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Russia has been attacking Ukraine to the limit of its military capabilities for about two and a half years now. But its military successes are negligible compared to the losses it suffers in human and material resources. Despite the fact that Putin is still throwing out threats and ultimatums, I am absolutely sure that if he knew how the course of this war would continue, he would never have attacked Ukraine. But in this situation, he can no longer retreat, because he fears for his position and his life. Military forces around the world are watching this war because this war is already very much a drone war. Large warships, tanks and other formidable, expensive military vehicles turned out to be almost powerless against relatively cheap drones, the use of which has already proven its effectiveness in the air, on land and at sea. We can say that this is the first war of complex technical devices controlled by humans at a distance. And Ukraine has achieved good results in this.

In recent years, all of us have seen and felt on our own bodies how quickly the climate on our planet is changing and what dangers this threatens us with. Scientists have long warned humanity about this. But this is how a person works: if he does not see it directly and really, then he will not do anything. The situation has already become directly catastrophic and this will push us very sharply to switch to alternative energy sources. Oil and gas can become raw materials for the chemical industry and will be used less and less as a direct source of energy. I think that soon it will be enshrined in international norms. Therefore, Russia will lose its current advantage in the energy sector.

USA is pretty advanced when it comes to green energy. I don't know where to do you get your info from.
This isn't about "green energy vs. conventional energy". It's about energy diversification. China is developing green energy, but they still use lots of oil and coal. The same thing applies to USA. I highly doubt that China and USA are going to get rid of oil and coal in the next decades.
What do you mean by "if Russia wins"? If Russia wins the war in Ukraine? The development of green power plants around the world has nothing to do with the outcome of the war in Ukraine. The EU isn't ally with China, the EU is dependent of China, because China has lots of raw materials for solar panels and China is a major manufacturer of solar panels.

I'll give you my opinion. It's not about ecology. Ecology is the subject of a separate, big conversation. There are a lot of fantasies, a lot of manipulations, etc....
The problem with LIMITED hydrocarbon reserves is that they become a tool for blackmail, manipulation, and other very bad things. Alternative energy has no points of "exclusivity" and therefore it gives freedom and security to the economy of most countries. It is very easy to simulate a situation when the opponents of the free world, for example, conclude a treaty and stop oil production and sales for 12 months (yes, it sounds fantastic for many reasons, but it is possible to imagine). What would be the result ? From total collapse of economies of many countries, to internal huge discontent, which will be taken advantage of by not the best people....
Alternative energy - has no such "failure points" - no one can stop the wind, sunlight, tides, .....
So for me alternative energy is no longer about ecology, it is more about world economy and security !

There is no need for China to seize all of Russia by force. It is Russia that is accustomed to solving almost all issues by force and coercion. This, of course, requires a very large number of police and army soldiers. Modern China in relation to Russia will most likely act by economic methods in which the population of Russia itself will voluntarily cooperate with China and the Chinese, since it will be economically beneficial for them. Why conquer by force a backward Russia with conditions of life and life, if this can be done almost completely peacefully, demonstrating that in alliance with China, the citizens of Russia will live better?

Green energy is the way to go for the future and considering how terrible our weather is doing and how climate is at all time worst situation, that is a proof that we are getting to a point where we just can't do anything too make it better anymore.

Literally on the verge of irreversible damage and we still don't care, I do not know why we do not care, I do not know why "it will get better" mindset is winning, I do not care the main reason why they haven't stopped everything and focused on this, but one thing is known, we are going to live in desert like places where water levels rising caused a lot of floods and there are no water sources which will make half of population dead, and the other starving or thirsty at all times.

The great advantage of alternative energy (hydroelectric power plants, solar energy, wind farms, tidal power plants, etc.) is that this technology actually cannot be monopolized and MANIPULATED for the benefit of any group. Components for these solutions are produced by many countries, with different technologies and different resource requirements. But oil and gas, for example, can be blackmailed ("we will raise the price, deliberately"), or economic terror can be committed ("we'll raise the price").

I am not sure what sources you use but every official link i can google says that main source for green energy is hydropower. While Solar could offer a lot it isn't used for the reasons you provided. Panels need cleaning and they break easily. Even wind farms are providing way more energy than solar, and those wind power stations are increasing rapidly.

They think Ukraine looks weak because of their innocence but they are wrong. This country fought even though they know that Russia is strong. What made them more encouraged to defend their country is that the world is supporting them. The US and the NATO only did a punishment towards Russia in the form of sanction.

