e
anyone interested in selling their metallic version of Trezor?
Or any time estimate when they will be available for sale again, slush?
Or any time estimate when they will be available for sale again, slush?
interested wallet but when hardware lost ? get tsunami ? my money will loss ?
Obviously, nobody would be excited about this product at all if this was the case. interested wallet but when hardware lost ? get tsunami ? my money will loss ?
you can recovery everything...only if you lose you "paperwallet with the seeds" and the trezor everything will be lost.
Read the faq or the manual
interested wallet but when hardware lost ? get tsunami ? my money will loss ?
Is there any security lost by restoring your Trezor using the recovery seed? I ask this because you have to type in the recovery seed on the computer. I know it is in a different order, but say if you had a keylogger, how much would this increase the chance of someone guessing your recovery seed, since they would know the words?
The number of combinations with a 24 word seed after each word is known but the ranking is not, is:
24! ~ 6.2 × 10^23
You need to put this into perspective. When using 24 words, the Trezor seed is 256bit long, i.e., 1E77. Any single address generated is 160bit long, i.e., 1E48. Those are some huge numbers. 1E23 is child's play compared to that. If the number of combinations is 1E77 before you keylog the words and it becomes 1E23 after you keylog them, then the recovered Trezor is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times less secure then the unrecovered one. Please note that Trezor uses key stretching techniques, so to find whether the 24 words that have been keylogged contain(ed) some BTC, you need to do more than 10^23 hashes. It should be something like 10^28. But there is also 10^13 Hash/s hardware out there. If something like that was manufactured for Trezor breaking then you would need 10^8 of those to break one recovered Trezor in a year time. I guess that considering price of such equipment and the possibility you break an empty(emptied) Trezor rules out such attack (for now). I would still recommend to transfer your funds to unrecovered Trezor after recovery to get 1E77 protection back. I would also not recommend using less than 24 words.
I'm pretty sure it does not ask for more words in case of 24 words seed: https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/blob/master/firmware/recovery.c#L97
Is there any security lost by restoring your Trezor using the recovery seed? I ask this because you have to type in the recovery seed on the computer. I know it is in a different order, but say if you had a keylogger, how much would this increase the chance of someone guessing your recovery seed, since they would know the words?
The number of combinations with a 24 word seed after each word is known but the ranking is not, is:
24! ~ 6.2 × 10^23
You need to put this into perspective. When using 24 words, the Trezor seed is 256bit long, i.e., 1E77. Any single address generated is 160bit long, i.e., 1E48. Those are some huge numbers. 1E23 is child's play compared to that. If the number of combinations is 1E77 before you keylog the words and it becomes 1E23 after you keylog them, then the recovered Trezor is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times less secure then the unrecovered one. Please note that Trezor uses key stretching techniques, so to find whether the 24 words that have been keylogged contain(ed) some BTC, you need to do more than 10^23 hashes. It should be something like 10^28. But there is also 10^13 Hash/s hardware out there. If something like that was manufactured for Trezor breaking then you would need 10^8 of those to break one recovered Trezor in a year time. I guess that considering price of such equipment and the possibility you break an empty(emptied) Trezor rules out such attack (for now). I would still recommend to transfer your funds to unrecovered Trezor after recovery to get 1E77 protection back. I would also not recommend using less than 24 words.
Is there any security lost by restoring your Trezor using the recovery seed? I ask this because you have to type in the recovery seed on the computer. I know it is in a different order, but say if you had a keylogger, how much would this increase the chance of someone guessing your recovery seed, since they would know the words?
The number of combinations with a 24 word seed after each word is known but the ranking is not, is:
24! ~ 6.2 × 10^23
You need to put this into perspective. When using 24 words, the Trezor seed is 256bit long, i.e., 1E77. Any single address generated is 160bit long, i.e., 1E48. Those are some huge numbers. 1E23 is child's play compared to that. If the number of combinations is 1E77 before you keylog the words and it becomes 1E23 after you keylog them, then the recovered Trezor is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times less secure then the unrecovered one. Please note that Trezor uses key stretching techniques, so to find whether the 24 words that have been keylogged contain(ed) some BTC, you need to do more than 10^23 hashes. It should be something like 10^28. But there is also 10^13 Hash/s hardware out there. If something like that was manufactured for Trezor breaking then you would need 10^8 of those to break one recovered Trezor in a year time. I guess that considering price of such equipment and the possibility you break an empty(emptied) Trezor rules out such attack (for now). I would still recommend to transfer your funds to unrecovered Trezor after recovery to get 1E77 protection back. I would also not recommend using less than 24 words.
Hehe, I don't want to read the whole thread. Which shipping company you use? I only accept DHL.
DHL is in process, right now we do use national posts (USPS in US). Actually returning rate is quite low so far and no device has been lost yet. The only downside is that delivery may take some time to some countries, comparing to DHL...
Hehe, I don't want to read the whole thread. Which shipping company you use? I only accept DHL.
Not sure, the tracking number is coming through with USPS for me.
Hehe, I don't want to read the whole thread. Which shipping company you use? I only accept DHL.
Is there any security lost by restoring your Trezor using the recovery seed? I ask this because you have to type in the recovery seed on the computer. I know it is in a different order, but say if you had a keylogger, how much would this increase the chance of someone guessing your recovery seed, since they would know the words?
The number of combinations with a 24 word seed after each word is known but the ranking is not, is:
24! ~ 6.2 × 10^23
Is there any security lost by restoring your Trezor using the recovery seed? I ask this because you have to type in the recovery seed on the computer. I know it is in a different order, but say if you had a keylogger, how much would this increase the chance of someone guessing your recovery seed, since they would know the words?
Yes definitely recover, move then wipe
http://satoshilabs.com/news/2014-08-06-mytrezor-playground-free-coins-for-newbies/
Hey guys
you can introduce Bitcoin and TREZOR to your relatives
without being such a nerd
https://test.mytrezor.com
I wonder if any of you read Stanislaw Lem's Return from the Stars (1961) and recall the payment device described therein?
Ifit weren't for one quaint detail, it would have been surprisingly prophetic...
Ifit weren't for one quaint detail, it would have been surprisingly prophetic...
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