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Topic: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet - page 159. (Read 966173 times)

legendary
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His words: This product is more important for spreading BTC into mainstream than some merchants or whatever.
Just get in contact with people who know nothing about private keys and have a bunch of malware on their Laptops (9 of 10 Windows systems are 'infected', 1 of 5 macs, most androids, ...) and you know what I mean

Agreed, Trezor is vital for more mainstream adoption, and very useful for experienced users as well.
I am glad to have donated (a very tiny bit) for this project.

Hopefully there is a lot of interest and it will be possible to lower the price in the future, then even more people will be inclined to buy one I think.
sr. member
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let's have some fun
I have some Feedback.

Didn't unpack mine, but a friend did so yesterday.
He only bought it because I told him so, as he is not deeply interested into technical stuff and therefore wasn't able to understand in complete what he was getting - except it will be a hardware wallet.

PRO
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I knew it wouldn't get too complex, but the whole process of updating firmware, initializing the Trezor as well as using it the first time (on mytrezor.com) is so ridiculous fast and simple, I'm really impressed!
In short time he realized what he actually holds in his hands (after clarifying some of his questions) and is since then very excited about it.
Didn't take much time until he understood how simple and secure this device is (especially for the average person without some IT knowledge).

His words: This product is more important for spreading BTC into mainstream than some merchants or whatever.
Just get in contact with people who know nothing about private keys and have a bunch of malware on their Laptops (9 of 10 Windows systems are 'infected', 1 of 5 macs, most androids, ...) and you know what I mean


CONTRA
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Nothing substantial so far. The only minor thing I recognized which could be improved, was the following:
When visiting mytrezor for the first time, I was asked to install this plugin and I found no way to verify the download.

When plugging in Trezor the first time there was a message that there's a new Firmware (without the cancel/update buttons).
It was mentioned you should press both buttons 'while connecting'. I pressed both and nothing happened. Unplugged the device, re-plugged it. Nothing happened. Was wondering whether I screwed it somehow.
Then unplugged it again, and re-plugging it while pressing both buttons on Trezor (hard to get the USB plugged in while pressing both buttons when you do not have a third hand) and I finally got the upgrade button.

Maybe you can make it more clear that one has to remove it. I mean 'while connecting' says somehow what to do, nevertheless I would help to point out clearly: 'disconnect it first and then press both buttons while re-connecting it'

Beside that I have the impression that plastic might not be the best cover for daily middle/long term usage.


SUMMARY
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10 of 10, especially when concerning the security level combined with the usability!
I'm still *very* impressed. Smiley


All you need now is incredible good marketing enabling the average BTC user to understand what this thing actually is and how smart,simple&secure it works.
legendary
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Just got my Trezor.  Transferred some from Armory cold storage.  
Just wondering how much BTC would you be comfortable putting in it?

I feel comfortable putting all my BTC on it.  100+ ...  wallet32 from android you can reproduce your wallet if you need.  That's just me though.  I believe that many of the major wallet dev's will implement Trezor compatibility very soon.

It's sort of crazy, there is a psychological barrier to overcome, at least for me. It took me quite a while to move larger amounts from Electum/Core to a paper wallet. Not because I didn't trust the technology, but because paper (memory cards, or ...) feels even less tangible.

I encounter the same problem right now with my Trezor and my intermediate solution is to keep the paper untouched where it is, but move parts of the pocket money to Trezor. This feels the most secure to me, because I don't intend to spend the cold stored coins anyway and adding exposure only adds risk in my opinion. On the other hand it's great and awesome to know that the day-to-day coins are pretty untouchable now, too. Wink

The only thing missing is support for raw transaction signing, but I haven't explored all options yet and only played around with the Trezor "web wallet". I do a lot stuff that involves handcrafting transactions, but the flow has changed from "transfer coins from Electrum to Core/daemon dev wallet" to "transfer coins from Trezor to dev wallet.". Wink
legendary
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do they ship in asia?

If list of countries on buytrezor.com is missing your country, please write to [email protected].
legendary
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https://gliph.me/hUF
do they ship in asia?

https://www.buytrezor.com/#faq

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What are the shipping options?

Worldwide standard shipping is available for free. We're working on adding more options.
member
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Just got my Trezor.  Transferred some from Armory cold storage.  
Just wondering how much BTC would you be comfortable putting in it?

I feel comfortable putting all my BTC on it.  100+ ...  wallet32 from android you can reproduce your wallet if you need.  That's just me though.  I believe that many of the major wallet dev's will implement Trezor compatibility very soon.
sr. member
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Make Love Not War
do they ship in asia?
member
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Just got my Trezor.  Transferred some from Armory cold storage.  
Just wondering how much BTC would you be comfortable putting in it?
member
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Trezor,

I absolutely love mine... received it today! I've been playing around with it and moved my BTC from Armory to it.  So happy to have an easy transactable method of cold storage without having to wait for the blockchain to sync.  LOVE it!!  I am however looking forward to a downloadable wallet that will work with the Trezor.

Zohann
sr. member
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Looking into getting one of these but they are quite expensive when I could just use a cold wallet....but its so damn cool and sexy.

