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Quote from: KTChampions on May 26, 2022, 01:19:53 PM

If you are making that item on a normal rank game then people would really be laughing at you but for a tournament or major then everything could really be done and this is where OG outshines

I've done many crazy stuff in pubs and that's for sure that your teammates will surely report you if you're doing some not meta items and strategies.

But when a pro player starts to do that, that will be the start of it on pub games and it's going to be just like normal thing since everyone is just following the pros and the metas they create.

I don't think ATF only do this on the pro scene. He is known as troll on pubs so maybe he already experimented that shit before he use it on Majors Finals. They have coach to watch there item build during the game so I doubt that Notail will allow it if ATF don't know the outcome of that newly build item to that particular hero.

Player on SEA is worst than that and they are also very good on thrash talk and blaming when lose with the crazy build.

I don't know.

I'm not tracking their pub games so yeah, there's a chance that he did it first on pubs and experimented it there and also possible on scrims that they've made against other teams.

A practice game.

It's really possible that he did it before but it's not shown through private practice games.

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In my opinion, such a bet is incredibly bad, since SKT1 is overvalued (IMHO, of course) and making a big bet for the sake of 18% profit is very unreasonable. I think that it is logical to bet on the outcomes of separate maps and, in case of loss, increase the bet. This is for SKT1 win strategy, it's hard to believe that they will lose 3-0.

I think I got used to seeing T1 having odds lower than 1.1 even in a bo5 that's why I said it's not that bad as the teams they faced in the LCK playoffs felt much more competitive compared to what G2 put out so far during the rumble stage. I agree with betting per map though as it's the best way to go whenever the drafting phase is finished.

Speaking of Dota, it's so interesting to see so many big teams making changes after the major. One of the interesting roster changes is QC picking up Leslao, MSS, and Fata.

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Quote from: ralle14 on May 26, 2022, 07:11:13 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on May 25, 2022, 01:49:26 PM

In my opinion, even EG is underestimated. It's still a team sport with some randomness, and I wouldn't risk betting on RNG for a 2 percent profit. As for the second pair, it also raises doubts - it seems that SKT1 will start the match with a handicap, but this is not so.

Looking at the match winner odds there's definitely not much value on the favorites but the total maps market is somewhat interesting as the over on RNG vs EG is at 2.50 while on the side of T1 vs G2 it's at 1.56 as I expect both series end in a 3-1 scoreline at the very minimum. Also, T1 to win @1.18 isn't that bad if you plan on taking the safest series winner pick and drop a big bet.

In my opinion, such a bet is incredibly bad, since SKT1 is overvalued (IMHO, of course) and making a big bet for the sake of 18% profit is very unreasonable. I think that it is logical to bet on the outcomes of separate maps and, in case of loss, increase the bet. This is for SKT1 win strategy, it's hard to believe that they will lose 3-0.

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If you are making that item on a normal rank game then people would really be laughing at you but for a tournament or major then everything could really be done and this is where OG outshines

I've done many crazy stuff in pubs and that's for sure that your teammates will surely report you if you're doing some not meta items and strategies.

But when a pro player starts to do that, that will be the start of it on pub games and it's going to be just like normal thing since everyone is just following the pros and the metas they create.

I don't think ATF only do this on the pro scene. He is known as troll on pubs so maybe he already experimented that shit before he use it on Majors Finals. They have coach to watch there item build during the game so I doubt that Notail will allow it if ATF don't know the outcome of that newly build item to that particular hero.

Player on SEA is worst than that and they are also very good on thrash talk and blaming when lose with the crazy build.

Notail's literally the advocate of "everything can work" mentality and that's what we're seeing here right now for Ammar. It's also clever to use that extra cast range against a Night Stalker when his 2nd skill is activated. He can still stun the guy on his dragon form and even chase some hero and still get the skill casted. He 'played' around with NS 2nd skill mechanic, and it helped them win engagements later on in the game.

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For the Dota 2 community there's recent news shows up that the upcoming event the international will be held in Singapore sure tons of players now waiting for this event to have a Battle pass and Gaben will celebrate again for this huge amount of price pool, of course, another favour to us there's a lot of games and matches we can make a good bet but still, the risk bet too because some of the teams have a close fight.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on May 26, 2022, 08:07:56 AM

If you are making that item on a normal rank game then people would really be laughing at you but for a tournament or major then everything could really be done and this is where OG outshines

I've done many crazy stuff in pubs and that's for sure that your teammates will surely report you if you're doing some not meta items and strategies.

But when a pro player starts to do that, that will be the start of it on pub games and it's going to be just like normal thing since everyone is just following the pros and the metas they create.

I don't think ATF only do this on the pro scene. He is known as troll on pubs so maybe he already experimented that shit before he use it on Majors Finals. They have coach to watch there item build during the game so I doubt that Notail will allow it if ATF don't know the outcome of that newly build item to that particular hero.

Player on SEA is worst than that and they are also very good on thrash talk and blaming when lose with the crazy build.

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No dates for the Dota Pro Circuit series next month but i still added them.

