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newbie
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Hello. I have a question about trezor U2F auth.

I used it today and i like it. However I saw "Save github key?" or something similar on trezor when connecting it to github.

So - will trezor device work with github auth after wiping and re-initializing it using same paper backup?

Lets say I set up github auth using trezor. Then I lost device, bought one more and re-initialized it with paper backup. Will it auth me as old lost device?

Restoring a seed on another TREZOR restores all the U2F keys too, as they are derived from one master key (and the seed). However, due to the design of U2F, some services might implement a counter that records the number of sign-ins. When recovering a seed, or cloning a TREZOR, this counter will be off and might have to be increased, in order for the recovered TREZOR to work successfully with a service. This is by U2F's design, unfortunately.

Relevant discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/TREZOR/comments/50h8r9/new_trezor_firmware_fidou2f_and_initial_ethereum/d74iw3b
legendary
Activity: 938
Merit: 1013
Hello. I have a question about trezor U2F auth.

I used it today and i like it. However I saw "Save github key?" or something similar on trezor when connecting it to github.

So - will trezor device work with github auth after wiping and re-initializing it using same paper backup?

Lets say I set up github auth using trezor. Then I lost device, bought one more and re-initialized it with paper backup. Will it auth me as old lost device?
legendary
Activity: 1281
Merit: 1000
☑ ♟ ☐ ♚
I noticed that the screen of my Trezor was so dim (almost black), it can't be used immediately after I received it. I contacted the Manufacturer and I send it back to Czech Republic by express mail on the 12th/SEP. It arrived on the 16th/SEP but they have not yet picked it up afaik.

It is weird that the customer has to cover the shipping cost back to the manufacturer when the product is clearly broken. Why should the customer pay any extra cost when you send broken hardware?  Angry Huh

Thank you for the notice. Last time we checked, there was no package in the Box yet, but today we will check again. Please rest assured that our support team is doing their best to cater to your requests.

The reason why the customer has to pay for the RMA shipping is to avoid fraud. After the device arrives and is investigated, if the fault was found to be a manufacturing error, then we will process the shipping reimbursement on an individual, case-by-case basis. A new device will be shipped to you too.

If you have further issues, please report them on the support channel; it will help us process your questions faster! Thank you Smiley

Fair enough, thank you!
newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
I noticed that the screen of my Trezor was so dim (almost black), it can't be used immediately after I received it. I contacted the Manufacturer and I send it back to Czech Republic by express mail on the 12th/SEP. It arrived on the 16th/SEP but they have not yet picked it up afaik.

It is weird that the customer has to cover the shipping cost back to the manufacturer when the product is clearly broken. Why should the customer pay any extra cost when you send broken hardware?  Angry Huh

Thank you for the notice. Last time we checked, there was no package in the Box yet, but today we will check again. Please rest assured that our support team is doing their best to cater to your requests.

The reason why the customer has to pay for the RMA shipping is to avoid fraud. After the device arrives and is investigated, if the fault was found to be a manufacturing error, then we will process the shipping reimbursement on an individual, case-by-case basis. A new device will be shipped to you too.

If you have further issues, please report them on the support channel; it will help us process your questions faster! Thank you Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1281
Merit: 1000
☑ ♟ ☐ ♚
I noticed that the screen of my Trezor was so dim (almost black), it can't be used immediately after I received it. I contacted the Manufacturer and I send it back to Czech Republic by express mail on the 12th/SEP. It arrived on the 16th/SEP but they have not yet picked it up afaik.

It is weird that the customer has to cover the shipping cost back to the manufacturer when the product is clearly broken. Why should the customer pay any extra cost when you send broken hardware?  Angry Huh
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1018
I have not been able to get my Trezor recognized by electrum or Multibit HD in Windows 10. I have updated firmware and trezor bridge. Strangly enough mytrezor.com works fine, but neither electrum or Multibit recognize the trezor at all, though I do hear the windows usb noise when I plug it in. Can anyone tell me how to get multibit hd to recognize it again, I really don't care about electrum.
Thanks

Latest Electrum 2.6.4 working fine with Trezor 1.4.0 here. You might want to uninstall the bridge and try Chrome with the Trezor extension instead.