Problems arise when you are about to spend your so-called cold wallet.
hero member
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Looking into getting one of these but they are quite expensive when I could just use a cold wallet....but its so damn cool and sexy.
legendary
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This is the land of wolves now & you're not a wolf
my understanding is that you do not enter the seed as a string of words, but rather follow prompts from the mytrezor page such as:

Exactly. Old firmware (1.2.0 and older) used 50% fake words. New firmware (1.2.1+) always asks for 24 words (making it 12 fake words for 12-word mnemonic, 6 fake words for 18-word mnemonic and no fake words for 24-word mnemonic). And we also switched the default from 12 words to 24 words, so most of the people will not see the "fake words" feature anymore.

Without any fake word for 24-word mnemonic, the entropy is reduced from 256bits to only 79bits. This is not acceptable for long term storage

This is only in the scenario of seed recovery for a lost/stolen/broken Trezor.  Either don't lose your Trezor, or move your coins after the recovery process.

There is not reason why not adding most secure option for entering recovery seed directly in your trezor using only the two buttons. Even if it takes one hour to enter all 24 words using the two buttons, I would preffer to do it in this secure way.

I mean as another option, together with the current quick way to restore

Maybe later editions can come with a 10 digit keypad where you can enter passwords into it directly...
hero member
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my understanding is that you do not enter the seed as a string of words, but rather follow prompts from the mytrezor page such as:

Exactly. Old firmware (1.2.0 and older) used 50% fake words. New firmware (1.2.1+) always asks for 24 words (making it 12 fake words for 12-word mnemonic, 6 fake words for 18-word mnemonic and no fake words for 24-word mnemonic). And we also switched the default from 12 words to 24 words, so most of the people will not see the "fake words" feature anymore.

Without any fake word for 24-word mnemonic, the entropy is reduced from 256bits to only 79bits. This is not acceptable for long term storage

This is only in the scenario of seed recovery for a lost/stolen/broken Trezor.  Either don't lose your Trezor, or move your coins after the recovery process.

There is not reason why not adding most secure option for entering recovery seed directly in your trezor using only the two buttons. Even if it takes one hour to enter all 24 words using the two buttons, I would preffer to do it in this secure way.

I mean as another option, together with the current quick way to restore
legendary
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This is the land of wolves now & you're not a wolf
Hoping that my Trezor arrives today...I am anxious to try it out Smiley.   Will definitely report back here...  Shipping was much faster than I assumed it would be... I thought I would be waiting for at least a month...
newbie
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Hardware wallet wow thats cool didnt know you could have one of those.
hero member
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I would love there to be a way to setup and seed recover a Trezor with an offline air gaped computer. I doubt this can be done from the python command line scripts or else it would be in the manual. Even when electrum/etc support becomes available, it will not be to setup or recover a Trezor (at least initially)

Edit :
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2d36lb/is_the_trezor_seed_entropy_truly_and_provably/cjlmv90
And
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2d36lb/is_the_trezor_seed_entropy_truly_and_provably/cjmcjm4?context=3
full member
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my understanding is that you do not enter the seed as a string of words, but rather follow prompts from the mytrezor page such as:

Exactly. Old firmware (1.2.0 and older) used 50% fake words. New firmware (1.2.1+) always asks for 24 words (making it 12 fake words for 12-word mnemonic, 6 fake words for 18-word mnemonic and no fake words for 24-word mnemonic). And we also switched the default from 12 words to 24 words, so most of the people will not see the "fake words" feature anymore.

Without any fake word for 24-word mnemonic, the entropy is reduced from 256bits to only 79bits. This is not acceptable for long term storage

This is only in the scenario with seed recovery for a lost/stolen/broken Trezor.  Either don't lose your Trezor, or move your coins after the recovery process.

Unfortunately, this is also the scenario of people trying to be smart and generate their own entropy with dice. The problem is that they have no good way to import it in the device. Not recovering the device is something you can do if you trust the random number generators, which in general is not a good idea. But for now, I trust the mix of pc and hw rng much more then the recovery pc...
hero member
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my understanding is that you do not enter the seed as a string of words, but rather follow prompts from the mytrezor page such as:

Exactly. Old firmware (1.2.0 and older) used 50% fake words. New firmware (1.2.1+) always asks for 24 words (making it 12 fake words for 12-word mnemonic, 6 fake words for 18-word mnemonic and no fake words for 24-word mnemonic). And we also switched the default from 12 words to 24 words, so most of the people will not see the "fake words" feature anymore.

Without any fake word for 24-word mnemonic, the entropy is reduced from 256bits to only 79bits. This is not acceptable for long term storage

This is only in the scenario of seed recovery for a lost/stolen/broken Trezor.  Either don't lose your Trezor, or move your coins after the recovery process.
legendary
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my understanding is that you do not enter the seed as a string of words, but rather follow prompts from the mytrezor page such as:

Exactly. Old firmware (1.2.0 and older) used 50% fake words. New firmware (1.2.1+) always asks for 24 words (making it 12 fake words for 12-word mnemonic, 6 fake words for 18-word mnemonic and no fake words for 24-word mnemonic). And we also switched the default from 12 words to 24 words, so most of the people will not see the "fake words" feature anymore.

Without any fake word for 24-word mnemonic, the entropy is reduced from 256bits to only 79bits. This is not acceptable for long term storage
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A) Carrying TREZOR with 1000 BTC to internet cafes isn't probably a good idea because of the rubber-hose cryptoanalysis method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-hose_cryptanalysis) which is still possible Smiley

Anybody with BTC1000 can afford BTC0.2 for an extra trezor for pocket money.
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