Topic: Estimated Hash Rates for the RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti - page 4. (Read 11505 times)
so. to be honest. no one really knows so these cards are currently looking way overpriced?
Buriedone a youtuber has a breakdown of each 20 series card for eth hashrates at the end of his stream of the nvidia promo event of these cards.
From what I saw the 2080ti was taking a huge core speed hit, something like 1500MHz range. If that's true I don't think core-bound mining will see any speedup at all at this rate.
Who cares about hashrate for eth now. Just get an E3 miner if you want to mine ethash coins. People bought it for $800 for 195 h/s.
The various discussions on the theoretical ETH hashrate for the new cards have generally been based on the memory bus width and memory data pin speed used on the different cards thus giving the memory bandwidth, then dividing by 8192 bytes (since each ETH hash will sample 8K bytes of the DAG).
So, in theory, the zero-latency hashrates would be computed as:
bus width (in bits) = memory capacity (in GB) * 32
data pin speed = 14 Gbp/s (if assumed same memory as used in Quadro RTX series)
bandwidth (in GB/s) = bus width / 8 * data pin speed
zero-latency hashrate (in MH/s) = bandwidth / 8192 * 1000
For example, using the leaked specs from AdoredTV's video on YT:
2080 Ti with 11 GB GDDR6 at 14 Gbp/s - memory bus width: 352 bit, memory bandwidth: 616 GB/s, hashrate: ~75 MH/s
2080 with 8 GB at 14 Gbp/s - bus width: 256 bit, bandwidth: 448 GB/s, hashrate: ~55 MH/s
2070 with 7 GB at 14 Gbp/s - bus width: 224 bit, bandwidth: 392 GB/s, hashrate: ~48 MH/s
2060 with 5 GB at 14 Gbp/s - bus width: 160 bit, bandwidth: 280 GB/s, hashrate: ~34 MH/s
(If you have different specs for the cards for memory capacity and memory speed, eg. 2070 with 8GB at 16 GB/s, just use them in the formulas and recompute)
This is all assuming the cards are not "gimped" out-of-the-box with "poor" latency (trrd, tfaw) settings for mining use (ie. similar to what was the case with out-of-the-box 1080s and 1080TIs with their GDDR5X).
So, in theory, the zero-latency hashrates would be computed as:
bus width (in bits) = memory capacity (in GB) * 32
data pin speed = 14 Gbp/s (if assumed same memory as used in Quadro RTX series)
bandwidth (in GB/s) = bus width / 8 * data pin speed
zero-latency hashrate (in MH/s) = bandwidth / 8192 * 1000
For example, using the leaked specs from AdoredTV's video on YT:
2080 Ti with 11 GB GDDR6 at 14 Gbp/s - memory bus width: 352 bit, memory bandwidth: 616 GB/s, hashrate: ~75 MH/s
2080 with 8 GB at 14 Gbp/s - bus width: 256 bit, bandwidth: 448 GB/s, hashrate: ~55 MH/s
2070 with 7 GB at 14 Gbp/s - bus width: 224 bit, bandwidth: 392 GB/s, hashrate: ~48 MH/s
2060 with 5 GB at 14 Gbp/s - bus width: 160 bit, bandwidth: 280 GB/s, hashrate: ~34 MH/s
(If you have different specs for the cards for memory capacity and memory speed, eg. 2070 with 8GB at 16 GB/s, just use them in the formulas and recompute)
This is all assuming the cards are not "gimped" out-of-the-box with "poor" latency (trrd, tfaw) settings for mining use (ie. similar to what was the case with out-of-the-box 1080s and 1080TIs with their GDDR5X).
can you provide eth hashrate ?
Sorry the firewall on my server is a little thick.
Here is the article
Even though the estimates are all over the place we an make some predictions based on performance of past models.
What determines hash rate?
There are three things that mainly determine hash rates. Core Count, Clock Speed, and Memory Speed. Different Algos require different things. Coins like Ethereum are Memory instensive, meaning that Memory Speed makes the biggest difference in its performance. Hence the reason a GTX 1070 hashes almost as fast as a GTX 1080 Ti. But most other coins depend more on Core Count, and Clock Speed. For the purpose of this discussion we are going to focus on the later, since Ethereum has become a saturated coin with little to no profits for miners.
Nvidia GPUs Compared
If we assume that core counts can be used to determine hashing rates for future cards we get the below chart
This is going by data from Whattomine.com
We are not including any improvements due to the GDDR6 Memory, or Clock speeds and or overclocks. This also ignores energy expelled when mining. The above figures are also on the low side, as recent Software miners have been known to be up to 30% faster than the numbers above. Example The miner I use gets a consistent 20 Mh/s on X16R running on a GTX 1080 Ti.