The dates for 3rd DPC will be on 6th June - 17th July. After the DPC ended, we will have PGL Arlington Major in Texas scheduled to be held on between 4th-14th August* ( no fixed date yet for the Major but it should be between 4th to 14th August ). Soon after that we'll have The International on October which will be held on Singapore. Thats pretty much the schedule for Dota this season, we might have few lower tier tournament along the way but yeah this is pretty much it

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I've updated the Calendar in the OP! June in going to be packed, specially mid-june which is when the good stuff in csgo and LoL starts. No dates for the Dota Pro Circuit series next month but i still added them.

Quote from: ralle14 on May 26, 2022, 07:11:13 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on May 25, 2022, 01:49:26 PM

In my opinion, even EG is underestimated. It's still a team sport with some randomness, and I wouldn't risk betting on RNG for a 2 percent profit. As for the second pair, it also raises doubts - it seems that SKT1 will start the match with a handicap, but this is not so.

Looking at the match winner odds there's definitely not much value on the favorites but the total maps market is somewhat interesting as the over on RNG vs EG is at 2.50 while on the side of T1 vs G2 it's at 1.56 as I expect both series end in a 3-1 scoreline at the very minimum. Also, T1 to win @1.18 isn't that bad if you plan on taking the safest series winner pick and drop a big bet.

my predictions: RNG are going to 3-0 NA, and G2 are going to put up a fight but T1 will win. I agree there's good value in T1 -1.5, but I'll be taking G2 +1.5 and probably over 4.5, maybe i'm delusional but i'm expecting a close series

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 25, 2022, 01:49:26 PM

In my opinion, even EG is underestimated. It's still a team sport with some randomness, and I wouldn't risk betting on RNG for a 2 percent profit. As for the second pair, it also raises doubts - it seems that SKT1 will start the match with a handicap, but this is not so.

Looking at the match winner odds there's definitely not much value on the favorites but the total maps market is somewhat interesting as the over on RNG vs EG is at 2.50 while on the side of T1 vs G2 it's at 1.56 as I expect both series end in a 3-1 scoreline at the very minimum. Also, T1 to win @1.18 isn't that bad if you plan on taking the safest series winner pick and drop a big bet.

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Quote from: ralle14 on May 24, 2022, 09:31:54 PM

If you are making that item on a normal rank game then people would really be laughing at you but for a tournament or major then everything could really be done and this is where OG outshines

I've done many crazy stuff in pubs and that's for sure that your teammates will surely report you if you're doing some not meta items and strategies.

But when a pro player starts to do that, that will be the start of it on pub games and it's going to be just like normal thing since everyone is just following the pros and the metas they create.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 24, 2022, 04:42:31 PM

So we have a couple of semi-finals in msi 2022 lol:

RNG - EG
T1 - G2

In the first pair, RNG is the favorite, and in the second, I find it difficult to make a choice, because even despite the good result of SKT1 in the second stage, G2 may well beat them in BO5. I think that in the first pair you can bet on a score of 3-0 or 3-1, and in the second pair at least watch one game and then make a decision.

For me, it's RNG on the first series then T1 on the second series. Even though T1 dropped a few games I still wouldn't doubt their firepower as they're able to beat RNG in their last game. G2 on the other hand looked on par with EG going 4-0 on their first four games then going 1-5 in the second half of the rumble stage. If G2 is at their best form they might force a game 5 against T1 but taking them down in a best of 5 seems unlikely.

I looked at the quotes and they pretty much surprised me:

RNG - EG 1,02 - 11,00

T1 - G2 1,19 - 4,40

In my opinion, even EG is underestimated. It's still a team sport with some randomness, and I wouldn't risk betting on RNG for a 2 percent profit. As for the second pair, it also raises doubts - it seems that SKT1 will start the match with a handicap, but this is not so.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on May 24, 2022, 09:59:53 AM

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Yeah, ATF is the man.

He's consistent but if you remember, he's being flamed on their game with Fnatic through tipping because he's very quick tempered and can lose focus if he's being tipped.

That's the mental game that Fnatic did but still they've lost. This new roster of OG got the guts and showed that there is something that everyone has to wait for with the upcoming TI on Singapore.

New Gen OG is something but of course it is because Notail is the coach and a former member ceb do really give out big impact or factor in overall but of course these kiddos could really make a good damn fight.

As for Ammar then this guy is good on versatile position and situational items just like on what he had done on DK with Aether lens and Forcestaff against TSM in finals
I agree that he's really that impulsive but for sure he would really get used to it.

Yeah, they got the real OG, I mean OG means original gangster that are kings that have won 2 TIs.

They've got unlimited coaching from these two and they're guided properly on how to become champions like the old roster does. That DK with a surprising build has got its purpose.

And as they say, even it is crazy but it is working, then it's not a problem. They're always playing unorthodoxed.

