Topic: Estimated Hash Rates for the RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti - page 3. (Read 11447 times)
no one got the new gpu yet, to give us the results.
I think the RTX and tensor core is much faster to Xilinx fpga .
The Turing new cores are ASICS. Imagine someone write a miner to use Tensor and RTX cores. As a result it will be possible to mine while gaming with the Cuda cores. I bet some sophisticated miner will pop up soon in order to utilize the nvidia new marvel.
This is also what i have in mind with Tensor Cores. If someone could create and optimized Tensor cores for mining and also the speed of GDDR6, the possibility is the mining hashrate can be higher than past architectures. The sweet spot is at RTX2080 base on it's price/performance.
If Volta is used as reference, cryptonight v7 hashrate is still lower than Vega 56
The Turing new cores are ASICS. Imagine someone write a miner to use Tensor and RTX cores. As a result it will be possible to mine while gaming with the Cuda cores. I bet some sophisticated miner will pop up soon in order to utilize the nvidia new marvel.
Just wait for AMD Navi 7nm, that should force Nvidia to lower prices. For a possible 15-20% hashrate increase on current prices, dependent on electrical costs, ROI could be minimum or even negative. It's bear market right now and some coins are honestly thinking of moving away from PoW.
Is it technically possible to do any mining on the new ray tracing cores?
Was hoping to see a bit more solidity in the speculated stats for the new RTX 2080, especially since the Founders Edition is currently available on NVIDIA website for $799 as a pre-order, and all of the specs have been released. Will keep an eye out for more info, but I imagine these cards will be harder to find at first as time goes on, mainly because the two other editions are already sold out on NVIDIA website.
I am also seeing 11GB editions of this card on second and third party websites. I assume this 11GB version would be the one to get for ETH mining, as it will certainly remain relevant for much longer than 8GB versions (again, for ETH mining).
Anyway, thanks for all of the info so far, and please post any new info as it becomes available!
I am also seeing 11GB editions of this card on second and third party websites. I assume this 11GB version would be the one to get for ETH mining, as it will certainly remain relevant for much longer than 8GB versions (again, for ETH mining).
Anyway, thanks for all of the info so far, and please post any new info as it becomes available!
In my opinion, hashrate wil not be as simple to say.
1. More cuda
2. More memory bandwitch
3. faster clockrate
For me it`s seems to be better hash for less power/hashrate and more space in your rig.
IS it good for all of us?
We`ll see when cards comes for us
We just need them fast and lots of them.
1. More cuda
2. More memory bandwitch
3. faster clockrate
For me it`s seems to be better hash for less power/hashrate and more space in your rig.
IS it good for all of us?
We`ll see when cards comes for us
We just need them fast and lots of them.
Following,hope someone can get the first test card.....
ethlargement-pill it won't get near this hashrate.
devs of that program will probably sell a functionality to do the same as gtx 1080ti for rtx 2080ti owners, i dont think they will release it publicly like they did for the gtx 1080 owners.
linustechtips gets this card one of the first, likely.
but he rarely test card in mining
I will try to ask him for some results
but he rarely test card in mining
I will try to ask him for some results
It's definitely possible that the new RTX cards could have poor memory latency (trrd, tfaw) settings for ethash mining use. After all, we already have existing examples of this: eg. the GTX 1080 with it's 320 GB/s memory bandwidth has a theoretical zero-latency hashrate of around ~39 MH/s, but without something like the ethlargement-pill it won't get near this hashrate.
So the idea is that the new RTX cards, with their much higher memory bandwidths, would allow for the higher ethash hashrates (as computed from the bandwidths), either in stock form assuming they are not "crippled with non-mining-friendly" latency settings, or with some equivalent of the eth-pill.
As for the CUDA core count and it's effect on ethash rates, if you download the source of ethminer and modify the "dagger_shuffled.cu" file so that instead of loading DAG entries from global memory it loads it from a structure in shared memory (ie. just to test what the cores are capable of hashing at assuming memory latencies which are comparable to the L1 cache of the device), you'll find that even something like a GTX 1060, which would normally hash at 20+ MH/s , will now be capable of 50+ MH/s with the latencies of the shared memory instead of the much slower global memory on the device. So even a device with just the core count of a GTX 1060 can achieve a much higher hashrate if it had memory with much lower latencies.
So it's possible that even with just the 20% increase in core count in the new RTX cards, _if_ it has mining-friendly latency settings (or we get an equivalent of an eth-pill), the new cards might be capable of hashing as fast as their theoretical memory bandwidths would allow.
So the idea is that the new RTX cards, with their much higher memory bandwidths, would allow for the higher ethash hashrates (as computed from the bandwidths), either in stock form assuming they are not "crippled with non-mining-friendly" latency settings, or with some equivalent of the eth-pill.
As for the CUDA core count and it's effect on ethash rates, if you download the source of ethminer and modify the "dagger_shuffled.cu" file so that instead of loading DAG entries from global memory it loads it from a structure in shared memory (ie. just to test what the cores are capable of hashing at assuming memory latencies which are comparable to the L1 cache of the device), you'll find that even something like a GTX 1060, which would normally hash at 20+ MH/s , will now be capable of 50+ MH/s with the latencies of the shared memory instead of the much slower global memory on the device. So even a device with just the core count of a GTX 1060 can achieve a much higher hashrate if it had memory with much lower latencies.