Hash Rates for Ethereum
Considering that memory speed and latency has such a huge impact on hashing ETH, and we do not know the specs of the memory going into the new cards other than they are GDDR6, we have no way to calculate the speed increase. Even though we can make comparisons to cards like the Titan V ( 12GB HMB2 ) which does ETH at 79 Mh/s, that is HMB2, and not GDDR6. However if use Total bandwidth to make these calculcations with the 1080 Ti at 484 GB/s and the Titan V at 652 GB/s we start to get ratios that represent the increase in hash rate for ETH. The 2080 Ti with 384 bit GDDR6 has a theoretical speed of 864 GB/s which is 32% faster than HMB2, means we should be looking at ETH speeds around 104 Mh/s. But we have to take into account the Titan V has 5120 Cores vs the 4352 Cores of the 2080 Ti. Which is a 17 Increase. So lets take 17% off that hash rate to get us a card that should hash ETH at about 86 MH/s.
However thanks to the Enlargementpill a 1080 Ti can hit speeds of 55 MH/s on ETH. ( Which sells used for under $550 on ebay )
and the 1070 Ti can hit speeds of 31 MH/s on ETH ( which sells for under $350 on ebay )
If the 2080 Ti can hit 86 MH/s that is a 56% increase over the 1080 Ti, and a 177% in crease over the 1070 Ti.
By those figures For Ethereum Mining the 2080 Ti might actually be a better value than buying a used 1080 Ti off ebay.
However as we all know the ASIC miners are likely to start taking over ETH coins, so buying a 2080 Ti for ETH mining would be risky.
If I was the CEO of Nvidia I would be trying to bribe the developers at Ethereum to tweak their coin to stay ASIC resistent, and help keep sales going of their GPUs.
Its not like anyone in the mining community would be against such a move.
Its better to focus on other ALT coins.
Is the 2080 Ti worth the money for mining?
Probably not. Remember you can score used GTX 1080 Tis on ebay for about $550. While the RTX 2080 Ti will likely sell for about $750 when it hits shelves. That is a 33% price increase. Yet the estimated hash rates will likely only be about 20% increase over the previous generation. To be on equal ground with the previous generation Nvidia would have to price their RTZ 2080 Ti at $665, and that price has to include all taxes and fees, Remember almost nobody is paying tax for cards on Ebay.
The fact that Nvidia's CEO outright said that sales to miners will be almost Zero, indicates that they already know the hashrates of the new cards, and they are disappointing. Nvidia has also announced the discontinued production of mining specific cards. Which indicates that miners had no interest in buying up cards that had no resale value to gamers in the event that Crypto crashed.
The Good news
Many people have been liquidating their GPUs in anticipation of the 2080 and 2080 Ti. For gamers this makes sense, but for miners this is pure speculation that the new cards would hash much faster then current gen. Once its realized that the hashing increase of 2080 / 2080 Ti is not going to be that great, prices of used GTX 1080 Tis should increase. Its the same reason people don't run out and build mining Rigs with Titan V cards. The cost is too high and the ROI is not worth the premium paid for the hardware.
The Bad news for Nvidia
Nvidia who for the past year was in denial to investors of how big a portion of their business miners were. Is about to see what happens to their stock price when their biggest customer (miners) suddenly stop buying their products. On top of that most of us all bought our GPUs around January of this year, and they have a 3 year warranty on them. So Nvidia gets to deal with Millions of RMAs that are bound to head their way over the next 2 years as Miners continue to burn up cards.
Here is the article
Even though the estimates are all over the place we an make some predictions based on performance of past models.
What determines hash rate?
There are three things that mainly determine hash rates. Core Count, Clock Speed, and Memory Speed. Different Algos require different things. Coins like Ethereum are Memory instensive, meaning that Memory Speed makes the biggest difference in its performance. Hence the reason a GTX 1070 hashes almost as fast as a GTX 1080 Ti. But most other coins depend more on Core Count, and Clock Speed. For the purpose of this discussion we are going to focus on the later, since Ethereum has become a saturated coin with little to no profits for miners.
Nvidia GPUs Compared
If we assume that core counts can be used to determine hashing rates for future cards we get the below chart
| GPU | GTX 1060 | GTX 1080 | GTX 1080 Ti | RTX 2080 | RTX 2080 Ti |
| Core Count | 1280 | 2560 | 3584 | 2944 | 4352 |
| Clock Speed | 1708 Mhz | 1733 Mhz | 1582 Mhz | ?? | ?? |
| Memory and Type | 6GB GDDR5 | 8GB GDDR5X | 11GB GDDR5X | 8GB GDDR6 | 11GB GDDR6 |
| Hash Rates | 15% More | 21% More | |||
| X16R | 5 Mh/s | 10.5 Mh/s | 15Mh/s | 12.0 Mh/s | 18.1 Mh/s |
| Lyra2z | 1.1 Mh/s | 2.2 Mh/s | 3.0 Mh/s | 2.5 Mh/s | 3.6 Mh/s |
| Lyra2REv2 | 20.3 Mh/s | 46.5 Mh/s | 64 Mh/s | 53.4 Mh/s | 77 Mh/s |
| Phi2 | 2.3 Mh/s | 4.3 Mh/s | 6.0 Mh/s | 4.9 Mh/s | 7.2 Mh/s |
This is going by data from Whattomine.com
We are not including any improvements due to the GDDR6 Memory, or Clock speeds and or overclocks. This also ignores energy expelled when mining. The above figures are also on the low side, as recent Software miners have been known to be up to 30% faster than the numbers above. Example The miner I use gets a consistent 20 Mh/s on X16R running on a GTX 1080 Ti.