Yes I can get Chrome and trezor working at mytrezor.com. But neither electrum or multibit hd will recognize my trezor, and I only use multibit hd. So need a fix, 3 months is a long time since this was known problem.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1164
I have not been able to get my Trezor recognized by electrum or Multibit HD in Windows 10. I have updated firmware and trezor bridge. Strangly enough mytrezor.com works fine, but neither electrum or Multibit recognize the trezor at all, though I do hear the windows usb noise when I plug it in. Can anyone tell me how to get multibit hd to recognize it again, I really don't care about electrum.
Thanks

Latest Electrum 2.6.4 working fine with Trezor 1.4.0 here. You might want to uninstall the bridge and try Chrome with the Trezor extension instead.
newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
I have not been able to get my Trezor recognized by electrum or Multibit HD in Windows 10. I have updated firmware and trezor bridge. Strangly enough mytrezor.com works fine, but neither electrum or Multibit recognize the trezor at all, though I do hear the windows usb noise when I plug it in. Can anyone tell me how to get multibit hd to recognize it again, I really don't care about electrum.
Thanks

I have found that my trezor is finicky about being utilized by multiple services. For example it will not work with electrum if I have mytrezor.com open. Your problem may be similar to this.
No I have tried them one at a time and on two different computers with nothing running. This is a known problem since June and Multibit and Trezor are both blaming each other and nobody is f@cking fixing it. Trezor should have never released a firmware upgrade without TESTING that it works on Multibit HD (and electrum). If it wasn't broke before, why break it and then leave the firmware. They should at least post a safe firmware downgrade to get it working in the meantime until the fix it. I really wonder what kind of engineers/devs they have, seems like a bunch of clowns, and that is not funny for devices being sold for $99 as the safest way to store your bitcoin. Yeah so safe you can't even get it yourself, lol.

Would be nice if you could at least be respectful to the devs, when complaining about bugs.

As you mentioned, it was an issue since 1.3.6. Not ours to fix, so it was not fixed with 1.4.0 either. Multibit actually has the patch ready, so we are all just waiting for its release.

EDIT: Please check out Multibit's comment on this: https://multibit.org/blog/2016/06/27/trezor-version-1.3.6.html

About testing, we test the FW against the apps we develop and can fix.



A separate thread should be made for this conversation. We are all guilty of going a little off topic but its getting out of hand Cheesy

Yes, sorry about that. I know it was not a direct personal "attack" but an observation of certain groups in general or the stereotype understandably. I could say something about bad apples or rotten ones, or of bushels, barrels, baskets or bins. I grew up learning that officers and gentlemen were respected and every time soldiers go home they get salutes and applause from the civilians, so I wanted to be one.

I was born in a comfortable family life, no one else in my demographic or socio-economic class has even thought of joining the military. The training was humbling. (I was often the target of the instructors, "who's dis dumb rich kid wants to work for minimum government wage and die at the front lines? die maggot die!") ... yep, they were all psychotic alright.


Trezor: would you suggest a white one or a black one? I'm from the dark side, so black looks cool to me.

Great and interesting talk! Feel free to join the new Telegram chat room on Trezor Wink https://telegram.me/trezortalk

Personally, I like white more, but I can see why black looks cool Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1018
I have not been able to get my Trezor recognized by electrum or Multibit HD in Windows 10. I have updated firmware and trezor bridge. Strangly enough mytrezor.com works fine, but neither electrum or Multibit recognize the trezor at all, though I do hear the windows usb noise when I plug it in. Can anyone tell me how to get multibit hd to recognize it again, I really don't care about electrum.
Thanks

I have found that my trezor is finicky about being utilized by multiple services. For example it will not work with electrum if I have mytrezor.com open. Your problem may be similar to this.
No I have tried them one at a time and on two different computers with nothing running. This is a known problem since June and Multibit and Trezor are both blaming each other and nobody is f@cking fixing it. Trezor should have never released a firmware upgrade without TESTING that it works on Multibit HD (and electrum). If it wasn't broke before, why break it and then leave the firmware. They should at least post a safe firmware downgrade to get it working in the meantime until the fix it. I really wonder what kind of engineers/devs they have, seems like a bunch of clowns, and that is not funny for devices being sold for $99 as the safest way to store your bitcoin. Yeah so safe you can't even get it yourself, lol.
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
I have not been able to get my Trezor recognized by electrum or Multibit HD in Windows 10. I have updated firmware and trezor bridge. Strangly enough mytrezor.com works fine, but neither electrum or Multibit recognize the trezor at all, though I do hear the windows usb noise when I plug it in. Can anyone tell me how to get multibit hd to recognize it again, I really don't care about electrum.
Thanks

