Topic: Eu Cina vs USA russia oil vs Green energy - page 2. (Read 528 times)

In my opinion, even China will not be able to capture all of Russia. 

First, the Chinese army has no combat experience.  In practice, the Chinese army may prove to be an ineffective structure (even taking into account its large numbers). 

At one time (until February 24, 2024), I listened to Strelkov-Girkin's arguments about how he planned to annex the territory of Ukraine to Russia.  And I understood from his words that in order to manage and control such a large territory, a lot of people are needed - soldiers, policemen, etc. 

And this is subject to the complete destruction of the regular army. 

And in order to capture and control such a vast territory as Russia, such a huge army of security forces is needed, which even China does not have. 

By the way, this is one of the reasons why foreign intervention against the young Russian Republic at the beginning of the 20th century failed.

I believe that it is obvious, the Kremlin underestimate the Ukrainian military and overestimated their own capabilities to win a war in weeks or less.
Actually, I have seen some news on YT which allegedly claim that people close to Putin have heard him say that he recognizes the lack of preparation of their troops, but he is glad they are discovering such flaw while them being the invaders and not the victims of a invasion.

Quite surreal, if you ask me. 

Let us see what happens in the future after this official visit of the Chinese Leader in Moscow..

Here I will add that Russia itself "stirred up" a topic that, for example, in the post-war world, it was not customary to touch - it is the borders of states. And the First Russia again began the seizure of "new", supposedly "its historical" territories. And if you studied the history of the relationship between Moscow/USSR/RF and China, you know that approximately 25% of the territory of modern Russia can be attributed to such "historically Chinese"
But China is not a primitive "gopnik" (marginalized petty criminal), China always uses more thoughtful and far-sighted moves.
On the one hand, he can easily capture ALL of Russia very easily. On the other hand, then the "pet dog of Beijing" will disappear, which will carry out all the most idiotic orders, considering it to be China's support. Such a scarecrow for the West will disappear. It's like North Korea for the USA - they could have changed the government there a long time ago - but then there will be no one left to scare Congress and receive budgets for the military industry
Also, China needs Russia to be extremely intact but as weakened as possible - then it will be an ideal "slave of Beijing" - it will obey any order, Beijing's hands will be clean, if anything - it is possible to demonstratively punish the Kremlin's puppets. That is why Beijing's plan to regulate today's situation is essentially a "conflict freeze" with the goal of saving Russia from splitting into parts (due to external or internal factors)

Russia is not a powerful state. I think it's clear for everyone how old their technique is and how their aim to conquer Ukraine in max three days has failed. One year has passed and they still aren't able to conquer Ukraine, which means, nothing is going according to their plans. They were bluffing all the time, they strength was their shadow and a nuclear weapon but it's something no one wants to happen also.

Life in China sucks, life in Russia sucks. Life in Western countries is good, that's why everyone wants to join western world and that's why USSR wasn't letting people to leave its borders and that's why China cencors everything and closed its country. They don't want to see people how life looks outside, because then there will be a protest.
These two countries can join each-other and then destroy each-other with their own plans and ambitions.
Russia shouldn't forget that Germany is going to rebuild its military and China shouldn't forget that Japan is on the West side.
This Russian-Ukrainian conflict won't end up well and it's very, very bad.

I agree with you, it is still too early for China and the EU to beat America and Russia in terms of energy sources, in general they have great power and many countries need energy sources and these two countries contribute greatly as oil energy suppliers, so it is still far to be able to overtake or even replace the main energy source to become alternative energy like this green energy, but to become a rival in the future does not rule out there will be intense competition between the two, all of them are countries that have great power in this regard.

This is a really interesting turn of events in the field of green energy development. The economic development of the UAE is determined by large oil production, which provides the majority of government revenues and almost all foreign exchange earnings. Thanks to the accelerated development of the oil and gas industry, the UAE has achieved the highest average annual income per capita of the indigenous population among the states of the Arabian Peninsula. This state, most likely, unlike Russia, also relies on the development of technologies that will ensure the further development of this country. A very wise decision. After all, oil and gas can be used not only as a fuel, but also as a raw material for many industries.

A neighbor like China is generally a very big challenge for Russia.... 

China has a very large population and a developed dynamic economy.  Having such a neighbor, one must conduct a very adequate foreign policy and maintain good relations with all other states. 

Practice shows that states cannot be divided into large and small, important and unimportant.  Snobbery and pride will not lead to good. 

I had to communicate with the Poles, historically they are not very fond of Russians, but the attitude towards you immediately changes if you talk to them politely, using the word "pan".  Politeness costs nothing to a polite person, but often saves him from trouble. 

A small country like Poland or Lithuania can cause huge trouble even to a superpower. 

Therefore, it is necessary to build partnerships with all countries, then China will not be a potential threat.