Hash Rates for Ethereum
Considering that memory speed and latency has such a huge impact on hashing ETH, and we do not know the specs of the memory going into the new cards other than they are GDDR6, we have no way to calculate the speed increase. Even though we can make comparisons to cards like the Titan V ( 12GB HMB2 ) which does ETH at 79 Mh/s, that is HMB2, and not GDDR6. However if use Total bandwidth to make these calculcations with the 1080 Ti at 484 GB/s and the Titan V at 652 GB/s we start to get ratios that represent the increase in hash rate for ETH. The 2080 Ti with 384 bit GDDR6 has a theoretical speed of 864 GB/s which is 32% faster than HMB2, means we should be looking at ETH speeds around 104 Mh/s. But we have to take into account the Titan V has 5120 Cores vs the 4352 Cores of the 2080 Ti. Which is a 17 Increase. So lets take 17% off that hash rate to get us a card that should hash ETH at about 86 MH/s.
However thanks to the Enlargementpill a 1080 Ti can hit speeds of 55 MH/s on ETH. ( Which sells used for under $550 on ebay )
and the 1070 Ti can hit speeds of 31 MH/s on ETH ( which sells for under $350 on ebay )
If the 2080 Ti can hit 86 MH/s that is a 56% increase over the 1080 Ti, and a 177% in crease over the 1070 Ti.
By those figures For Ethereum Mining the 2080 Ti might actually be a better value than buying a used 1080 Ti off ebay.
However as we all know the ASIC miners are likely to start taking over ETH coins, so buying a 2080 Ti for ETH mining would be risky.
If I was the CEO of Nvidia I would be trying to bribe the developers at Ethereum to tweak their coin to stay ASIC resistent, and help keep sales going of their GPUs.
Its not like anyone in the mining community would be against such a move.
Its better to focus on other ALT coins.
Is the 2080 Ti worth the money for mining?
Probably not. Remember you can score used GTX 1080 Tis on ebay for about $550. While the RTX 2080 Ti will likely sell for about $750 when it hits shelves. That is a 33% price increase. Yet the estimated hash rates will likely only be about 20% increase over the previous generation. To be on equal ground with the previous generation Nvidia would have to price their RTZ 2080 Ti at $665, and that price has to include all taxes and fees, Remember almost nobody is paying tax for cards on Ebay.
The fact that Nvidia's CEO outright said that sales to miners will be almost Zero, indicates that they already know the hashrates of the new cards, and they are disappointing. Nvidia has also announced the discontinued production of mining specific cards. Which indicates that miners had no interest in buying up cards that had no resale value to gamers in the event that Crypto crashed.
The Good news
Many people have been liquidating their GPUs in anticipation of the 2080 and 2080 Ti. For gamers this makes sense, but for miners this is pure speculation that the new cards would hash much faster then current gen. Once its realized that the hashing increase of 2080 / 2080 Ti is not going to be that great, prices of used GTX 1080 Tis should increase. Its the same reason people don't run out and build mining Rigs with Titan V cards. The cost is too high and the ROI is not worth the premium paid for the hardware.
The Bad news for Nvidia
Nvidia who for the past year was in denial to investors of how big a portion of their business miners were. Is about to see what happens to their stock price when their biggest customer (miners) suddenly stop buying their products. On top of that most of us all bought our GPUs around January of this year, and they have a 3 year warranty on them. So Nvidia gets to deal with Millions of RMAs that are bound to head their way over the next 2 years as Miners continue to burn up cards.
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You can post your comparison here too if you want and that will be much appreciated.
You can post your comparison here too if you want and that will be much appreciated.
I have done a little comparison of the hash rates for current cards to what the next generation might do.
How fast will the Nvidia 2080 1180 Hash Crypto Currencies
Granted I am focusing more on ALGOs that are Core and clock intensive and not Memory ALGOs like ETH.
How fast will the Nvidia 2080 1180 Hash Crypto Currencies
Granted I am focusing more on ALGOs that are Core and clock intensive and not Memory ALGOs like ETH.
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