I have found that my trezor is finicky about being utilized by multiple services. For example it will not work with electrum if I have mytrezor.com open. Your problem may be similar to this.
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1018
I have not been able to get my Trezor recognized by electrum or Multibit HD in Windows 10. I have updated firmware and trezor bridge. Strangly enough mytrezor.com works fine, but neither electrum or Multibit recognize the trezor at all, though I do hear the windows usb noise when I plug it in. Can anyone tell me how to get multibit hd to recognize it again, I really don't care about electrum.
Thanks
legendary
Activity: 3416
Merit: 1912
The Concierge of Crypto

A separate thread should be made for this conversation. We are all guilty of going a little off topic but its getting out of hand Cheesy

Yes, sorry about that. I know it was not a direct personal "attack" but an observation of certain groups in general or the stereotype understandably. I could say something about bad apples or rotten ones, or of bushels, barrels, baskets or bins. I grew up learning that officers and gentlemen were respected and every time soldiers go home they get salutes and applause from the civilians, so I wanted to be one.

I was born in a comfortable family life, no one else in my demographic or socio-economic class has even thought of joining the military. The training was humbling. (I was often the target of the instructors, "who's dis dumb rich kid wants to work for minimum government wage and die at the front lines? die maggot die!") ... yep, they were all psychotic alright.


Trezor: would you suggest a white one or a black one? I'm from the dark side, so black looks cool to me.
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217

A separate thread should be made for this conversation. We are all guilty of going a little off topic but its getting out of hand Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 3416
Merit: 1912
The Concierge of Crypto
The truth is that the most effective soldiers are on the high end of the psychopathy scale, to be capable of killing multiple times with no remorse. Those kind of people don't care who or why they're fighting, just that they are. And they'll fight anyone, for good, bad or indifferent reasons. It's the killing they enjoy, not the cause, and those people (and the command chain that backs their actions) are highly dangerous.

Now, if employing personal protection actually was an insurance product, maybe we wouldn't be talking about this, as the more unhinged types that bother me wouldn't be incentivised to get a job like that in the first place. This protection racket culture should be changed.

As for the banks, well that's why we're here (whether everyone realises that or not, lol). And I'm hearing more "that's just the way it is", which I understand isn't what Satoshi said. We should change it, because we can. For your kids, if not for you. Likewise, this protection racket culture should be changed too.

It's a good thing then that at the very top is a civilian (the President). What you say is indeed unfortunately true. Hopefully, these effective soldiers have leaders who have at least a minimum moral compass. There are a few good men who have both qualities, but the tendency is for these who survive their tours of duty to come out not adjusting to regular civilian life, or have PTSD. The smarter and stronger (willpower) ones can cope, but not all are like that.

I'm not in the protection racket for others. I'm in it for myself. I'm my own insurance product. If there is a clear and present danger to me or my family, I would not hesitate to use whatever means necessary in order to protect them. Some random stranger insulting me from the other side of the road tends to get ignored (and hopefully he finds someone else to bother.)

Banks, yes, I'm here for that too. I know what is, and what could be. But depending on what country or regime you are in, these things take time (which is another one of those things that just are the way they are.) For my immediate family, I tell them what is. Then I tell them what could be. And I advice them on how to combine what they want to be public, and what they want to keep private, and what are the disadvantages or advantages for any particular action, and if some merit ... if something is really free, or you become the product.

I watched a TED talk that was pretty recent, (dated a year or two ago) where the topic was we humans are the only species on this planet that has a "collective memory", where we can pass on some or most of what we learn in our life to the next generation; thus all the industrial and technological advancements we have seen these past hundred years. I'll teach (or try to) my offspring how to take care of their privacy.

I'd love to live in utopia. I'd like a world that isn't in fear (or in acceptance) of becoming 1984 "Orwellian". Maybe I'm not in the right job for that (I'm not full time in the military by the way, I'm in the reserve force, I'm a network engineer / IT manager for most of the week.) But where ever I am, I try to do a little part of what I believe is towards that goal. So while I may carry a badge and a gun, I put nails in wood to make chairs for classrooms. And we do the all-popular tree planting thing once every few years.

The fastest way is to rise to the top and enter politics and change the system when I win the election, but that's also not reality or close to it.

But my men (and women) are not loyal to any one person
They are not "yours" then, it would seem. It's a start - keep thinking about it - seriously - what follows from that observation?

Yes, you are correct. By "mine", I meant the individuals who are under my command in my unit. They usually follow orders that they understand or can make sense of, but if I instruct any of them to jump without reason (or to go kill this other person who is not obviously a bad guy) they might not do it. But since I work with professionals that are not combat oriented, they have other things to think about.