It's normal when some countries do an inappropriate act to the other like what Russia did. They are not taking an advantage there. The act did by Russia seems like a blessing in disguise as you said. Another benefit of using an alternative energy is that they also cost less. The only downside is they are not that reliable.

In today's world with concern of oil shortage, everyone is moving towards green energy and every country is looking alternatives for oil. The world is moving towards Green energy is often referred to as clean, sustainable, or renewable energy. While Russia and U.S.A fighting over oil meanwhile China is increasing solar capacity.  China's solar capacity is now 228 gigawatts (GW), more than the rest of the world combined, according to Global Energy Monitor. I always appreciate this when several country started shift their focus on green energy, which is part of the Sustainable Development Goals.

I'll adjust your view of the situation a bit.

If I agree about the EU and China, especially the EU, I disagree about the US and Russia.
Here's the thing - oil is not a critical resource for the US - they have been selling it and will continue to sell it, and if demand decreases, nothing critical for the economy and business will happen.
But for Russia, it is a critical resource that forms almost half of the country's budget revenues. Oil and Gas - this is what Russia's economy was based on. In today's situation, Russia is doing its best to push the oil market up at least somehow. The reason is banal - supplies to the EU have decreased by 90% and will soon become invisible. There is nowhere to sell gas, as the gas transportation system is not flexible and backward.
The only thing left is to sell oil somehow. China and India buy oil at huge discounts, which means that the income from oil and gas tends to 0.... That is why we see what is happening - attempts to artificially raise the price, create an artificial frenzy and increase demand.

Real confirmation of the fact that there are very few combat-ready troops left in Russia itself, because almost all of them are at war in Ukraine, are raids on the border regions of Russia by the Russian Volunteer Corps (RDC) and the Svoboda Legion, which almost unhindered captured a number of border with Ukraine Russian settlements. In addition, the "campaign of justice" of the Wagnerites against Moscow on June 23-24 also showed this. They left the territory of Ukraine, passed Rostov, Voronezh, and other regions of Russia, destroyed seven helicopters and one aircraft of the Russian Air Force along the way, and turned back 200 kilometers from Moscow. At this time, near Moscow, they began to hastily collect barrage detachments from the remnants of the police and military, who were on vacation. If desired, the Wagnerites, led by Prigogine, could well then seize Moscow and arrange a military coup in Russia.

Russia has made its own choice. No one forced her to attack Ukraine. The Kremlin hoped to capture Ukraine quickly, in a few days, even before the world came to its senses and did something in response. But the Ukrainians broke the Kremlin's plans with their stubborn resistance, and the United States and the NATO alliance as a whole successfully took advantage of this. The hands of the Ukrainians are now destroying the military power of the Russian "second army of the world", as well as sharply weakening its economy and increasing isolation from the outside world.
The war unleashed by Russia will accelerate the transition of many countries to alternative energy sources and help to somehow avoid the consequences of abrupt climate change on our planet.

Honestly, I don't know what you're saying. Do you have any proof for what you say? or just because you're on the side of the Ukrainian army, you spread baseless bullshit. I don't live in Russia, but as far as I know, Russia is dominating Ukraine. Another thing is Russia is the biggest nuclear power in the world, and China or any other country that intends to attack Russia is the stupidest thing they will do. And why should they go to war when China is reaping so many benefits from doing business with Russia?

It is hardly worth agreeing with your opinion. Almost the entire combat-ready army of Russia perished on the territory of Ukraine. That is, the military experience of the Russians was very short-term. In Russia, they continue to mobilize those who do not have combat experience into the army, and they are almost immediately thrown into the assault on the fortified positions of the Ukrainians, where they die ingloriously. Now the opinion is being expressed that two or three brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine may well be on Moscow and capture it. After all, there are no longer any significant military formations in Russia itself. That is why the Kremlin is now demanding a truce through the mouths of Lukashenka, Orban and other assistants.
China, with its population of almost one and a half billion people, can easily capture the whole of Russia without any problems. But China has the opportunity to do this not by military means, but by purely economic means. Apparently, the bet is already being made on this option.

The Russian attack on Georgia lasted only five days. Russian tanks stopped 30 kilometers from the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, and then turned back, although Russian troops had the opportunity and most likely the intention to occupy all of Georgia. The reason why Russia changed its mind about seizing Georgia was a call from their US administration to the Kremlin, in which it was stated that if Russia does not urgently withdraw its troops from Georgia now, then American ships and aircraft will approach the borders of Georgia, and then enter the war on side of Georgia.
But the reaction of other states to this aggression was very weak, so after a while the Kremlin decided to go on the offensive against its other neighbors.