Actually this new team line up of the OG is the new version and new era of them, at the DK if Ammar i guess he do it purposely because seems like ceb is already shows as the position 3 because of the item he has with the line up of OG they made everyone has a item and can make an adjustment too because of the core line up and status that's why ammar the f makes the change of the item build as long he is still alive, give aoe stuns and make a dispel he can win the game well absolutely they win the game.

That was a situational item considering there's MK and NS which any of their core's would in trouble then he would definitely trying to save them as much as he could which i do see a very wise move on having that

kind of item.If you are making that item on a normal rank game then people would really be laughing at you but for a tournament or major then everything could really be done and this is where OG outshines

other teams which they could indeed play freely depending into their own plans in mind.

I can see that the public match now for sure there's a lot of spammer with this DK item as offlane and recently when I make a find match I see tons of players playing the Ceb position 5 windranger, this team OG never fails us to see different item and initiation, from the TI9 champion OG we saw a gyrocopter diffusal now we can see a DK with Aetherlens and Aeon disk

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So we have a couple of semi-finals in msi 2022 lol:

RNG - EG
T1 - G2

In the first pair, RNG is the favorite, and in the second, I find it difficult to make a choice, because even despite the good result of SKT1 in the second stage, G2 may well beat them in BO5. I think that in the first pair you can bet on a score of 3-0 or 3-1, and in the second pair at least watch one game and then make a decision.

For me, it's RNG on the first series then T1 on the second series. Even though T1 dropped a few games I still wouldn't doubt their firepower as they're able to beat RNG in their last game. G2 on the other hand looked on par with EG going 4-0 on their first four games then going 1-5 in the second half of the rumble stage. If G2 is at their best form they might force a game 5 against T1 but taking them down in a best of 5 seems unlikely.

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Yeah, ATF is the man.

He's consistent but if you remember, he's being flamed on their game with Fnatic through tipping because he's very quick tempered and can lose focus if he's being tipped.

That's the mental game that Fnatic did but still they've lost. This new roster of OG got the guts and showed that there is something that everyone has to wait for with the upcoming TI on Singapore.

New Gen OG is something but of course it is because Notail is the coach and a former member ceb do really give out big impact or factor in overall but of course these kiddos could really make a good damn fight.

As for Ammar then this guy is good on versatile position and situational items just like on what he had done on DK with Aether lens and Forcestaff against TSM in finals
I agree that he's really that impulsive but for sure he would really get used to it.

Yeah, they got the real OG, I mean OG means original gangster that are kings that have won 2 TIs.

They've got unlimited coaching from these two and they're guided properly on how to become champions like the old roster does. That DK with a surprising build has got its purpose.

And as they say, even it is crazy but it is working, then it's not a problem. They're always playing unorthodoxed.

Actually this new team line up of the OG is the new version and new era of them, at the DK if Ammar i guess he do it purposely because seems like ceb is already shows as the position 3 because of the item he has with the line up of OG they made everyone has a item and can make an adjustment too because of the core line up and status that's why ammar the f makes the change of the item build as long he is still alive, give aoe stuns and make a dispel he can win the game well absolutely they win the game.

That was a situational item considering there's MK and NS which any of their core's would in trouble then he would definitely trying to save them as much as he could which i do see a very wise move on having that

kind of item.If you are making that item on a normal rank game then people would really be laughing at you but for a tournament or major then everything could really be done and this is where OG outshines

other teams which they could indeed play freely depending into their own plans in mind.

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So we have a couple of semi-finals in msi 2022 lol:

RNG - EG
T1 - G2

In the first pair, RNG is the favorite, and in the second, I find it difficult to make a choice, because even despite the good result of SKT1 in the second stage, G2 may well beat them in BO5. I think that in the first pair you can bet on a score of 3-0 or 3-1, and in the second pair at least watch one game and then make a decision.

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Yeah, ATF is the man.

He's consistent but if you remember, he's being flamed on their game with Fnatic through tipping because he's very quick tempered and can lose focus if he's being tipped.

That's the mental game that Fnatic did but still they've lost. This new roster of OG got the guts and showed that there is something that everyone has to wait for with the upcoming TI on Singapore.

New Gen OG is something but of course it is because Notail is the coach and a former member ceb do really give out big impact or factor in overall but of course these kiddos could really make a good damn fight.

As for Ammar then this guy is good on versatile position and situational items just like on what he had done on DK with Aether lens and Forcestaff against TSM in finals
I agree that he's really that impulsive but for sure he would really get used to it.

Yeah, they got the real OG, I mean OG means original gangster that are kings that have won 2 TIs.

They've got unlimited coaching from these two and they're guided properly on how to become champions like the old roster does. That DK with a surprising build has got its purpose.

And as they say, even it is crazy but it is working, then it's not a problem. They're always playing unorthodoxed.

Actually this new team line up of the OG is the new version and new era of them, at the DK if Ammar i guess he do it purposely because seems like ceb is already shows as the position 3 because of the item he has with the line up of OG they made everyone has a item and can make an adjustment too because of the core line up and status that's why ammar the f makes the change of the item build as long he is still alive, give aoe stuns and make a dispel he can win the game well absolutely they win the game.

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