So it's possible that even with just the 20% increase in core count in the new RTX cards, _if_ it has mining-friendly latency settings (or we get an equivalent of an eth-pill), the new cards might be capable of hashing as fast as their theoretical memory bandwidths would allow.
Following... Once you guys get your hands on some cards please post your results here. Would love to see the comparisons. That is a lot of money per gpu so it will have to be killing the numbers to justify the cost.
If you compare the number of CUDA cores than you will see only 20% of the difference. I don’t think that memory in these cards is much faster than in GTX1000 series. That’s why I think that RTX 2070 will give 36-40 mh for Ether mining.
150 MH/s on ETH would require a memory bandwidth of around ~1.2 TB/s (terabytes per sec), the announced memory specs for the RTX 2080Ti of 11 GB at 14 Gbps would mean a bandwidth of around 616 GB/s for a single 2080Ti. So it looks more likely that the theoretical, zero-latency hashrate would be around ~75 MH/s.
Maybe in another algo and not Ethash, assuming the algo can make use of the paralllel issue of INT32 and FP32 instructions in Turing's CUDA cores (cf. to what was introduced with Volta), as well as an algo that needs to do matrix multiplations and thus use the Tensor cores. For example: Bytom's Tensority algo would benefit from the new architecture since it can use 3 features: INT8 DP4A instructions (assuming Turing still retains this from Pascal), WMMA (warp matrix multiply accumulate) using Tensor cores, and parallel issue INT32 and FP32 (since Tensority uses 8-bit values as input in it's matrices and thus can use the FP32 to multiply 8-bit values in parallel with INT8 DP4A on the INT32 cores). Not sure if it would triple it vs. a 1080Ti though, need to test it first.
The Groestl hash function also has a matrix multiply function in it so maybe it might benefit from the Tensor cores. Not sure though since I've only really tested CUDA kernels for Ethash and Tensority.
Maybe in another algo and not Ethash, assuming the algo can make use of the paralllel issue of INT32 and FP32 instructions in Turing's CUDA cores (cf. to what was introduced with Volta), as well as an algo that needs to do matrix multiplations and thus use the Tensor cores. For example: Bytom's Tensority algo would benefit from the new architecture since it can use 3 features: INT8 DP4A instructions (assuming Turing still retains this from Pascal), WMMA (warp matrix multiply accumulate) using Tensor cores, and parallel issue INT32 and FP32 (since Tensority uses 8-bit values as input in it's matrices and thus can use the FP32 to multiply 8-bit values in parallel with INT8 DP4A on the INT32 cores). Not sure if it would triple it vs. a 1080Ti though, need to test it first.
The Groestl hash function also has a matrix multiply function in it so maybe it might benefit from the Tensor cores. Not sure though since I've only really tested CUDA kernels for Ethash and Tensority.
A. Ethereum is already pretty much ASIC resistant. The E3 mines at 190 MH/S at 760W. Not surprising that a machine that can mine only 1 algorithm marginally beats a 2 year old gaming graphics card that is half the price.
B. The CEO's comments on mining sales have nothing to do with hashrates of the new cards. Even if the 2080ti tripled the performance of of the 1080ti I doubt many miners would be buying. His point was that with altcoin prices and the availability of cheap GPUs on eBay, it doesn't make sense currently for miners to purchase new cards.
C. Miners aren't Nvidia's largest customers by a long shot.
B. The CEO's comments on mining sales have nothing to do with hashrates of the new cards. Even if the 2080ti tripled the performance of of the 1080ti I doubt many miners would be buying. His point was that with altcoin prices and the availability of cheap GPUs on eBay, it doesn't make sense currently for miners to purchase new cards.
C. Miners aren't Nvidia's largest customers by a long shot.
If the 2080Ti trippled the performance of the 1080ti ( in mining that is ), I would be liquidating all my GPUs and prepare to upgrade to 2080tis, as used 1080ti still sell for $550 on ebay, and the 2080ti will be priced around $1100.
I guess we will see how many GPUs Nvidia sells when Miners are no longer interested.
If 2080Ti hypothetically mines at 150MH/s for around $1,100, then I do think is a game-changer.
A. Ethereum is already pretty much ASIC resistant. The E3 mines at 190 MH/S at 760W. Not surprising that a machine that can mine only 1 algorithm marginally beats a 2 year old gaming graphics card that is half the price.
B. The CEO's comments on mining sales have nothing to do with hashrates of the new cards. Even if the 2080ti tripled the performance of of the 1080ti I doubt many miners would be buying. His point was that with altcoin prices and the availability of cheap GPUs on eBay, it doesn't make sense currently for miners to purchase new cards.
C. Miners aren't Nvidia's largest customers by a long shot.
B. The CEO's comments on mining sales have nothing to do with hashrates of the new cards. Even if the 2080ti tripled the performance of of the 1080ti I doubt many miners would be buying. His point was that with altcoin prices and the availability of cheap GPUs on eBay, it doesn't make sense currently for miners to purchase new cards.
C. Miners aren't Nvidia's largest customers by a long shot.
If the 2080Ti trippled the performance of the 1080ti ( in mining that is ), I would be liquidating all my GPUs and prepare to upgrade to 2080tis, as used 1080ti still sell for $550 on ebay, and the 2080ti will be priced around $1100.
I guess we will see how many GPUs Nvidia sells when Miners are no longer interested.
so. to be honest. no one really knows so these cards are currently looking way overpriced?
For mining in the current economy yes, especially considering the founders editions are more expensive than msrp. If there is a resurgence in altcoins though these will be flying off the shelf.
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