Before Xi Jinping's visit to Moscow, the Chinese Ministry of Resources issued amazing maps. On them, a huge part of Russian territories is designated as "historical territories of China", and the names of cities and geographical objects are replaced with historical Chinese ones.
Although after the warrant for the arrest of the war criminal Putin, this may break, but the "bell" is very strong!
China just needs a greatly weakened Russia, its territories and its population. Primarily women of childbearing age. You probably know that in China there is a rather complicated and specific situation, and they need women of childbearing age. Residents of Russia, who are massively losing their husbands from the degradation of life and using them as "cannon fodder" in the war in Ukraine, are perfect for this role.
Read about the problem of declining population growth in China, and the prospects for this process, as well as trends in new URBAN Chinese families, which now account for more than 60% of all in the country ... China always looks to the future, and the distant one, and for him the loss of population growth is almost synonymous with the "death of the empire."

https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-64868325
https://www.svoboda.org/a/malo-rybok-v-prudu-v-kitaye-zamedlilsya-rost-naseleniya/31288866.html

Russia has already concentrated about 95 percent of its troops in the occupied part of Ukraine, which has significantly weakened the defense of its own territory. The predominant mobilization for the war in Ukraine not from the central, but from remote areas of Russia, where they now receive the largest number of coffins from the war for Putin's imperial ambitions, causes great discontent among the population, and a liberation war from the oppression of the central government is brewing there. Of course, all states are watching this situation and the weakening of Russia, and especially those that still have territorial claims against Russia, especially Japan and China. China has already released a map with the former Chinese names of the cities of Siberia and the Far East, which previously belonged to China. At the most convenient moment, China will return its territories without much resistance from the Russian side. Today's Russia, it seems, will soon be torn apart.

USA would not let an oil producing country grow
They did it with Iraq and Iran and now with Russia - Since Russia is a powerful state they did it the other way.

I would say that Europe is mostly gaining energy independence from Russia, besides an acceleration towards the transition towards clean/green energy.
What do you mean exactly when you say Europe is gaining credibility from all this situation going on? Wasn't Europe credible enough before?

If you read or hear the news that most countries started to set goals of having zero carbon emissions by the set year. Including China as well. But It will happen in the next decade or even a couple of decades ahead.

But for now, they will fight for the energy like from the past of century. and what we can do for now is save energy as much as possible. good to us and good for the planet

This sounds like half of the story to me.

Europe is losing cheap energy, true. But it is also winning independence the price of which can't yet be fully known.

But what is it gaining? It is gaining credibility! That can't be converted into any currency, that is true. But as a citizen, I would love my administration to have principles and base lines that they live up to. This is what is happening.

This is true, although people aim to create and use green energy, it also has many limitations and I believe it will never replace the current energy source. My country has built a lot of large windmills to generate wind energy, but in recent years they have found that blocking the direction of the wind creates a lot of weather instability that affects crops, is expensive to maintain...and they started dismantling it all.

Yes, but with a few caveats.
1. Yes, China, "thanks" to the fact that Russia "shot itself in the foot", showing the whole world its fakeness in everything (from the economy to the quality of weapons and the army), let China into the bipolar world. And China no longer mentions Russia when it talks about a bipolar world. In his vision - in such a world there are 2 superstates - the USA and China, and the rest - should listen to them.
2. On the other hand, the total loss of Russia, for China, carries reputational and situational risks. China is very unhappy that Russia, with its terrorist attack on Ukraine, rallied the WEST, actually resurrected NATO, and restarted the military industry of the West.
That is why China now needs to weaken the forces of Russia as much as possible. Although Russia is an appendage of China, it can still provide some danger to China. Therefore, China comes forward with its "peace initiative", and they will offer to create support for Ukraine, sit down at the negotiating table, negotiate, and, well, obey China. Otherwise - the collapse, the total collapse of Russia - is very close. And then China will lose both the "guinea pig", and the "raw material appendage", and the puppet through which China can influence the international arena

Nuclear energy is one of the most efficient forms of energy there is with modern nuclear technology but the climate change radicals sometimes don't consider that to be a viable option for whatever reason.

EV's aren't part of the solution for clean energy consumption because of the raw materials needed to manufacture batteries and the fact that EV's are charged through fossil fuels. EV's just give people a temporary solution to a problem they've created. These people have not even considered whether electrical grids could handle the strain that EV's would introduce either.

If they were serious, they'd adopt nuclear energy.

It gets China in a good position militarily too, and might've decreased their chances of having an unstable boarder with Russia that doesn't favour them.

There were reports a lot of the "trained" Russian troops that have been mobalised to Ukraine have come from it's previous biggest militarised area (the border between it and China). It might serve as a reason for China to keep watching Russia become weak until a point they can either start taking land or resources at an even greater extent than they have been already.

It is easier said than done! Green energy is highly costly to set up so it needs a substantial upfront investment. Also, it is not very cost-effective for a highly populated country like China. EU can make it happen due to the small population and higher per capita income, but for countries like China, it's a distant dream unless they figure out a way to reduce the upfront investment to generate green energy.

As per some reports, US holds the highest oil reserve in the world, even bigger than Venezuela, Saudi, and Russia put together.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-has-the-worlds-largest-oil-reserves-2016-7?IR=T

These are just hidden by the US government for now. Probably a long-term gameplan to maintain world dominance.

If you put it that way, it is easier to see. China may the only one who is indirectly benefiting from this messy situation.
The United States is sending billions of dollars in equipment to Ukraine.
Europe is losing cheap energy and struggling to transition, since need to go faster than expected.
Russia is getting sanctions and losing their soldiers.
Ukraine is losing soldiers as well and civilians.

China is getting cheap gas/oil, they just need to take care of their usual rivalry with USA.

This is one reason why China isn't only mad about the war I suppose. They don't want a nuclear war, that is for sure, but if this war weakens other countries and even Russia, that helps China to get into an even better position for negotiations. The more isolated Russia gets in the global economy, the cheaper can China get energy from Russia. The incentives all those different countries have are so complex especially in situations of war that it sometimes is hard to understand who wants what the most. In this case though I think China is already planning with sufficient resources from Russia.