But we're going a little off-topic here. There have been several hardware wallets, I'm still undecided if I want to spend money on any of them. They're all beyond the point of sending out "review" units. (In the mining section, I got a few.)
legendary
Activity: 3920
Merit: 2349
Eadem mutata resurgo

Sounds like utopia Wink maybe one day we will get there Smiley I'd love to use my Trezor for everything too


Yea. You know how history always has funny visions about the future? And in reality it turns out things have progressed a lot except in weirder ways than people expected. Like how we got the iphone instead of the flying car. Its sort of just as amazing if you think about it but VERY few people predicted it when people were envisioning flying cars.

That is what cryptographically secure, open source, intuitively operated and widely adopted identity management will be like. It will be so much bigger than bitcoin. Bitcoin was just devices like these first killer app. The first application that was so blindingly obvious that it was on the margin for first ever reason for creating devices like these. However, the whole rest of the entire world economy yet awaits.

If we (or someone) can manage to foster adoption of this type of product more broadly in the economy, it really could really be a next level development for the species of man.

... imagine if we got chipped by the government that would perform every 'identity' related TX in our lives instead of having the choice of which 'Trezor' we could carry around and use.
legendary
Activity: 1450
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Cryptanalyst castrated by his government, 1952
But my men (and women) are not loyal to any one person

They are not "yours" then, it would seem. It's a start - keep thinking about it - seriously - what follows from that observation?




legendary
Activity: 3430
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Less concerned than I was.

The Yakuza story is interesting; they behaved no different to other government agencies: cynical and opportunistic (which, incidentally are the same qualities that drive their everyday life).

And I find the "sleeping soundly" thing interesting too. The problem is that the real world isn't so black and white, there are huge contingents of military men who behave exactly the way you characterise the police force as: without any moral compass. And that's a serious problem for the people they're supposed to be protecting. The truth is that the most effective soldiers are on the high end of the psychopathy scale, to be capable of killing multiple times with no remorse. Those kind of people don't care who or why they're fighting, just that they are. And they'll fight anyone, for good, bad or indifferent reasons. It's the killing they enjoy, not the cause, and those people (and the command chain that backs their actions) are highly dangerous.

Now, if employing personal protection actually was an insurance product, maybe we wouldn't be talking about this, as the more unhinged types that bother me wouldn't be incentivised to get a job like that in the first place. This protection racket culture should be changed.

As for the banks, well that's why we're here (whether everyone realises that or not, lol). And I'm hearing more "that's just the way it is", which I understand isn't what Satoshi said. We should change it, because we can. For your kids, if not for you. Likewise, this protection racket culture should be changed too.
legendary
Activity: 3416
Merit: 1912
The Concierge of Crypto
I heard a story about an earthquake in Japan, a few years ago. The first people to give aid were the Yakuza.

There's a saying that's popular in the "second amendment world", something like the sheep, the wolf, and the sheep dog. And another one, I've read two versions goes something like "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." Or "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

Don't really care who said it.

There are real dangers out there: criminals, rebels, insurgents, armed communists, terrorists. Government isn't perfect. But my men (and women) are not loyal to any one person, not even the President. They are loyal to the constitution and to the citizens. I can't say the same thing about our police, but they're still part of the government and we work with them sometimes.

And something about having insurance, because, that's what insurance is for. Fire extinguishers in every room although I don't expect my home to burn.

My attitudes reflect what is real in this world, not what I prefer it to be. To put it into perspective, I have two toddlers and the eldest one just entered what is called "Junior Kindergarten."

To paraphrase Meredith Brooks:

I'm a fighter, I'm a lover
I'm a child, I'm a father
I'm a bitcoin miner, ...

(okay, sorry, that doesn't seem to rhyme.)
legendary
Activity: 1722
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The military is not all violent. I work with doctors, engineers, nurses, dentists. We do dental, medical, and other kinds of civil-military operations, to the poorest people of many regions in my country.

As for the banks, they only know what I let them know about me, just enough for me to borrow what I need.

And I'm sure the mafia helps old ladies across the street sometimes too Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 3416
Merit: 1912
The Concierge of Crypto
The military is not all violent. I work with doctors, engineers, nurses, dentists. We do dental, medical, and other kinds of civil-military operations, to the poorest people of many regions in my country.

We build bridges, construct classrooms for public schools, and paint houses for homeless people.

As for the banks, they only know what I let them know about me, just enough for me to borrow what I need.

I may not agree with it, but that's the world we live in. I can't buy a car without going to a bank or some other financing company.
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