Yes, I know that memorandum and I know that words lose their meaning over time. You have to think wisely, it's written on paper and looks nice but it doesn't mean that it's actually a letter of guarantee, it's just formal. When time comes, everyone forgets their promises.

That fact is the reason of why Russia waged a war against Ukraine. Russia doesn't want NATO near to its borders.
Sweden and Finland is really a headache for Russia but these countries are different case. Btw Putin stated that if NATO troops will be placed in these countries, then Russia will have a bad reaction.

I don't deny that his wish is to rebuild Soviet Union but can you please answer me, why didn't Russia conquer Georgia back in 2008? Or after that? They only occupied 20% of Georgia. Georgia is post soviet-union country that turned into a pro-western country that wants to join EU and NATO. It has borders with Russia. This gives me a reason to say that they don't want NATO troops near their borders and it's their number one priority at the moment.

You are clearly distorting facts and events. Ukraine did not pose a military threat to Russia. Let me remind you that on December 5, 1994, the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Great Britain and the United States signed a memorandum on providing Ukraine with security guarantees in connection with its renunciation of the third largest nuclear potential and acquiring the status of a non-nuclear state. Since Ukraine did not see a military threat from other states, its armed forces were significantly reduced.

The fact that Ukraine has expressed a desire to become a member of NATO cannot be regarded as an enemy for Russia. This is just a far-fetched reason for military aggression by Putin and nothing more. After all, Russia had not previously attacked the Baltic countries - Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia due to the fact that they joined NATO and thus NATO became at the borders of Russia. Russia is also not going to attack Sweden and Finland because of their decision last year to join NATO. Why such selectivity in the object of aggression?

The actual reasons for the attack on Ukraine by Russia were different, and this is not a threat from Ukraine. Putin imagined himself a great conqueror and collector of the lands of the collapsed USSR. The next ones would be Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, and then the rest of Georgia, the states of Central Asia, and so on. But Putin's plans fell through in Ukraine.

Ukranian military isn't strong itself, they are strong because America and Europe helps them with better equipment and training. Russia is not as developed as western countries, in absolutely every aspect. Russia plays mind games, they aren't the best but they pretend to be to make apply psychological pressure on enemy.

I have heard that too. I don't know whether that's true or not but I think that too much dictatorship and fear pushes people to lie more and instead of telling the truth to dictator, these people are telling him what he wants to hear from them.
Maybe everything is clear for Putin and he just plays mind games, who knows.

In this situation, in any case, Russia itself is to blame, not the United States. After all, Russia attacked Ukraine, and not vice versa. If Russia had not done such a stupid thing, it would still now continue to boast of its military power so much that all NATO members were afraid of it. The United States, of course, took advantage of the situation, helped Ukraine and did not allow Russia to capture it. But after all, it was necessary to calculate everything in advance, and not use impudence, as Putin did. And now almost nothing can be changed. The Russian army was defeated, and the mobilization of 300,000 people did not help Putin either. Russia is now sorely lacking in heavy military equipment and ammunition, trying to beg all over the world.
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To be honest, attack from their side is understandable. When your enemy comes near to your borders, any country that is capable to do so, would do what Russia did. But here is a thing that is often ignored in conversations. Russia is a country with low standards of living and this country wants to conquer another country. When the citizen of Ukraine sees that Russia can't take care of itself and improve life inside, what kind of benefit can Ukraine expect by joining Russia? But USA and Europe (EU countries), on another hand, are very well-developed countries with high standard of living. If these countries conquer Ukraine, for example, Ukraine loses nothing but gains American or EU culture and high standard of life similar to theirs.

In this situation, in any case, Russia itself is to blame, not the United States. After all, Russia attacked Ukraine, and not vice versa. If Russia had not done such a stupid thing, it would still now continue to boast of its military power so much that all NATO members were afraid of it. The United States, of course, took advantage of the situation, helped Ukraine and did not allow Russia to capture it. But after all, it was necessary to calculate everything in advance, and not use impudence, as Putin did. And now almost nothing can be changed. The Russian army was defeated, and the mobilization of 300,000 people did not help Putin either. Russia is now sorely lacking in heavy military equipment and ammunition, trying to beg all over the world.